Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[Oscar Lindberg]

This whole Miller ordeal sounds like a mess

this things going to end with Drury and Rangers being in Vancouvers black list of “teams we’ll never make a trade with again”

 

[TGWL]

That's a pretty big lowball then, considering JT is actually under contract for several more years when Horvat was a pending UFA.

"I just gave you 5 good reasons"

 

[UnparalledPark]

Last years UFA season was bonkers. Stamkos got 4 years @ $8m as a 34 years old. Chandler Stephenson got 7 years @ $6.25m. Marshessault got 5 years @ $5.5m at 33 years old.

Looking towards this next crop of UFA's and with the potential of a $9m cap increase, what do we project a guy like Tavares or Duchene getting? What about Jamie Benn? Ehlers? Bennett? Nelson?

Some of these tier 2 or early to mid-30's guys are going to be looking at longer term, $6+ million per year deals and none of them are going to bring the same level of production as Miller. All have various warts.

I’d like to have Ehlers. Probably cost between 8.25 and 8.5 per. That’s a lot for a speedy RW with a good shot, but can be somewhat shutdown in the playoffs and his slight body is susceptible to injury.

 

[JimmyG89]

Why would this team be worried about cap retention on Miller when whatever the retention is will be made up in salary cap increases the next 2-3 years?

They've got ~19M in cap space without any increases. If the cap is 97M you're looking at ~28M in space. K'Andre Miller is the only guy that is set to make a ton of money. Maybe Borgen if re-signed he comes in around 4M per season.

I would not send over additional assets to lower the cost of JT Miller's deal. There is no need to. Take on the entire deal at a reduced asset cost.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

That's a pretty big lowball then, considering JT is actually under contract for several more years when Horvat was a pending UFA.

the contract probably lowers his value lol

 

[UnparalledPark]

I want to ship Panarin out and he's at the top of my list.

I’m not sure this is something I would brag about. LOL

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

That's a pretty big lowball then, considering JT is actually under contract for several more years when Horvat was a pending UFA.

For a lot of teams the term on the deal is a negative factor, not a positive one.

Honestly, if the deal is basically Chytil-Chmelar/Sykora level prospect - top 10 protected first round pick, I make that trade every single time. Chytil's health makes him too much of a question mark to rely on, if he can be the center piece on a deal like this (no Laf, Braden, Gabe, Othmann) then I bite the bullet. Love you Fil but this trade unquestionably makes the Rangers better this year and at least next year too, if not for longer.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Status quo. Teams are low balling Vancouver. Dundon is a cheapy. The Devils don't have the space. The contract is an issue. The age is an issue. Character issues. Tough sell.

The Rangers offer is the same offer Vancouver accepted for Horvat. We don't know the Rangers pick protection. Roster player, prospect and a first round pick. Top 12 protection for Horvat.

I would take that deal for Kreider.

Bite thy tongue.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Why would this team be worried about cap retention on Miller when whatever the retention is will be made up in salary cap increases the next 2-3 years?

He eats into whatever money they saved moving Trouba. And perhaps they’re not just assuming they’ll be able to move Zibanejad as easily as some believe. Or they’re interested in resigning Panarin.

Plus you gotta pay Schneider, Cuylle and K’Andre over the next 18 months.

In theory I can see why they’d want retention.

On the flip side of the coin, my gut tells me this is Drury putting the screws to Vancouver who’s in a bad spot. Which could easily blow up in his face

 

[McRanger92]

This whole Miller ordeal sounds like a mess

this things going to end with Drury and Rangers being in Vancouvers black list of “teams we’ll never make a trade with again”

The complaints are getting stranger and stranger

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The complaints are getting stranger and stranger

Whose complaints?

 

[LOFIN]

DO NOT take this as some serious report by a legit insider, it's Vancouver yellow page media. But maybe...

A source suggested to Postmedia that Carolina’s interest remains pretty minimal — like every GM out there, they would be interested in a deal if they can win the trade. And that’s not just about Miller, it’s about what else would be included in a potential deal. If, for instance, Hurricanes were to move Jesperi Kotkaniemi and Jack Roslovic, they would likely need another forward going back to them, just to make their roster work.

So, really, all eyes should remain focused on the Rangers. That deal seems to be the closest to becoming a reality. It would seem that the holdup remains how the deal would be structured. To move Miller, the Canucks are going to have to attach some sort of sweetener, whether that’s salary retention (which you suspect the Canucks are wont to do) or adding a prospect, of which the Canucks don’t have many and the few good ones they have they don’t want to deal.

Canucks: For a J.T. Miller trade, it's surely the Rangers or bust

Sure, the Hurricanes may have kicked tires on a Miller trade, but they seem well below New York in interest. Find out more.

theprovince.com

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The complaints are getting stranger and stranger

We can concoct fantasy scenarios where Perreault refuses to sign again if you want.

 

[KennyWu]

Vancouver doubling down called up a second Elias Pettersson

 

[McRanger92]

Whose complaints?

Id love for the Rangers to fleece them so bad they never want to trade with us again.

 

[LORDE]

Why would this team be worried about cap retention on Miller when whatever the retention is will be made up in salary cap increases the next 2-3 years?

They've got ~19M in cap space without any increases. If the cap is 97M you're looking at ~28M in space. K'Andre Miller is the only guy that is set to make a ton of money. Maybe Borgen if re-signed he comes in around 4M per season.

I would not send over additional assets to lower the cost of JT Miller's deal. There is no need to. Take on the entire deal at a reduced asset cost.

The Trouba $ was given right to Shesty so we have the cap increase & not much else for next season & beyond

 

[bernmeister]

The Trouba $ was given right to Shesty so we have the cap increase & not much else for next season & beyond

can ditch expiring Lindy now instead of waiting
ditto Smith
that's the better part of 8m if I'm not mistaken

 

[duhmetreE]

Vancouver doubling down called up a second Elias Pettersson

showcase?

 

[bernmeister]

Isles are not a fit on zib currency does not match

BOS maybe zadorov 5 per and long term + Marchand 6.125 expiring
for
Zib 8.5 + Lindy 4.5 expiring

this would be an instant no, but if bos believes we are not extending Marchand, this might fly

Zad is huge, but his skating at 29 is sketchy for long term

zib has major warts but Bs roster is thin, so....

 

[Clark Kellogg]

it will be more than 92.5 pal

Thanks, buddy

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Let someone pay Key $6 mil next year - Chytil/Miller for Miller/Pettersson (the D) and maybe they even add

 

[pld459666]

A fre things are happening as the discussions surrounding Miller happen.

Miller continues to struggle scoring goals, but he is picking up points.

Vancouver continues to struggle to put wins together. Keeping them on the outside looking in

The Rangers appear to be on a heater getting themselves back into the playoff picture. Seems like the goalies have been better and the team defense has been much better.

There is no desperate need for the Rangers to rush a deal, and something tells me that Miller is angling to get moved back here.

With the Rangers playing better and what I believe Miller is doing (limiting the Canucks options) there is a bit of a FU game going on between Miller and Vancouver with the Rangers being the team having to wait until they feel it's a hopeless situation and they move in another direction.

With 43 more days til TDL, it's a waiting game to see who gets frustrated first.

I believe Miller is back with the NYR'S, but it may not happen until after the 4 Nations Tourney

 

[Savant]

We might be a Lindgren upgrade from being good regardless of what happens with JT Miller

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers probably shouldn’t trade Chytil for JT. Canucks are desperate, why are we giving them such a good player for their problem child?

 

[NYR Viper]

Rangers probably shouldn’t trade Chytil for JT. Canucks are desperate, why are we giving them such a good player for their problem child?

We do this every time with Chytil. When he’s healthy we all love him but the next time he gets hurt, we will all wish they had moved him when they were able to