Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[Pawnee Rangers]

There's a zero percent chance they trade either Kreider of Zib in season, especially if they add JT.

 

[McRanger92]

There's a zero percent chance they trade either Kreider of Zib in season, especially if they add JT.

Kreider might get the Trouba/Goodrow waiver treatment in the summer just to be rid of his cap space. I doubt he has the value to get anything worthwhile in a trade in season. he looks terrible.

 

[NYR Viper]

I’m at the point where if we do trade for Miller, might as well do it for futures rather than trade a big part of your team in Chytil. Trade the first+Othmann or whatever. Then you can trade Kreider and Zibanejad closer to the deadline or in the offseason. I’m still not in love with trading for him but if they are going to do it I’d rather them do that.

The more digging I have done in to Miller the player and the way his contract would fit in, along with the cap projections moving forward, I have kind of turned the corner on his fit here. At first glance, I thought $8m was too steep for him but as I really thought forward I think it may actually be a decent deal.

Also as I looked around at other players who have hovered around his type of point totals at this stage in their careers, especially when they have done so for multiple years in a row, they tend to age more gracefully than I was giving them credit for. People compare him to Zibanejad but Mika clearly is having concerns with engaging in battles. Miller doesn't have the same concern. I could see him generally aging like Kopitar or Benn. Both very effective players still

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Kreider might get the Trouba/Goodrow waiver treatment in the summer just to be rid of his cap space. I doubt he has the value to get anything worthwhile in a trade in season. he looks terrible.

I think you're gonna be disappointed.

 

[UnparalledPark]

There isn't a universe that Sanderson is moved. Ottawa couldn't wait to lock him up for as long as possible. He's the #1.

You have to look for a blueline that's a little overcrowded or non-diverse. Also teams in some flux, which there are many. I wouldn't be against dipping in the Seattle pool again if they continue to stink. Or Anaheim for that matter. They've got LaCombe, Zellweger and Mintkutov on the left side, would they move one of them?

I think if I were really going "all-in" on contending in the near future, my #1 target would be Weeger in Calgary. If you could get him for a package of like Lindgren, Othmann/Emery, and a first I'd do that without a doubt.

Ottawa couldn’t wait to lock everyone up for max term and they’re paying for it, though I agree in Sanderson’s case it’s paying off.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You are right but I would attribute that to 2 things.

1. Teams often respond in the short term to coaching changes just like players respond in the short term after trades. Both usually fall back to the norm over time. Look at Aaron Pierce (Raiders) in the NFL or Kuzmenko after his trade to Calgary.

2. People often argue correlation equals causation.

Who is Aaron Pierce?

 

[UnparalledPark]

There isn't a universe that Sanderson is moved. Ottawa couldn't wait to lock him up for as long as possible. He's the #1.

You have to look for a blueline that's a little overcrowded or non-diverse. Also teams in some flux, which there are many. I wouldn't be against dipping in the Seattle pool again if they continue to stink. Or Anaheim for that matter. They've got LaCombe, Zellweger and Mintkutov on the left side, would they move one of them?

I think if I were really going "all-in" on contending in the near future, my #1 target would be Weeger in Calgary. If you could get him for a package of like Lindgren, Othmann/Emery, and a first I'd do that without a doubt.

I like it but Cal has a slew of young D in the pipeline. They need forwards, especially Centers.

 

[Levitate]

If Miller comes here I hope everyone is ready for Chytil to be headed to vancouver

 

[haohmaru]

I’m at the point where if we do trade for Miller, might as well do it for futures rather than trade a big part of your team in Chytil. Trade the first+Othmann or whatever. Then you can trade Kreider and Zibanejad closer to the deadline or in the offseason. I’m still not in love with trading for him but if they are going to do it I’d rather them do that.

Not me. I’m jettisoning Chytil as soon as I can. He’s an accident waiting to happen

 

[DanielBrassard]

If Miller comes here I hope everyone is ready for Chytil to be headed to vancouver

It is the most likely scenario I’m just saying I’d look to make the deal without him.

 

[Levitate]

It is the most likely scenario I’m just saying I’d look to make the deal without him.

I honestly wouldn't be too surprised if the Rangers are looking to move Chytil while he has value instead of banking on him being a core part of the team going forward, considering his injury history

 

[SA16]

Would trading Chytil destroy the locker room?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Would trading Chytil destroy the locker room?

I know you're being facetious but I just had this debate how it absolutely floors me that they care so much about a bum like Trouba but a guy that gives it his all and is sacrificing his life for the Rangers no one cares.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I know you're being facetious but I just had this debate how it absolutely floors me that they care so much about a bum like Trouba but a guy that gives it his all and is sacrificing his life for the Rangers no one cares.

troubas wife tho!!!

 

[DanielBrassard]

The more digging I have done in to Miller the player and the way his contract would fit in, along with the cap projections moving forward, I have kind of turned the corner on his fit here. At first glance, I thought $8m was too steep for him but as I really thought forward I think it may actually be a decent deal.

Also as I looked around at other players who have hovered around his type of point totals at this stage in their careers, especially when they have done so for multiple years in a row, they tend to age more gracefully than I was giving them credit for. People compare him to Zibanejad but Mika clearly is having concerns with engaging in battles. Miller doesn't have the same concern. I could see him generally aging like Kopitar or Benn. Both very effective players still

I think Miller fits on the roster, and it helps that he’s versatile. He can easily move over to the wing. But adding another 32 year old means you are shortening your window unless you swap him for one of the other guys who is 32+ which seems unlikely as a straight up deal. If you told me that the Rangers plan is to acquire Miller and the flip Mika before next season that’s one thing but is that something that they will be able to execute? That’s the issue. As far as how Miller will age, it might be graceful but we aren’t getting the same guy from 28-31. That’s just a fact. Which is why it’s imperative they move out one or more of the other older pieces if they do trade for Miller.

 

[NickyFotiu]

If Miller comes here I hope everyone is ready for Chytil to be headed to vancouver

I would not move Chytil in the JT deal unless the team is 100% convinced his health issues are going to reach a bad conclusion in the future. I may be crazy but I think Mika plus two picks (not a 1st) is a fair offer if JT says Rangers.

 

[Guyute]

I would not move Chytil in the JT deal unless the team is 100% convinced his health issues are going to reach a bad conclusion in the future. I may be crazy but I think Mika plus two picks (not a 1st) is a fair offer if JT says Rangers.

But then Mika needs to say yes to Vancouver. Mika will not be saying yes to Vancouver.

 

[SA16]

I know you're being facetious but I just had this debate how it absolutely floors me that they care so much about a bum like Trouba but a guy that gives it his all and is sacrificing his life for the Rangers no one cares.

Oh, I don't think they care so much about Trouba or Goodrow. I think it's just the media making up stories to assign a reason as to why things went bad.

 

[Levitate]

I would not move Chytil in the JT deal unless the team is 100% convinced his health issues are going to reach a bad conclusion in the future. I may be crazy but I think Mika plus two picks (not a 1st) is a fair offer if JT says Rangers.

I don't think Vancouver wants Mika
I dunno about the Rangers but I'm convinced Chytil's health issues are not behind him. even if he doesn't have another "misses and entire season" I think he's always gonna get hurt and miss a chunk and then take weeks to get back to playing at the level he was at before injury.

 

[zlev]

I’m at the point where if we do trade for Miller, might as well do it for futures rather than trade a big part of your team in Chytil. Trade the first+Othmann or whatever. Then you can trade Kreider and Zibanejad closer to the deadline or in the offseason. I’m still not in love with trading for him but if they are going to do it I’d rather them do that.

id be way on-board if it was Othmann, Lindgren and a 1st or something. i really want to hold onto Chytil. i think Chytil and Miller would actually be good together on a line.

 

[Overcast]

If Miller comes here I hope everyone is ready for Chytil to be headed to vancouver

Wouldn't notice him being out of the lineup since that's his default. A 100 point center that can consistently play more than 10 games in a row without getting concussed is a huge win if the deal centers around Chytil.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think you're gonna be disappointed.

I think he’s right.

At the very least this would be the beginning of the end for Zibanejad. We already know they’ve tried to deal him this year.

I know you're being facetious but I just had this debate how it absolutely floors me that they care so much about a bum like Trouba but a guy that gives it his all and is sacrificing his life for the Rangers no one cares.

unless it’s Lindgren according to brooks who you aren’t allowed to be mean to.

 

[JohnC]

I think he’s right.

At the very least this would be the beginning of the end for Zibanejad. We already know they’ve tried to deal him this year.


unless it’s Lindgren according to brooks who you aren’t allowed to be mean to.

The Kreider/waivers part of that post is for sure the part that’s going to leave him disappointed

 

[RGY]

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I think he’s right.

At the very least this would be the beginning of the end for Zibanejad. We already know they’ve tried to deal him this year.


unless it’s Lindgren according to brooks who you aren’t allowed to be mean to.

I'm just saying they're not going to give Kreider the Goodrow treatment this offseason. Will they try to move him? Maybe. But it makes zero sense to do it during the season, especially if they're bringing in Miller. Also, he's hurt and he's coming off a pretty damn good season last year. And he's been one of the franchise's best playoff performers. I'm gonna wait to see how things shake out and who does what in the post season before saying who needs to go and who can stay.