Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

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I think a lot of this has to do with Mika and family not wanting to be an extra 6 hours further from Sweden
I understand but is that fact or theory? We see a lot of people posting their theories as fact. I remember hearing Gabs cant be traded. Gabs cant be traded. Then he was traded and not even asked to waive his NTC until after the deal was done. Lets say it is about geography. How many times does his family travel to or from Sweden during the season? I just do not think many players fight to stay where they are not wanted. Some do. There are those exceptions but usually if a workplace does not want you then you prefer to be somewhere else eventually. I'm not saying Mika would say yes to Van. I just do not like thinking theories are facts. For all I know Mika luvs Van because it is beautiful. Point is I just do not know. I would like some actual evidence of stuff occasionally lol. :D
 
I could see Van coming back and asking for the same package. Remove the 1st or change it to a lower round and make the deal.

I love Chytil (and Lindgren, as a competitor and a Ranger) and would hate to see him go but he’s too much of a liability and Miller is a massive upgrade over him.

Lindgren is addition by subtraction and a 2nd is the usual throw in for Drury. We all know the percentages in that round. You could easily make another deal for a better Dman than Lingren and fill his spot.
I'm not 100% sure Lavi would move Kam up to play with Fox if Lindy is gone. Kam and Borgen seem to be meshing.
 
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Would be hilarious if their moron owner listened to another moron in Bissonnette who told him not to trade JT for Chytil. The Canucks would be lucky at this point to get a player of Chytil's caliber for Miller. there's a 0% chance the rangers would be open to moving him if not for the long term injury concerns.
if paul bissonnette tanks this deal im going to puke
 
I’m at the point where if we do trade for Miller, might as well do it for futures rather than trade a big part of your team in Chytil. Trade the first+Othmann or whatever. Then you can trade Kreider and Zibanejad closer to the deadline or in the offseason. I’m still not in love with trading for him but if they are going to do it I’d rather them do that.
Was think along the same lines so long as Gabe is off limits
 
You are probably right. I feel selfish for wanting Chytil to play because he has skills our team lacks (speed) but also fearful about his health issues. I do not think the main fear is missing weeks. I think the main fear is worse. I think Chytil is a great guy so I really hope he has some good luck health wise.
We'd probably be able to live with Chytil playing even high 60's number of games but unfortunately the risk is rather that he'd be missing this number of games if not even calling it a career altogether
 
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I understand but is that fact or theory? We see a lot of people posting their theories as fact. I remember hearing Gabs cant be traded. Gabs cant be traded. Then he was traded and not even asked to waive his NTC until after the deal was done. Lets say it is about geography. How many times does his family travel to or from Sweden during the season? I just do not think many players fight to stay where they are not wanted. Some do. There are those exceptions but usually if a workplace does not want you then you prefer to be somewhere else eventually. I'm not saying Mika would say yes to Van. I just do not like thinking theories are facts. For all I know Mika luvs Van because it is beautiful. Point is I just do not know. I would like some actual evidence of stuff occasionally lol. :D
I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere but you're right, we're all just wildly guessing for the most part, lol. But I don't think it's gotten to the point where he feels like he's not wanted here. On the contrary, the vibes around the team seem like they're the best they've been the entire season.
 
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Now that the offers are less than the owner wants they are throwing out info that other teams are interested and Petersson is available, etc. I doubt it. Imagine a scenario where they trade Petersson and Miller still wants to leave. It doesn't make sense
IMO this attempt to say JTM could be off the table is just another tactic to increase offers and nothing else
 
I mean the options are Jones, Kam and Vaak.
He might try Vaak if he does not want to break up KAM and Borgen. Its not about having the best Dmen on the top line but the best pairings overall.

I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere but you're right, we're all just wildly guessing for the most part, lol. But I don't think it's gotten to the point where he feels like he's not wanted here. On the contrary, the vibes around the team seem like they're the best they've been the entire season.
I think Mika is well liked by his teammates. Its just hard when an organization says they do not want you. Even if you say no to a trade the clock starts ticking and its only a matter of time imo. Hard to go in to any workplace every day if you feel unwelcome.
 
We'd probably be able to leave with Chytil playing even high 60's number of games but unfortunately the risk is rather that he'd be missing this number of games if not even calling it a career altogether
It is the later risk that has to scare the teams management a lot. As a fan I feel selfish even wanting him to play knowing the risk.
 
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While I know Miller CAN play wing, I think we are all seeing Mika not be the prototypical center that gets the puck to his wingers.

To @DanielBrassard s comment about getting g Miller for futures, imagine this down the stretch

Cyulle/Kreider - Miller - Smith/Mika
Panarin - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Kreider/Cyulle - Chytil - Mika/Smith
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe

The center depth here is pretty impressive.

Even if/when Chytil gets hurt again, Mika stepping in is still pretty damn nice to have.
 
Vancouver putting out there to their media now that JT Miller wants a trade. No way that is Miller's camp. There were reports recently that Miller had asked them to not let this linger and he is good with moving on, but was fine putting on a front to the media (as in not putting anything out there at all and letting Vancouver front office do their thing).

Vancouver reeks of desperation.

They don't want to retain, and they don't want to risk decreased ticket sales.
which is why now is good time for bern's deal which looks good both sides, but is in currency we want

Smith + Lindgren + Kaliyev + Sykora
for
jtm + desharnais who likely we dump waive if he is actually a pylon

keep Chytil, keep 1st, keep other prospects w/mo upside

If they want to expand it to include other D that's another discussion


I see this Mika does not want Van line often. He probably wants to stay put if possible but I'm more willing to accept the Mika does not want Van line if someone shows me Mika or his agent saying it. ☺️
The line is he, like bread, is happy here and does not wanna move
We have reason to believe Mika understands that if a nuclear option is dropped and he is dnp going forward, at some pt he relents, tho he still will want relocation on his terms
rather than being obstinate, we should oblige if possible


Probably but thats probably more about Van wanting a better deal than Mika refusing to go imo.
I disagree with an asterisk.
Whether it is brinksmanship or something else, mika has not been accommodating to date on waiving, to anywhere.
VAN on the other hand def doesn't want big contract and new and not improved brand x zib for jtm
Howev, if we gave them mika at half for virtually free, I don't see any reason they say no. Do you?
I think it is cost of assets paid vs profit upside

I think a lot of this has to do with Mika and family not wanting to be an extra 6 hours further from Sweden
Some said must be east cost team for this reason.

i’d be shocked if they even got chytil at this point. starting to look like a package of lindgren, mid prospect and a first w protections would be a blessing for vancouver. regardless of whether or mot you want miller drury has played this insanely well
see my above suggestion.
Lindgren + mid prospect not enuf
can sell sykora as the feature prospect, kaliyev as quality youth w/upside even if limited eye test there, plus useful smith as a cap dump
plus we take Desharnais, who they wanna unload, off their hands

I could see Van coming back and asking for the same package. Remove the 1st or change it to a lower round and make the deal.

I love Chytil (and Lindgren, as a competitor and a Ranger) and would hate to see him go but he’s too much of a liability and Miller is a massive upgrade over him.

Lindgren is addition by subtraction and a 2nd is the usual throw in for Drury. We all know the percentages in that round. You could easily make another deal for a better Dman than Lingren and fill his spot.
consider my above prop

I understand but is that fact or theory? We see a lot of people posting their theories as fact. I remember hearing Gabs cant be traded. Gabs cant be traded. Then he was traded and not even asked to waive his NTC until after the deal was done. Lets say it is about geography. How many times does his family travel to or from Sweden during the season? I just do not think many players fight to stay where they are not wanted. Some do. There are those exceptions but usually if a workplace does not want you then you prefer to be somewhere else eventually. I'm not saying Mika would say yes to Van. I just do not like thinking theories are facts. For all I know Mika luvs Van because it is beautiful. Point is I just do not know. I would like some actual evidence of stuff occasionally lol. :D
you are asking for peeps to be rational here

He’s lost like 2 steps from where he was last year for real and has had a knee issue that looks like it’s still a thing.

Can’t find any other explanation for him being that much slower. He’s gone from
Close to elite to below average.
which is why I can see an add and they get Dobson
Isles may be pressed to gamble on Elais Pett returning to form
 
While I know Miller CAN play wing, I think we are all seeing Mika not be the prototypical center that gets the puck to his wingers.

To @DanielBrassard s comment about getting g Miller for futures, imagine this down the stretch

Cyulle/Kreider - Miller - Smith/Mika
Panarin - Trocheck - Lafreniere
Kreider/Cyulle - Chytil - Mika/Smith
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe

The center depth here is pretty impressive.

Even if/when Chytil gets hurt again, Mika stepping in is still pretty damn nice to have.
I’m not sure it’ll be a popular opinion (mostly because of depth issues), but I think Mika needs to be transitioned to wing like Stamkos was.

His game’s always felt weird for a center to me.
 
The real question is can we finally sign some of our guys f***ing long term instead of bullshit 2 year deals? Cuylle and Edstrom should be looked at to lock up for a long time. Miller too. Might be able to get a bargin now that he struggled in the first half.

Will we finally sign our trade acquisitions to reasonable contracts that make us better and more flexible?

Every other team does this. Will the Rangers realize it's 2025 and not 1995?
 
I disagree with an asterisk.
Whether it is brinksmanship or something else, mika has not been accommodating to date on waiving, to anywhere.
VAN on the other hand def doesn't want big contract and new and not improved brand x zib for jtm
Howev, if we gave them mika at half for virtually free, I don't see any reason they say no. Do you?
I think it is cost of assets paid vs profit upside

Some said must be east cost team for this reason.
Not doubting you but when and where did you read Mika turned down a trade request? I would like to read it for myself.
 
He’s lost like 2 steps from where he was last year for real and has had a knee issue that looks like it’s still a thing.

Can’t find any other explanation for him being that much slower. He’s gone from
Close to elite to below average.
Tracks with his skating data on NHL Edge. Pretty alarming to drop from a 90th percentile skater to a sub-50th. Who knows if there’s an emotional component to that, but it’s an alarming trend nonetheless.
 
He’s lost like 2 steps from where he was last year for real and has had a knee issue that looks like it’s still a thing.

Can’t find any other explanation for him being that much slower. He’s gone from
Close to elite to below average.

Knee injuries at 26. 11.6 mil. Eichel situation. High risk, high reward. Could see Vancouver selling him in the summer. Doesn't seem to have the best attitude but what do I know? I think Vancouver is happy to move Miller and Pettersson to build around Hughes and Tocchet, who is a huge personality in NHL circles and doesnt seem likely to be fired.. It also doesnt seem likely Boeser or Demko are long for them either. They are staring the "full rebuild shotgun" in the face. Good enough to make the playoffs and win a round but not good enough to beat McDavid.
 

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