Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[HockeyBasedNYC]

You should consider the fact that an unprotected pick is much less valuable now than it was a few years ago given the current lottery rules where you can't move up more than 10 spots, nobody outside of the top 11 can get the 1st pick, and they only lotto off picks 1-2 instead of 1-2-3.

The sequence of events that would require giving up a top 5 pick next year is incredibly unlikely since it basically would mean making (or just bubbling out on) the playoffs this year, and then either completely falling apart to becoming a bottom 5 team or once again being a bubble team and hitting like a 2% chance to move up,

Well this is news to me. I was thinking it was the old lottery system and didnt know there were changes. This does make me feel better about things. With Igor in net it would have to be an epic collapse or several injuries for Pitt to draft in the top 5 in 26 that wouldve been the Rangers.

I still dont take back the part about Drury and co. being smug and overconfident though lol

Is it bleached with a managed healthy diet passing through for the DD Boys?

Not bleached but healthy

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Inside the J.T. Miller trade: After 3 years, how the Rangers finally got their guy

If you take the long view, all the way back to February of 2022, then J.T. Miller to the New York Rangers appears inevitable.

www.nytimes.com

Arthur going on again about how this room/core was "low-maintenance" before the Goodrow/Trouba jettisonings and how Drury screwed the pysche of the team.

Drury didnt handle it great but this is largely the same core who has pretty much gone through 4 coaches (almost 5) and refused to do some uncomfortable things in the playoffs to win series like the one against the Devils they pissed away under Gallant.

They brought in players like Goodrow, Trocheck and now JT to try and turn the culture. If it didnt need turning or tweaking than you cant say they were a low maintenance group.

The more I think of it the quicker they rid themselves of the bromance the better. I feel like they are the crux of the attitude problem with this club. Hopefully this deal is an indication of that and not just the 3rd iteration of a band-aid.

 

[Overcast]

Miller is enough of a dick that he's going to start affecting the bffs. He will break up some of the bromances. Drury brought him in here knowing full well what Miller is. Drury isn't trying to change Miller, he's trying to change the room...

Ding ding ding. JT Miller wasn't brought in this season as a "We're going to win the Cup this season" move. It was to change the landscape of the NYR locker room. I'm all for that.

 

[Savant]

I actually think the Bruins and Rangers are good trade partners because Bruins aren’t going to want a full scale rebuild either. They are going to want a dreaded retool. Zadarov has not worked out for them. Zadarov for Kreider kind of helps both teams? Both have lost value this season

 

[lakeshirts37]

Bread and JT seem to be gelling…Need to find them a long term RW. If so, this is a really solid top9. Fix the defense (send Lindgren to Mars) and were cooking with gas.

Panarin - Miller - XXX
Cuylle - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Kreider - Mika - Smith

I actually think the Bruins and Rangers are good trade partners because Bruins aren’t going to want a full scale rebuild either. They are going to want a dreaded retool. Zadarov has not worked out for them. Zadarov for Kreider kind of helps both teams? Both have lost value this season

Absolutely not to Zadarov. I dont hate Kreider for Frederic and a 1st but a little scared of Frederics next contract

 

[Savant]

Absolutely not to Zadarov. I dont hate Kreider for Frederic and a 1st but a little scared of Frederics next contract

Very tough to find a match in Kreider deal. Very tough to find a LHD that would be acceptable for what this team is building. Zadarov the closest as of now. Still digging though. We are not going to get some like small puck mover guy. I don't know that we get Frederic for him now, let alone Frederic AND a 1st. Kreider has played himself away from that. Might still do it straight up. Also kind of wondering if there is a weird Kreider for Marchand deal in the ether, but again Kreider is probably their best route to get the LHD they need. I would still think about trying to do Zibanejad for Skjei/S. Jones/etc , but that's obviously complicated. Rangers probably need to find a bad contract swap and get lucky

 

[CommaSynapse]

Bread and JT seem to be gelling…Need to find them a long term RW. If so, this is a really solid top9. Fix the defense (send Lindgren to Mars) and were cooking with gas.

Panarin - Miller - XXX
Cuylle - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Kreider - Mika - Smith


Absolutely not to Zadarov. I dont hate Kreider for Frederic and a 1st but a little scared of Frederics next contract

Tkachuks don't fall off trees, unfortunately.

I do think Cuylle could fit into that spot well, but he's the type of player who could probably make it work with any linemates and play whatever role the line requires.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Very tough to find a match in Kreider deal. Very tough to find a LHD that would be acceptable for what this team is building. Zadarov the closest as of now. Still digging though. We are not going to get some like small puck mover guy. I don't know that we get Frederic for him now, let alone Frederic AND a 1st. Kreider has played himself away from that. Might still do it straight up. Also kind of wondering if there is a weird Kreider for Marchand deal in the ether, but again Kreider is probably their best route to get the LHD they need. I would still think about trying to do Zibanejad for Skjei/S. Jones/etc , but that's obviously complicated. Rangers probably need to find a bad contract swap and get lucky

yeah youre right. Kreider has tanked his value. Its a trade for the summer when all the GMs are drunk at their cottages and start hearing how much Kreider has been training

 

[Savant]

yeah youre right. Kreider has tanked his value. Its a trade for the summer when all the GMs are drunk at their cottages and start hearing how much Kreider has been training

Yeah I mean maybe you could do something with Pittsburgh like Kreider for Graves but we already have one Lindgren. There just are not a lot of options. Do you do like Kreider and Lindgren for Graves and like one of Bunting/Rakell/Rust and tell the Penguins they can cut cap? Just sucks

 

[lakeshirts37]

The Rangers are trying to make the playoffs. They aren't going to experiment.

Five game stretch coming up against PITT (2x), BUF, NYI, CBJ. Get Othmann in the lineup. Pretty low risk. Brodzinski or Arthur over him is not going to move the needle. Lets see what we have

Cuylle - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Panarin - Miller - Othmann
Cryder - Meeka - Smith

 

[UnSandvich]

f*** this team.

 

[zlev]

Ding ding ding. JT Miller wasn't brought in this season as a "We're going to win the Cup this season" move. It was to change the landscape of the NYR locker room. I'm all for that.

he's not Messier

 

[bernmeister]

Nucks put PDG on waivers. Let's get him back in the gang also.

please no
no more vets esp over the hill ones

 

[haohmaru]

Calling up your 1st round prospect to help with a playoff run is exactly what a team like the Rangers should do. They trust the coaching in Hartford.

They're not in the playoffs. You don't experiment down the stretch and play games with points you don't have yet. Totally disagree and it's a ton of pressure on a young player in a top 9 role.

 

[bernmeister]

i’m preparing for the kreider trade to barely be more of a return than the trouba trade. borque? bischel? yeah right.

i think just moving on will be addition by subtraction at this point

btw i doubt dallas is gonna trade for kreider now after getting granlund and ceci

Kreider is not the black hole here, Lindgren + Zib are
ck should sit to heal up so we can have an honest assessment of his condition going forward

bread at half for bischel + 1st down the road

They need to see who the best LHD they can get for Kreider is, and then get Berard and/or Othmann back up. if they have to choose between Berard OR Othmann going forward that’s another asset they can use. They absolutely have to give Othmann a shot and see if he can work or they need to trade him before his value goes in the tank

again, misplaced, and also gms are not paying for him in present condition
so even IF you conclude trade, why take bupkis now
wait til he heals
Vesey does not deserve his roster spot
speak truth
keep kreider [for now at least]
dump vesey

They could actually make a hockey trade for lindgren. Something like lindgren to wash for iorio+ or cgy for Poirier+ or some other playoff team that has d concerns but have prospects that are close to making the jump.

don't want another vet
want R gm to capitulate to common sense and get a draft pick
add a pick + get a better pick

I actually think the Bruins and Rangers are good trade partners because Bruins aren’t going to want a full scale rebuild either. They are going to want a dreaded retool. Zadarov has not worked out for them. Zadarov for Kreider kind of helps both teams? Both have lost value this season

no
Zads is not super mobile
that doesn't help

if we are fortunate enuf to get zib to waive to BOS,
then zads full pop makes zib at half somewhat attractive

Yeah I mean maybe you could do something with Pittsburgh like Kreider for Graves but we already have one Lindgren. There just are not a lot of options. Do you do like Kreider and Lindgren for Graves and like one of Bunting/Rakell/Rust and tell the Penguins they can cut cap? Just sucks

Please no

 

[haohmaru]

Ding ding ding. JT Miller wasn't brought in this season as a "We're going to win the Cup this season" move. It was to change the landscape of the NYR locker room. I'm all for that.

Right on. It's not "this year rental move" at all. Very un-Ranger like.

 

[Overcast]

he's not Messier

Great observation! He's JT Miller. I'm not sure if you missed my entire post where I said I don't believe he was brought in to turn this team into Cup winners this season. It's to change the atmosphere around this team. If you like the way this team is playing, the way the team is/was constructed, and the way they seem to carry themselves, then I'm glad you're enjoying the season the same as any other season. However I think things could be better and I think bringing in an asshole is a good step for this team.

Do you believe that Messier is the only person that was able to ever or will ever be able to influence an NHL locker room? I'm not sure what the point of saying "He's not Messier" was.

 

[Savant]

no
Zads is not super mobile
that doesn't help

if we are fortunate enuf to get zib to waive to BOS,
then zads full pop makes zib at half somewhat attractive

That's good. We hate mobile Dmen

Please no

Oh I am not doing this either, I just think everyone's value is too bad to do anything else. Zadorov at least (I think) is friends with Miller, and Rangers like Dmen who hit things. I am not expecting to make a good deal here.

Lindgren is the biggest issue, but with Mancini in Vancouver, we need another Dman in before we can dump.