Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[TheGortonConspiracy]

I think Chris Kreider would be an excellent fit for Chicago

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I think Chris Kreider would be an excellent fit for Chicago

Why would Chicago trade for him?

 

[RangerBoy]

There is but only if you’ve won at least 3 championships as a major piece

Bill Torrey was loyal to his Islander guys because they won 4 straight Cups.

 

[bernmeister]

Yes but none have been as useless as Kreider

hell to the no
zib has been way, way worse
in every facet of the game
and he has no excuse for being contact averse and sucking defensively
NONE

Why would you buyout Panarin? We're not saving much. Subtracting Panarin and adding nobody only makes sense if you think the team is magically going to all play differently and be better for it. They aren't going to trade buy him out to tank before the season starts.

concur
you do not buyout a productive bread
you deal him for quality youth
buyout makes no sense

Can we f***ing stop talking about Kakko in here already?

no, sorry
unfortunately
until nyr mgmt bends buckles and breaks in capitulation to bern about not giving quality youth away cheaply
they must be hounded and reminded of it constantly

those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

 

[bernmeister]

I guess this is where I should have used that sarcasm emoji you suggested.

well... that's a horse of a different color!

 

[mike14]

I don't really like the way we run development (or at least what we see of it and the results), but it's interesting to see how it's viewed by people.

We rush prospects (Lias, KK, Laf, Chytil), but then we don't (Krav, Othmann, Miller, Cuylle, Krieder, Buch, Stepan).
We don't give them enough opportunity (KK, Krav?, even Chytil), but then Laf is stapled to the Panarin line, Buch to CK/Mika, Stepan was top-6 from the off and Cuylle is 4th in 5v5 ice time.

Sometimes it seems to work (Buch, Miller, Stepan, Chytil, Kreider, Cuylle is looking good)
Some times it's a bit 'meh' (you can question whether Laf and KK have 'developed' at all)
Sometimes it doesn't work (Lias, Krav) but is that the org or the player?

So what aren't we doing that other teams do, other than picking better players?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I don't really like the way we run development (or at least what we see of it and the results), but it's interesting to see how it's viewed by people.

We rush prospects (Lias, KK, Laf, Chytil), but then we don't (Krav, Othmann, Miller, Cuylle, Krieder, Buch, Stepan).
We don't give them enough opportunity (KK, Krav?, even Chytil), but then Laf is stapled to the Panarin line, Buch to CK/Mika, Stepan was top-6 from the off and Cuylle is 4th in 5v5 ice time.

Sometimes it seems to work (Buch, Miller, Stepan, Chytil, Kreider, Cuylle is looking good)
Some times it's a bit 'meh' (you can question whether Laf and KK have 'developed' at all)
Sometimes it doesn't work (Lias, Krav) but is that the org or the player?

So what aren't we doing that other teams do, other than picking better players?

Playing proper hockey. I tuned into Seattle v Washington the other night and the pace was mindblowingly fast compared to your typical Rongo game. Neither team is particularly fast when you look at the players, and there wasn’t a whole lot of scoring chances either way, but the pace of play, quick puck movement , and energy is just in a different universe. And really it’s all teams. Turn on a random non-Rangers game and you’ll see .

 

[leetch99]

Kreider has 2 whole points than Carrick. Lets let that sink in. Carrick who plays no PP time and gets 9 minutes a game.

In reality that is where Kreider should be playing on the 4th line and move Edstrom up for a few games and see what he can do with more talented players and more ice time....let's see what Edstrom has got in the tank . We already know what Kreider can and can't do these days . This way we find out what we need in trades moving forward .

 

[will1066]

Playing proper hockey. I tuned into Seattle v Washington the other night and the pace was mindblowingly fast compared to your typical Rongo game. Neither team is particularly fast when you look at the players, and there wasn’t a whole lot of scoring chances either way, but the pace of play, quick puck movement , and energy is just in a different universe. And really it’s all teams. Turn on a random non-Rangers game and you’ll see .

We're the slowest f***ing team in the league. Practice pace in a real game.

 

[surlysailor]

In reality that is where Kreider should be playing on the 4th line and move Edstrom up for a few games and see what he can do with more talented players and more ice time....let's see what Edstrom has got in the r=tank . We already know what Kreider can and can't do these days . This way we find out what we need in trades moving forward .

I know there’s no room but with Eds getting a good amount of deflection goals lately, I’d love to see him get some reps in front of the goalie on pp2. Even if he doesn’t deflect them as well as kreider use to at least he can take the goalies eyes away

 

[mike14]

Playing proper hockey. I tuned into Seattle v Washington the other night and the pace was mindblowingly fast compared to your typical Rongo game. Neither team is particularly fast when you look at the players, and there wasn’t a whole lot of scoring chances either way, but the pace of play, quick puck movement , and energy is just in a different universe. And really it’s all teams. Turn on a random non-Rangers game and you’ll see .

Agree that speed is an issue and has been for a while. But we must have been playing some proper hockey at some point, right? 2 x ECFs and President's Trophy. Yeah there's luck and matchups and whatever, but if we develop poorly and can't play proper hockey, WTF is the rest of the league doing that we've been able to achieve that, and be only 1.5 games out of a playoff spot?

 

[leetch99]

Playing proper hockey. I tuned into Seattle v Washington the other night and the pace was mindblowingly fast compared to your typical Rongo game. Neither team is particularly fast when you look at the players, and there wasn’t a whole lot of scoring chances either way, but the pace of play, quick puck movement , and energy is just in a different universe. And really it’s all teams. Turn on a random non-Rangers game and you’ll see .

Well....it does not help when your top puck lugging Dman is barely fast enough to beat your granny . That is where it starts....slow puck movement slows down wingers and outside of Chytil we don't have many luggers . It is a problem . I think Miller could lug it but he seems too nervous in doing so . Kreider did it before but also lost a step and now just gets to the blueline and throws it away . This team is bad in a lot of areas at the moment .

 

[will1066]

Hopefully learning how to shoot, not pass, on breakaways.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Playing proper hockey. I tuned into Seattle v Washington the other night and the pace was mindblowingly fast compared to your typical Rongo game. Neither team is particularly fast when you look at the players, and there wasn’t a whole lot of scoring chances either way, but the pace of play, quick puck movement , and energy is just in a different universe. And really it’s all teams. Turn on a random non-Rangers game and you’ll see .

the rangers roster is slow and lacking young talent. it’s plain as day. we don’t have a single young difference maker. teams around the league have some of the most exciting young talents we’ve seen in decades and here we are trotting out yesteryear’s glory. And ofc the one borderline HOF young(ish) talent we have is slow and lacking in outstanding physical attributes

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Well....it does not help when your top puck lugging Dman is barely fast enough to beat your granny . That is where it starts....slow puck movement slows down wingers and outside of Chytil we don't have many luggers . It is a problem . I think Miller could lug it but he seems too nervous in doing so . Kreider did it before but also lost a step and now just gets to the blueline and throws it away . This team is bad in a lot of areas at the moment .

Again, it’s not necessarily about the skating speed of the players

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Imo put Cuylle Chytil and Lafreniere together, play them as the 1b line, see what happens when the three of them are playing without the pressure of playing with older players.

 

[RangerBoy]

Dreger says the salary cap for next season very likely won't be above $96M.

Columbus can do a Pettersson deal. His performance has been abysmal. $11,600,000 for a 50 point player this season. Yikes.

Brandt Clarke is not on the block.

Maple Leafs are intereated in Saad.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Imo put Cuylle Chytil and Lafreniere together, play them as the 1b line, see what happens when the three of them are playing without the pressure of playing with older players.

I always thought Kreider elevated his play with Trocheck. Hell, he elevated his game with anyone but Mika.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

It’s time to put Chytil back with Cuylle and AK and try that as the second line and then reunite Meaka-Cryder-Siddi as the third line.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

We're the slowest f***ing team in the league. Practice pace in a real game.

This team is a f***ing chore to watch. I encourage everyone to watch other games if you can, we are not even close to what most teams are doing.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Just reading that Brodz was taking rushes in Kaliyev 's place. Like F this team, fine if you want to give Brodz a spot give him Kreiders spot, it's always the easiest player to bench. Kaliyev is new here, getting off an injury and were going to bench him when everyone knows he's not even close to the problem. Kreider and Zib spent most of the year on a milk box and this is the solution, it hurts my brain

 

[chris kontos]

PUT KALIYEV ON THE FING POWER PLAY

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Agree that speed is an issue and has been for a while. But we must have been playing some proper hockey at some point, right? 2 x ECFs and President's Trophy. Yeah there's luck and matchups and whatever, but if we develop poorly and can't play proper hockey, WTF is the rest of the league doing that we've been able to achieve that, and be only 1.5 games out of a playoff spot?

I'd say most of that was Igor, mike -- especially the ECFs.

 

[mike14]

I'd say most of that was Igor, mike -- especially the ECFs.

Igor and his .912 S% is the reason we won a President's Trophy? C'mon...
Like I said, this team has issues, and it's gone as far as it can go as currently constructed, but it really does feel sometimes that we as a collective miss the forest for the trees, because we watch almost too much of this team compared to others.
Yeah, you can watch other teams and see how fast they are, but do you watch enough of them to see all the ways that they stuff things up?
Again, we can't draft, we can't develop, Igor is an overpaid hack at this point and every vet here has checked out and sucks anyway, but we are 1.5 games (with an almost historically bad losing slump) outside of the playoffs. So again, wtf is wrong with the rest of the league if we can do that?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd say most of that was Igor, mike -- especially the ECFs.

2022 was mostly Igor. Won’t get an argument from me there. Straight up stole 2 series and almost stole a 3rd.

Last year wasn’t. He was very good but the team was pretty good too.