Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[bernmeister]

It had something to do with EP's wife not liking a lamp that JTM's wife picked out for a story about the Millers' home in a Vancouver magazine.

Post in thread 'Around the NHL - Part XLIII'

Jan 15, 2025

At Home With Canucks Forward J.T. Miller and Interior Designer Natalie Miller in Vancouver - Vancouver Magazine

While J.T. Miller is on the ice with his Vancouver Canucks teammates […]

www.vanmag.com

• will1066

@Takeahnase

(I kid. I kid.)

And yet, somehow, this is not the strangest explanation I've seen for this shit!

Why is that?

Yeah, I don't get the Kreider hate, completely ignoring the back issue.
And I know to expect it from contrarians here who are gonna say water ain't wet
This poster often connects the dots most of the time on other stuff, imo

 

[DuneGoon84]

 

[SA16]

People want to win a SC. People don’t believe our current players can do that. Therefore we need better players. Where do you propose these players come from? We are incapable of drafting said players, so we must trade for them or sign FAs. This is the kind of player we must take a chance on. Eichel was another.

The player on the same team who will cost significantly less. If I'd be concerned about giving 7x11.6 for EP with a full NMC why would I possibly trade a ton of assets for him? It's probably going to be like Perreault+ that they'd want for him given that they could have been in line to get Necas from Carolina.

 

[Profet]

And yet, somehow, this is not the strangest explanation I've seen for this shit!



Yeah, I don't get the Kreider hate, completely ignoring the back issue.
And I know to expect it from contrarians here who are gonna say water ain't wet
This poster often connects the dots most of the time on other stuff, imo

Water isn't wet. Water makes other things wet.

 

[n8]

Bern your want and reality are off

Robertson is a call up waiver guy at best

Jones has 1 foot out the door

There is some logic here. If he does well, we can replenish from within or at least turn him into a viable trade asset. If he does poorly, as an RFA, maybe it'll be good to know to cut bait. Won't hurt us tanking. God knows, we're going to end up with the 16th OA pick.

The alternatives are sign a UFA, probably looking at $6+ for 7 years so if you sign Gavrikov, you get to enjoy him at the age of 36. Here's a list of the not-as-old-plus-Orlov.
LD UFA 2025, Orlov (33), Provorov (28), Gavrikov (29), Chychrun (26), Petterson (28)

Remember, Urho is a UFA too so even if you like him, he might bolt. Say he wants to join Team Finland in Carolina.

It'll be good to know how viable Robertson is. Getting like a 16 game sample size post TDL is not a bad idea.
Realistically, I don't see it happening though. Drury is going to Drury and buy at the TDL.

 

[kovazub94]

Mention it in context of JTM discussion but this year and maybe another one I'd rather have Drury go after someone like Miller. i.e. "reasonable" $8m AAV and movable contract in later years than going after somewhat younger UFAs who'd market price will be a level higher - we're talking well over $10m - and trade proof claws like the ones Zibanejad.

 

[MrAlmost]

I don't really like or want Miller, but if it's gonna happen I would like to see this:

Kreider for 1st
Smith for 2nd
Jones plus pick for Maata
Lindgren, Sykora and the kreider 1st for Miller and maybe Desharnais
Call up Berard

Panarin-Tro-Laf
Miller-Z-Kaliyev (I'd rather see othmann or keep Smith and include Kaliyev in the trade for Miller)
Cuylle-Chytil-Berard
Ed-Carrick-Rempe
Brod

Maata-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Desharnais

I think that team could make the playoffs and be tough to play against.

 

[bernmeister]

There is some logic here. If he does well, we can replenish from within or at least turn him into a viable trade asset. If he does poorly, as an RFA, maybe it'll be good to know to cut bait. Won't hurt us tanking. God knows, we're going to end up with the 16th OA pick.

The alternatives are sign a UFA, probably looking at $6+ for 7 years so if you sign Gavrikov, you get to enjoy him at the age of 36. Here's a list of the not-as-old-plus-Orlov.
LD UFA 2025, Orlov (33), Provorov (28), Gavrikov (29), Chychrun (26), Petterson (28)

Remember, Urho is a UFA too so even if you like him, he might bolt. Say he wants to join Team Finland in Carolina.

It'll be good to know how viable Robertson is. Getting like a 16 game sample size post TDL is not a bad idea.
Realistically, I don't see it happening though. Drury is going to Drury and buy at the TDL.

Looking next yr we should def see what Gavrikov wants $$ wise.
The poster claimed we should hold off b'c we needed an immediate replacement for Lindgren
My pt is Jones, Robertson, whoever it won't hurt enough to sink us this yr if the ship rights itself
right now even if we make POs we do not go all the way to the cup
NEED TO BUILD A TEAM W/BEST LONG TERM CHANCE FOR CUP
placeholder now is not a big whoop
need to move on from Lindy, like yesterday

 

[bernmeister]

Water isn't wet. Water makes other things wet.

Water might not be wet when in solid or gaseous form.
But in liquid form, which is its native state, it has the quality of wetness, it therefore IS wet
The fact it makes other stuff wet on contact is besides the fact.

I got enough going on in the real world I gotta push back on the ballbreakers who wanna deny the truth
Don't you start too.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

This paired with the Larry article, hate to admit it folks but they’re testing the waters on keeping Lindgren

I remember last year Mollie Walker getting a quote from Kreider saying Lindgren is the “F’n Straw that Stirs the Drink”.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Wow.....this escalated at lightning speed. Now we are signing the guy to a multi-year deal...just because Lavy said he was being a leader.

Hey Chicken Little....maybe you need some Xanax....

When players get talked about like this it’s for a reason. We didn’t move on from him last year we had a chance to start this year to do so and didn’t, and yet, here he is still on the team and playing first pairing minutes.

This is not escalating at light speed, it’s just the truth of how I sadly see this going in rangers land.

We love guys who can’t play. Lindgren is one

if they really re-signed lindgren I might just peace out on this team

once again, wasting the top defenseman they lucked into
people are gonna look back at fox's career and go "what the ever loving f*** were the rangers thinking"

e: though I will say I don't think Drury gives a shit about Lindgren emerging as a leader or any of those things, if he wants to trade/dump him then he'll do it.

Problem is it should have been done already

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Would you be willing to sign Pettersson to a buy-out proof 7x11.6 deal with a full NMC if he was a UFA this off-season? Consider that he has 31 points in 42 games this year. What if he's more of an 85 point player than the 102 point player he was 2+ seasons back? I don't think I'd trade anything for him. That contract could have very negative value.

It would be a risk for sure. Something about EP that rubs me wrong.

As far as Miller goes, I'd be in on him because I feel his game is more of what the Rangers need - but only if he were a replacement for Mika.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

It would be a risk for sure. Something about EP that rubs me wrong.

It’s his face

 

[haohmaru]

I remember last year Mollie Walker getting a quote from Kreider saying Lindgren is the “F’n Straw that Stirs the Drink”.

What the hell was he stirring in December? Non 007 Martinis?

 

[leetch99]

I’m sorry, I may have too many people on ignore but where is this “Rangers are going to resign Lindgren.” Stuff?

They want Lindgren to tutor /school Mancini next year like he has done with Fox ! Schneider plugged in along side Fox .
They will sign him to a 3yr 7 million dollar deal[team friendly] and they know he can move seamlessly up and down on the three pairs . Vak will be retained as our 7th guy as we know Lindgren gets banged up while covering for his partners every season . Lindgren will have a 15 team NTC after year 2 .

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

What the hell was he stirring in December? Non 007 Martinis?

He Bleeds!

 

[McRanger92]

They want Lindgren to tutor /school Mancini next year like he has done with Fox ! Schneider plugged in along side Fox .
They will sign him to a 3yr 7 million dollar deal[team friendly] and they know he can move seamlessly up and down on the three pairs . Vak will be retained as our 7th guy as we know Lindgren gets banged up while covering for his partners every season . Lindgren will have a 15 team NTC after year 2 .

I’d be fine with this if I had any inkling he’d play anywhere but tied to Fox’s waist.

 

[Levitate]

I remember last year Mollie Walker getting a quote from Kreider saying Lindgren is the “F’n Straw that Stirs the Drink”.

maybe the drink tastes like shit

When players get talked about like this it’s for a reason. We didn’t move on from him last year we had a chance to start this year to do so and didn’t, and yet, here he is still on the team and playing first pairing minutes.

I mean, players talked up Trouba and his leadership before he was jettisoned

 

[Fitzy]

Mention it in context of JTM discussion but this year and maybe another one I'd rather have Drury go after someone like Miller. i.e. "reasonable" $8m AAV and movable contract in later years than going after somewhat younger UFAs who'd market price will be a level higher - we're talking well over $10m - and trade proof claws like the ones Zibanejad.

If JT Miller was to hit free agency this summer, he'd probably get 12 million. So I see your point.

 

[McRanger92]

maybe the drink tastes like shit


I mean, players talked up Trouba and his leadership before he was jettisoned

They literally cried over Trouba. Drury does not give a shit.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They want Lindgren to tutor /school Mancini next year like he has done with Fox ! Schneider plugged in along side Fox .
They will sign him to a 3yr 7 million dollar deal[team friendly] and they know he can move seamlessly up and down on the three pairs . Vak will be retained as our 7th guy as we know Lindgren gets banged up while covering for his partners every season . Lindgren will have a 15 team NTC after year 2 .

Well he’s getting traded now.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I’d be fine with this if I had any inkling he’d play anywhere but tied to Fox’s waist.

It’d be a disaster if he came back even
At league minimum.

Some players are just biting off more than they can chew and others struggle when separated from an elite
Player.

Lindgren is played too high and struggling with an elite player. He gets f***ing demolished away from Fox even with lesser assignments.

 

[McRanger92]

The JT/Rangers stuff seems to me like the Rangers are the only team that sees any trade value in JT. Canucks chronically online owner needs to justify to their fanbase that he is “winning” the JT trade, because their fans really like him. For some reason Chytil and a first AND Sykora (who will almost certainly play NHL games as a bottom 6 forward) is not good enough because Paul Missthenet says so? Chytil will be a better player than Miller in 3 years IF he stays healthy. That risk is mitigated by an additional 1st and a second round prospect. They SHOULD be retaining and capitulating on 1st round conditions be rid of a player everyone sees as a cap and locker room liability. And the Canucks have caused the whole thing by assassinating him and Pettersson in the media instead of just dealing with it.

If I knew Chytil would be healthy in 5 years, I’d never consider this. But we can’t and Chytil’s career might be better served in Vancouver where he can play more and face less pressure than he does in NY to push himself through these injuries. It’s tragic in a way because I love Filip and he is a true leader. JT is just the type of star player we need. Someone who will stand in and take a punch for his team. Our young guys NEED that. Mika, Panarin and Kreider have done so much for this team but they can’t give the Rangers that. Lafreniere, Cuylle, Rempe, Edstrom, Berard will be so much better long term with a veteran who will fight for and with them when it gets crazy on the ice. Right now, our team needs a 21 year old Bambi to bring them energy. That’s not good. It’s been an issue with this group of players going back to Wilson and Panarin.

 

[will1066]

JT Miller arrives before his first game in his second stint with the Rangers. A fan approaches....



That's the JT Miller attitude.

 

[lakeshirts37]

There is some logic here. If he does well, we can replenish from within or at least turn him into a viable trade asset. If he does poorly, as an RFA, maybe it'll be good to know to cut bait. Won't hurt us tanking. God knows, we're going to end up with the 16th OA pick.

The alternatives are sign a UFA, probably looking at $6+ for 7 years so if you sign Gavrikov, you get to enjoy him at the age of 36. Here's a list of the not-as-old-plus-Orlov.
LD UFA 2025, Orlov (33), Provorov (28), Gavrikov (29), Chychrun (26), Petterson (28)

Remember, Urho is a UFA too so even if you like him, he might bolt. Say he wants to join Team Finland in Carolina.

It'll be good to know how viable Robertson is. Getting like a 16 game sample size post TDL is not a bad idea.
Realistically, I don't see it happening though. Drury is going to Drury and buy at the TDL.

No - Vaak is an RFA. And what is this obsession with Robertson? He’s another bust of a Rangers draft pick. career AHL player.

I don't really like or want Miller, but if it's gonna happen I would like to see this:

Kreider for 1st
Smith for 2nd
Jones plus pick for Maata
Lindgren, Sykora and the kreider 1st for Miller and maybe Desharnais
Call up Berard

Panarin-Tro-Laf
Miller-Z-Kaliyev (I'd rather see othmann or keep Smith and include Kaliyev in the trade for Miller)
Cuylle-Chytil-Berard
Ed-Carrick-Rempe
Brod

Maata-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider
Desharnais

I think that team could make the playoffs and be tough to play against.

There is 0% chance JTM is moved for that package