Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[duhmetreE]

So no plan at all. Cool


You want to acquire an NHL defenseman for a late pick? You want a Caribbean island for Christmas as well?

I literally just mentioned 3 things that could be done to get him out of the lineup

 

[bleedblue94]

I literally just mentioned 3 things that could be done to get him out of the lineup

What were my questions that you replied to? You literally didn't answer either one.

 

[McRanger92]

There’s a gaping hole at 3C and top 4 D, now that Mika is a RW. Cap rising, lots of teams looking to deal. I foresee buying opportunities galore.

 

[Fitzy]

The answers are actually pretty straightforward.

You can trade junk for a real crummy rental and hope it's better than Lindgren.

Or you can trade a piece of two with real value (Othmann, for example) for an actual valuable blueliner.

For now, let's see what Brannstrom has. I don't think he's a solution but we might as well experiment with him.

I think NYR need a top LHD, but I think you're looking at Othmann, Fortescue, Berard as a starting package for someone actually good.

NYR will probably have to keep one of Berard/Sykora, but it's hard to envision both.

 

[duhmetreE]

What were my questions that you replied to? You literally didn't answer either one.

You said who I’m replacing him with.

1. Schneider.
2. Vaak and insert Brannstrom
3. Trade.

 

[NYR Viper]

What were my questions that you replied to? You literally didn't answer either one.

There are options out there. Here’s one:

Detroit likely would not mind moving on from Gustafsson. He hasn’t fit in there. The team and coaching staff know him well. One more year at $2m cap hit.

He’d be a major upgrade on Lindgren, cost little, and would be around next year as insurance.

The answers are actually pretty straightforward.

You can trade junk for a real crummy rental and hope it's better than Lindgren.

Or you can trade a piece of two with real value (Othmann, for example) for an actual valuable blueliner.

For now, let's see what Brannstrom has. I don't think he's a solution but we might as well experiment with him.

I think NYR need a top LHD, but I think you're looking at Othmann, Fortescue, Berard as a starting package for someone actually good.

I also think that the guy to fit there is Gavrikov anyways. And that’s an offseason move.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Name me the #6 dman better than lindgren. Im not asking complicated questions here


Name them. You guys keep avoiding naming someone

Basically every single UFA defenseman who has signed the last 3 years if you want someone who is better than the current Lindgren.

If you want just strictly last year? here are the guys with an AAV equal to (or lower, I'm not throwing guys like Skjei Roy and Montour into this mix though I would have ditched Lindgren and made the extra room for Roy, he's good.)

Walker
Dillon
Schmidt
Gustafsson (who we had)
Tanev (Who is signed to an EQUAL AAV.)


In the past few years we've seen guys like Ekholm, Sergachev and Chychrun (twice) get traded. I'm sure I'm blanking on someone else (EK too, but thats a massive salary.)

The point isn't getting a #6, those guys are EASY to find.

The point is to stop having someone who is a 8 on a contender playing next to Fox. That was something that should have been solved when Lindgren was still top 6 worthy. It's absurd that it's still a sore spot when he isn't worthy of being in an every game rotation, let alone in the top 4.

This exercise holds if you want to go back to the last 2 seasons as well.

 

[bleedblue94]

There are options out there. Here’s one:

Detroit likely would not mind moving on from Gustafsson. He hasn’t fit in there. The team and coaching staff know him well. One more year at $2m cap hit.

He’d be a major upgrade on Lindgren, cost little, and would be around next year as insurance.

Gusto was a nightmare here you can say what you want about lindgren but gusto was a nightmare on the 3rd pair...

9 teams in 6 years

How is this a real suggestion.

 

[McRanger92]

There are options out there. Here’s one:

Detroit likely would not mind moving on from Gustafsson. He hasn’t fit in there. The team and coaching staff know him well. One more year at $2m cap hit.

He’d be a major upgrade on Lindgren, cost little, and would be around next year as insurance.



I also think that the guy to fit there is Gavrikov anyways. And that’s an offseason move.

I think a trade for Gus makes a ton of sense. He was good when paired with Fox at times Last year

 

[NYR Viper]

Gusto was a nightmare here you can say what you want about lindgren but gusto was a nightmare on the 3rd pair...

How is this a real suggestion.

I don’t know what to tell you. He’s significantly better than Lindgren. That’s how bad Lindgren is.

 

[McRanger92]

Gusto was a nightmare here you can say what you want about lindgren but gusto was a nightmare on the 3rd pair...

How is this a real suggestion.

Thought Gus was solid last year. Good puck ,over and shooter. Can skate and didnt shy away from contact. Id take him back in a second for 2X2

 

[duhmetreE]

Name me the #6 dman better than lindgren. Im not asking complicated questions here


Name them. You guys keep avoiding naming someone

Who can be better than this? A lot.

 

[NYR Viper]

I think a trade for Gus makes a ton of sense. He was good when paired with Fix at times Last year

I’m honestly at the point where I’d try Vaak there

 

[duhmetreE]

I’m honestly at the point where I’d try Vaak there

That makes the most sense. And give Brannstrom a look

But they’re not scratching Warrior leader

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They could also just play Jones and re-arrange the pairs they have.

I'm not saying that they should play him with Fox (though he'd be a better option than Lindgren because he can at least push the puck forward and before anyone hits me with the DURR defense Lindgren sucks at defense too) but they have in house options that while far from ideal, would be better than what they're running right now/.

 

[McRanger92]

I’m honestly at the point where I’d try Vaak there

Brannstrom wasnt acquired by accident. Lindgren's days are numbered imo. They still do need to eventually upgrade that top 4 position next to Fox.

 

[bleedblue94]

I don’t know what to tell you. He’s significantly better than Lindgren. That’s how bad Lindgren is.

You're remember what you want about gusto. He was absolutely horrible after the luster wore off. People here were acting like nyr was smarter than everyone else and ignored his history of bouncing around. He's not good. Lindgren is not good, but one is not good as a 1 pair guy that your top d wants to play with. The other is not good as a 3rd pair guy that really can't play defense even against 3rd liners. Gusto still can't find an org that wants to keep him multiple years at this point.

9 teams in 6 years, figure it out...

 

[McRanger92]

They could also just play Jones and re-arrange the pairs they have.

I'm not saying that they should play him with Fox (though he'd be a better option than Lindgren because he can at least push the puck forward and before anyone hits me with the DURR defense Lindgren sucks at defense too) but they have in house options that while far from ideal, would be better than what they're running right now/.

Lindgren should be an ex-Ranger by Wednesday's game against the Bruins. Whether it's for a couple picks or a rental, I do not care. Everyones making moves before the torunament.

 

[NYR Viper]

You're remember what you want about gusto. He was absolutely horrible after the luster wore off. People here were acting like nyr was smarter than everyone else and ignored his history of bouncing around. He's not good. Lindgren is not good, but one is not good as a 1 pair guy that your top d wants to play with. The other is not good as a 3rd pair guy that really can't play defense even against 3rd liners. Gusto still can't find an org that wants to keep him multiple years at this point.

9 years in a row on a different team, figure it out...

I think that’s the point. Gustafsson is still an improvement, by a wide margin, on Lindgren

 

[bleedblue94]

I’m honestly at the point where I’d try Vaak there

And if he could manage that than you just need a partner for Schneider which is much more manageable to find.

But the org needs to have a legit asset they are willing to trade for d. Even a bad d is worth a 2nd rounder, nyr doesn't have a 2nd until 2045

 

[McRanger92]

And if he could manage that than you just need a partner for Schneider which is much more manageable to find.

But the org needs to have a legit asset they are willing to trade for d. Even a bad d is worth a 2nd rounder, nyr doesn't have a 2nd until 2045

If Mika is going to look like this at RW that's a game changer. I wouldnt be opposed to trading a young wing like Berard or Othmann for an upgrade on Lindgren. I envision Cuylle and Perreault as future top 6ers so they'd be untouchable.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Ian Cole

For the record, for what Lindgren makes, they could sign a 4/5 guy pretty easily. That’s the rub. Lindgren is going to get 3-4m on his next deal and it’s likely to be 3-5 years.



Trade Reilly Smith and Ryan Lindgren for picks.

Use a late pick to find the right d-man, can be a LD or RD. Schneider can play either side

Lindgren is on a 1 year deal. So youd prefer cole on a 1 year deal. This is now a silly convo

 

[zlev]

You're remember what you want about gusto. He was absolutely horrible after the luster wore off. People here were acting like nyr was smarter than everyone else and ignored his history of bouncing around. He's not good. Lindgren is not good, but one is not good as a 1 pair guy that your top d wants to play with. The other is not good as a 3rd pair guy that really can't play defense even against 3rd liners. Gusto still can't find an org that wants to keep him multiple years at this point.

9 years in a row on a different team, figure it out...

i've never seen someone so arrogant yet so incredibly wrong about everything in my 25 years of posting on message boards. congrats bro.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Basically every single UFA defenseman who has signed the last 3 years if you want someone who is better than the current Lindgren.

If you want just strictly last year? here are the guys with an AAV equal to (or lower, I'm not throwing guys like Skjei Roy and Montour into this mix though I would have ditched Lindgren and made the extra room for Roy, he's good.)

Walker
Dillon
Schmidt
Gustafsson (who we had)
Tanev (Who is signed to an EQUAL AAV.)


In the past few years we've seen guys like Ekholm, Sergachev and Chychrun (twice) get traded. I'm sure I'm blanking on someone else (EK too, but thats a massive salary.)

The point isn't getting a #6, those guys are EASY to find.

The point is to stop having someone who is a 8 on a contender playing next to Fox. That was something that should have been solved when Lindgren was still top 6 worthy. It's absurd that it's still a sore spot when he isn't worthy of being in an every game rotation, let alone in the top 4.

This exercise holds if you want to go back to the last 2 seasons as well.

U realize lindy is on a 1 year deal right? You want 35 year old tanev on 6 X $4.5? LOL. Thank god drury is gm and not you

 

[bleedblue94]

@zlev you love you some Erik Gustafson?

i've never seen someone so arrogant yet so incredibly wrong about everything in my 25 years of posting on message boards. congrats bro.

So wrong? Wrong about what? Literally everything that people have been giving me grief about this season I have been right about. (Trouba, locker room, the quit, the deals, Mika moving to the wing, Miller, go on) Main media was coming forward with the stuff literally weeks after I posted it here but okay dude

And I'm not defending lindgren, he's been bad. I'm laughing at the idea that gusto is better. It's all good zlev, you do you and try to be smart.

Not one person has advocated for resigning lindgren. I literally asked someone else who is replacing him right now and what are you trading for that replacement. The answers are comical