Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[bernmeister]

yardbarker had an article, said 'nucks are a tad mo flexible on JT, will be open to adding more prospects

Again, jtm can be an exception to the rule IF
-- we are paying mostly scraps
-- we offset adding 8m structural cap w/moving other big contracts

also, we need to recognize zib deal buyout is reportedly close to bullet proof.
Howev, if we get jtm and he falls off a cliff in 4 years, if he can be bought out, if nec, that is not too bad.

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Again
Forbot + Juulsen are not Vaak + Borgen, but they can place hold for us
keep Chytil
keep our 1st
surrender Sykora, keep bigger Chmelar
surrender Kaliyev
give Lindy at half
cap dump Vesey

get back
jtm, Forbot, Juulsen
accept cap dump Desharnais = useless can't skate, waive
and a 1st down the road from them

 

[duhmetreE]

My point is leave Schneider on the right where he belongs. But if our LD situation is so dire that we need to put Schneider there, just trade him for a LD. Schneider would be the over payment because RD are worth more than equivalent RD.

some top teams have guys playing their off-side.

I'd rather a better player play on their off-side than a player like Lindgren playing on his natural side. Schneider looked good on the left, playing with Trouba. It's worth considering. Also being on his off-side he becomes a threat with a shot... we all know how many opportunities Lindgren gets and blunders. If a fraction of those become goals, it's an improvement.

 

[Mugless]

32 Thoughts: How record revenues in NHL could impact salary cap, next CBA

When it comes to future salary ceilings in the NHL, we might be getting some clarity beyond 2025-26. Elliotte Friedman has that, fallout from the McDavid suspension, J.T. Miller updates and more on this week's 32 Thoughts blog.

www.sportsnet.ca

EF has already reported this information. He said $97M a few months ago. The NHL and NHLPA are discussing a new CBA. They are looking to set the number for the next 3 seasons. EF had that info last Saturday. They haven't started "negotiations" but they are in discussions. LeBrun had that.

Walsh said $105M for 27-28

2025-26 $97M
2026-27 $101M?
2027-28 $105M

More players will benefit from the cap increases.

How many teams will be $105,000,000 teams? The Canadian dollar is low. Can those teams pay to the upper limit? 69 cents. They take in Canadian dollars and pay out USD. 30 cents less per dollar is a lot of money. How much more money can they charge for tickets which are already expensive?

Shesty and Laf contracts make a bit more sense with this info.

 

[Siddi]

I’m not really seeing the common denominator here. Most of those players are relatively slow, or small, or obvious bottom six guys. Where’s Panarin’s replacement? Or even Zib’s or Kreider’s? If people think Kreider is a lousy leader, you’re gonna love Miller. Let’s see some of these 175 pounders play in the NHL for a year or two before we get excited about their hard nosed style. And calling one of those guys hard nosed really makes me Laf.

Dont bother with him. He never replies when called out.

 

[UnparalledPark]

"Character"

First hand knowledge?

 

[Profet]

First hand knowledge?

First hand knowledge of this team having some of the worst professional and amateur scouting in all of professional sports?

Yes... Yes I do.

 

[bl02]

I heard this am on radio that JT has scored twice in his last 19 games? And those 2 goals were in one game. Also on pace for about half as many goals he scored last year. We better not overpay

 

[McRanger92]

I heard this am on radio that JT has scored twice in his last 19 games? And those 2 goals were in one game. Also on pace for about half as many goals he scored last year. We better not overpay

Canucks are going through their own Rangers December right now. No one is playing well. Bad feelings with the coach and in the locker room. They need to make this trade to start healing. Same as we did with Trouba.

Imo its all over but the crying for Vancouver. They will need to trade JT at a discount somewhere because of how horribly they handled this trade. If the Rangers are asking Van to retain, I highly highly doubt Canes will take that contract without retention. Rangers need that big matchup C who can galvanize or PP again.

 

[17futurecap]

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Cool story in The Athletic today about him and his family having a Maple Syrup Company, which seems like it’s a big hit with players families.

 

[bl02]

Canucks are going through their own Rangers December right now. No one is playing well. Bad feelings with the coach and in the locker room. They need to make this trade to start healing. Same as we did with Trouba.

Totally understand. Let them make the trade. Doesn't mean we should be giving up 2-3 players under 25 plus a first rounder. it's no guarantee he comes here and turns it around. I know it was a small sample size but I fear another Eric Staal and Staal was actually younger when he came here.

 

[E-Train]

Need the Devils or Carolina to step up and save Drury from himself. A 1st, even conditional, is insane. As much as I want Lindgren out of here, send him away for a pic, not this nonsense

 

[haohmaru]

Totally understand. Let them make the trade. Doesn't mean we should be giving up 2-3 players under 25 plus a first rounder. it's no guarantee he comes here and turns it around. I know it was a small sample size but I fear another Eric Staal and Staal was actually younger when he came here.

Staal was also woefully misused here and went on to productive years elsewhere. He never had a chance here.

 

[TGWL]

I heard this am on radio that JT has scored twice in his last 19 games? And those 2 goals were in one game. Also on pace for about half as many goals he scored last year. We better not overpay

Panarin has 5 in the last 20. He's more than twice as good at JT Miller and the fanbase wants to ship him out. JT coming here would be a love hate relationship with most of the fans. We all want some sort of change but there's a scary part of a decline on top of a dip in production just playing here in NY.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

This only makes sense if they're moving Mika.

I'm assuming Mika isn't going anywhere. His contract is impossible to move if he refuses to waive. But I only see Miller here 2-3 years regardless.

 

[bl02]

Staal was also woefully misused here and went on to productive years elsewhere. He never had a chance here.

He was misused to an extent but what is the guarantee that he Miller wouldn't be as well? If Miller was 27/28 sure but there isn't much runway with a guy that is turning 32 by the TDL. Unless Mika is going back no thanks

I'm assuming Mika isn't going anywhere. His contract is impossible to move if he refuses to waive. But I only see Miller here 2-3 years regardless.

Why would he only be here in 2-3 years? Are we buying him out? What if his production drops in half who is trading for him at 34/35 years of age making the money he makes?

 

[B17 Apricots]

There were 124 players taken in the 2020 Draft from Rounds 4-7.

19 of 124 have played an NHL game. Rempe is one.

5 of 124 have 2+ goals. Rempe is one.

I'm no Drury fan/defender, but complaining about the 165th draft pick - who has already exceeded expectations for that slot by simply playing an NHL game and scoring a goal (and a playoff goal ) - is strange. If the Devils drafted him, the complaints would be that we passed on a 6'8 monster for some winger that can't skate and that the Devils get it right again.

Who would be complaining about that? Let those types of people complain about whatever they want. This post was not specifically about Matt Rempe but Drury's overall draft philosophy. Rempe was not even a Drury pick. I have no issue with these sorts of picks here and there, but obviously in moderation. I thought the Edström pick by Gorton & Co was great.

The reality is that when you look at Drury's selections overall, they are largely all players of the same mold. Aside from some of the top picks they're all very similar, low upside, bottom line sort of types.

And I don't get particularly jazzed up about having a million big guys in the system that don't have much upside. These types are a dime a dozen. You can replace these sorts every year in free agency for nothing. Its such a lame take to me when people say, well the probability of hitting on someone in those rounds are low anyway.. we should just be happy we got someone that might get a cup of coffee in the big league. It's so unambitious for me. If the probability is low to hit in these rounds regardless, aren't you better served shooting for actual talent then? I'd rather strike out looking for prospects flying under the radar than find a dime a dozen guy that can be replaced for nothing every year.

I've seen people give Drury credit for the Brett Berard pick. I dont know why, he was a Gorton pick. When you get away from the top picks I look around at our pool and I say to myself... where are these types of prospects I'm talking about. They simply aren't there. You need to actually draft those types if you want those sorts of prospects, it's pretty simple.

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. Outside of the top picks Mancini and Laba have really surprised. Fortescue is promising. I consider them real prospects. In 4 drafts we have 1 forward that wasn't a top pick that I'd seriously consider having upside to be more than a nothing burger replacement level player.

But I've noticed the draft is a touchy thing on these boards for whatever reason. The general vibe around it seems to be shut up and just fanboy for whoever we take. Any other opinions should just quite down about it. I make an effort to watch a decent chunk of prospects throughout the year. I get some entertainment out of following it. But I'm not some draft guru or anything like that... that's the whole point of these boards, you're allowed to have opinions about this stuff. It almost feels like this sort of cognitive dissonance/stockhold syndrome sort of thing where because they're our picks you have to just champion them and not have any sort of criticisms. I'd like to see Drury & Co place more emphasis on talent in the later rounds over size.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Why would he only be here in 2-3 years? Are we buying him out? What if his production drops in half who is trading for him at 34/35 years of age making the money he makes?

I don't know all the particulars but his deal goes to a modified no trade in 2 or 3 years and the buyout isn't nearly as terrible as Zib's would be (his deal was basically all paid in bonuses). I'm not saying that's definitely the plan, I have no idea, but they have outs if they choose to go that route.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Need the Devils or Carolina to step up and save Drury from himself. A 1st, even conditional, is insane. As much as I want Lindgren out of here, send him away for a pic, not this nonsense

Not even sure Lindgren would bring back a good one of them

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I’m not even convinced trading Chytil for Miller makes us that much better at 5v5. On special teams sure, but 5v5 it is not a guarantee. Chytil is also our best puck transporter, he can play off the cycle and the rush, he actually attacks the middle of the ice with the puck. This trade makes us much older and complicates the cap and roster flexibility in the future. I just hate it the more I think about it.

When he's healthy...thats the problem

I mean, Chytil is still having plenty of defensive lapses this year. And he's always "coming off an injury". Nothing about what I said is unfair criticism.

They arent trading Mika for Miller. Everyone already said no to that. Id rather trade Mika but that's most likely going to be done concurrently or in the summer.

I'm doubtful the Rangers are able to get Zibanejad to waive his nmc, i think this is the main hold up with Miller, Rangers want Van to hold half of the salary or maybe even include Kreider in the deal.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I don't know all the particulars but his deal goes to a modified no trade in 2 or 3 years and the buyout isn't nearly as terrible as Zib's would be (his deal was basically all paid in bonuses). I'm not saying that's definitely the plan, I have no idea, but they have outs if they choose to go that route.

You're making it sound like the only reason that have interest in Miller is his contract can be moved in 3 years, which I don't think that's the case. Drury has been kicking the tires on him since the deadline in '22. This is why I replied to you earlier that if they simply wanted a player with a more team friendly deal, that logic only makes sense if Mika was on his way out.

Whether we like it or not, Drury thinks Miller is an upgrade to the roster, so I doubt he's concerning himself with 3 years from now. I also think if Miller does get dealt here that it's the start of a roster turnover that probably evolves more in the summer.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Panarin has 5 in the last 20. He's more than twice as good at JT Miller and the fanbase wants to ship him out. JT coming here would be a love hate relationship with most of the fans. We all want some sort of change but there's a scary part of a decline on top of a dip in production just playing here in NY.

I don’t think anyone wants to ship Panarin out. At least he’s way down the list

We need to trade for JT for purely so we can finally say we have a home grown #1 C!

 

[bhamill]

Who would be complaining about that? Let those types of people complain about whatever they want. This post was not specifically about Matt Rempe but Drury's overall draft philosophy. Rempe was not even a Drury pick. I have no issue with these sorts of picks here and there, but obviously in moderation. I thought the Edström pick by Gorton & Co was great.

The reality is that when you look at Drury's selections overall, they are largely all players of the same mold. Aside from some of the top picks they're all very similar, low upside, bottom line sort of types.

And I don't get particularly jazzed up about having a million big guys in the system that don't have much upside. These types are a dime a dozen. You can replace these sorts every year in free agency for nothing. Its such a lame take to me when people say, well the probability of hitting on someone in those rounds are low anyway.. we should just be happy we got someone that might get a cup of coffee in the big league. It's so unambitious for me. If the probability is low to hit in these rounds regardless, aren't you better served shooting for actual talent then? I'd rather strike out looking for prospects flying under the radar than find a dime a dozen guy that can be replaced for nothing every year.

I've seen people give Drury credit for the Brett Berard pick. I dont know why, he was a Gorton pick. When you get away from the top picks I look around at our pool and I say to myself... where are these types of prospects I'm talking about. They simply aren't there. You need to actually draft those types if you want those sorts of prospects, it's pretty simple.

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. Outside of the top picks Mancini and Laba have really surprised. Fortescue is promising. I consider them real prospects. In 4 drafts we have 1 forward that wasn't a top pick that I'd seriously consider having upside to be more than a nothing burger replacement level player.

But I've noticed the draft is a touchy thing on these boards for whatever reason. The general vibe around it seems to be shut up and just fanboy for whoever we take. Any other opinions should just quite down about it. I make an effort to watch a decent chunk of prospects throughout the year. I get some entertainment out of following it. But I'm not some draft guru or anything like that... that's the whole point of these boards, you're allowed to have opinions about this stuff. It almost feels like this sort of cognitive dissonance/stockhold syndrome sort of thing where because they're our picks you have to just champion them and not have any sort of criticisms. I'd like to see Drury & Co place more emphasis on talent in the later rounds over size.

Ummm. Drury has picked exactly TWO players over 6'4"... and one of them is looking pretty damn good in the A, Roo, who was drafted in the 6th round, and the other was drafted in 2024 (5th round) and seems no worse than any other 5th rounder at the moment. Othmann will be a middle six NHLer, pretty good for a 16th pick, Perrault and Fortescue look like home runs for their draft positions. Laba and Mancini looking great for where they were taken. So far no BOMBS like Anderson or Kravtsov. I don't even blame Gorton for Kakko because he was CONSENSUS 2OA that year.
Of all the complaints to have about Drury, at this early stage, with his oldest picks being like 21 years old... his drafting seems a really odd target.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

You're making it sound like the only reason that have interest in Miller is his contract can be moved in 3 years, which I don't think that's the case. Drury has been kicking the tires on him since the deadline in '22. This is why I replied to you earlier that if they simply wanted a player with a more team friendly deal, that logic only makes sense if Mika was on his way out.

Whether we like it or not, Drury thinks Miller is an upgrade to the roster, so I doubt he's concerning himself with 3 years from now. I also think if Miller does get dealt here that it's the start of a roster turnover that probably evolves more in the summer.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying Miller isn't the guy to usher in this new "enlightened core" and lead them to the promised land, nor should he be. He's being brought in to help the current core and will probably be gone around the same time Panarin, Kreider, and Zib are. He's 32 and a head case, I'm not hinging my team's future on this guy but If you can bottle that up for a season or two and win some games, great. The fact that his contract is moveable is even better, and of of course he's an upgrade considering Chytil's health situations and that they're so thin at the C position.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Ummm. Drury has picked exactly TWO players over 6'4"... and one of them is looking pretty damn good in the A, Roo, who was drafted in the 6th round, and the other was drafted in 2024 (5th round) and seems no worse than any other 5th rounder at the moment. Othmann will be a middle six NHLer, pretty good for a 16th pick, Perrault and Fortescue look like home runs for their draft positions. Laba and Mancini looking great for where they were taken. So far no BOMBS like Anderson or Kravtsov. I don't even blame Gorton for Kakko because he was CONSENSUS 2OA that year.
Of all the complaints to have about Drury, at this early stage, with his oldest picks being like 21 years old... his drafting seems a really odd target.

I won't even entertain this post considering Chmelař, Boyko, Väisänen, Roobroeck and Aspinall are all 6'5 or taller. There's no reason to even put any more thought into a response for me.

 

[will1066]

I heard this am on radio that JT has scored twice in his last 19 games? And those 2 goals were in one game. Also on pace for about half as many goals he scored last year. We better not overpay

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