Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[bleedblue94]

Drury makes multiple offers over months

Drury finally gets to an offer that the Canucks are interested in

Canucks wait

Canucks have bigger issues at the end of last week and then they want to get a deal done

Drury thinks he has leverage after the Canucks come back to him and bc of their drama so there is a standoff
(yesterdays price is not today's price)

Canucks get pissed and pull out

Canucks now trying to stir up a market for a better deal or in hopes nyr flinches

The drama of the NHL trade world

 

[McRanger92]

Drury makes multiple offers over months

Drury finally gets to an offer that the Canucks are interested in

Canucks wait

Canucks have bigger issues at the end of last week and then they want to get a deal done

Drury thinks he has leverage after the Canucks come back to him and bc of their drama so there is a standoff
(yesterdays price is not today's price)

Canucks get pissed and pull out

Canucks now trying to stir up a market for a better deal or in hopes nyr flinches

The drama of the NHL trade world

Many such cases

 

[bleedblue94]

How motivated are the Canucks to make this deal swiftly? JT hasn't requested a trade or been approached. Friedman reported other teams are talking to JT and his agent about the NMC. If Miller goes to Carolina, they will be looking to move him as soon as his NMC becomes an NTC. If New York is the only place he'll waive his NMC for, and the rumored package includes Chytil, Lindgren, Sykora and/or Chmelar, you can't let the deal fall through based on 1st round pick conditions. Top 10 protect it and be done. To whiff on this trade would be a fireable offense, especially with how drury has been unable to complete big trades in the past.

Everyone knows Miller will waive for NYR. It's his preferred location. Canucks are letting other teams talk to him in hopes he will expand the number of teams he will accept a trade to so they can develop a trade market. If Miller isn't open to other markets then Drury will get him at Drury's price. Drury is banking on Miller being stubborn. Canucks know they need to trade him. Rutherford having Alvin try to develop a market so there are competing offers and not just Drury but the Canucks need Miller to be willing to go somewhere other than nyr. It's all on Miller...

 

[McRanger92]

Everyone knows Miller will waive for NYR. It's his preferred location. Canucks are letting other teams talk to him in hopes he will expand the number of teams he will accept a trade to so they can develop a trade market. If Miller isn't open to other markets then Drury will get him at Drury's price. Drury is banking on Miller being stubborn. Canucks know they need to trade him. Rutherford having Alvin try to develop a market so there are competing offers and not just Drury but the Canucks need Miller to be willing to go somewhere other than nyr. It's all on Miller...

My hope is JT continues to be stubborn for "NYR or bust". Why should he do Vancouver any favors when they are scapegoating him for this mess they are in? JT has some unfinished business in NY and he's tight with Trocheck and presumably Kreider. Id like to see this happen sooner than later because we have some important games coming up.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

No, I’m not throwing in Berard. f*** that.

I would also much prefer to deal Lafreniere than Chytil.

Kill off Lafreniere and K’Andre Miller, and the season will be a success.

I’m almost at that point with Laf. I know he’ll turn into a star in Vancouver probably overnight but I’m almost okay with that. This team is poison .

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

So you’re a smart one since you’re not a proponent of a failed run, as opposed to those idiots supporting a failed run - clearly cause they are idiots. How do you know it will be failed? Is it like FL who lost to Vegas and should have sell afterwards or especially Tampa who lost to lowly CBJ in the first round - surely it was a fools hope that that group of losers will not have the same fate if not worse the following year.

I never said I was the "smart one"; nor did I say anyone was an "idiot" -- I expressed a personal opinion.

 

[NYR Viper]

How would everyone feel if the player included was not Chmelar but instead was Edstrom? I have been thinking on this for a while and I wonder if Edstrom is the type of guy the Rangers like, but could move in the right scenario. He's 24 and has 7 points in 42 games. He's solid defensively and uses his size well. I'm not saying I would want to move him, but the Rangers appear to have a few guys developing who could fill that type of role. Perhaps the trade is:

Chytil + Edstrom + Lindgren + ________ for Miller + Desharnais

The Rangers could have been close to recalling both Sykora and Chmelar to have them both at practice and see who they like to fill that role. Both guys have been effective this year and project as bottom-6 guys.

 

[kovazub94]

I never said I was the "smart one"; nor did I say anyone was an "idiot" -- I expressed a personal opinion.

Sure, but then how do you already KNOW it will be a failed run? Crystal ball?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Some of you guys are obsessed with keeping cap space and not adding players. I’m all for building with youth but when you get JT Miller for Chytil Lindgren and a protected 1st that’s a literal coup. The guy is a 90+ point player at this point in his career and is a bulldog. I don’t see why they can’t make that move and then continue to reshape the roster going into next year. You’d rather keep Chytil as 3C, playing 55 games, trade Lindgren for a 2nd round pick and draft some guy 15th who’ll frustrate you in 6 years? I don’t know, seems like a no brainer to me

 

[surlysailor]

Sure, but then how do you already KNOW it will be a failed run? Crystal ball?

Maybe not a crystal ball but we've seen how well this NYR core have faired against FL, NJD, TB in the last 3 years(playoffs and reg season). No way they're not meeting at least one of those teams in the playoffs.

 

[huerter]

Maybe not a crystal ball but we've seen how well this NYR core have faired against FL, NJD, TB in the last 3 years(playoffs and reg season). No way they're not meeting at least one of those teams in the playoffs.

And Carolina.

 

[McRanger92]

How would everyone feel if the player included was not Chmelar but instead was Edstrom? I have been thinking on this for a while and I wonder if Edstrom is the type of guy the Rangers like, but could move in the right scenario. He's 24 and has 7 points in 42 games. He's solid defensively and uses his size well. I'm not saying I would want to move him, but the Rangers appear to have a few guys developing who could fill that type of role. Perhaps the trade is:

Chytil + Edstrom + Lindgren + ________ for Miller + Desharnais

The Rangers could have been close to recalling both Sykora and Chmelar to have them both at practice and see who they like to fill that role. Both guys have been effective this year and project as bottom-6 guys.

Trading Edstrom to keep Chmelar would be some galaxy brain stuff and a huge mistake. One is an effective bottom 6 player already and the other would be lucky to carve out an NHL career.

 

[leetch99]

Agreed.

It’s hard to see the team making a ton of noise w a defense like this…though there is potentially a world where it is still more effective than last year’s

Schneider (?) - Fox
Miller - Borgen
Vak - Mancini (?) Jones (?)

Soft as Charmin Ultra .....

 

[Machinehead]

Agreed.

It’s hard to see the team making a ton of noise w a defense like this…though there is potentially a world where it is still more effective than last year’s

Schneider (?) - Fox
Miller - Borgen
Vak - Mancini (?) Jones (?)

That world is this one. It's Earth.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Soft as Charmin Ultra .....

No softer than the defense that won the cup last year.

Or the one iced by the other cup finalist.

 

[RangerBoy]

How motivated are the Canucks to make this deal swiftly? JT hasn't requested a trade or been approached. Friedman reported other teams are talking to JT and his agent about the NMC. If Miller goes to Carolina, they will be looking to move him as soon as his NMC becomes an NTC. If New York is the only place he'll waive his NMC for, and the rumored package includes Chytil, Lindgren, Sykora and/or Chmelar, you can't let the deal fall through based on 1st round pick conditions. Top 10 protect it and be done. To whiff on this trade would be a fireable offense, especially with how drury has been unable to complete big trades in the past.

Horvat was top 12. The same front office made that deal two years ago. Drury should wait it out.

 

[Rongomania]

Drury needs to go. Another reason I don’t give a shit about playoffs this year. Clean that house.

 

[McRanger92]

Horvat was top 12. The same front office made that deal two years ago. Drury should wait it out.

Haggling over pennies at this point

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I find our system pretty mid given the lack of blue chip prospects and the club’s record of not developing them into stars anyway. The only guy that excites me is Perrault and there’s still a 75% chance they turn him into a tepid grinder.

And we have ZERO legit center prospects and ZERO puck moving defenseman .

What a strategy.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Horvat was top 12. The same front office made that deal two years ago. Drury should wait it out.

Horvat was a rental, and had never been a point per game player.

Miller has been a point per game player for 4 of the past 5 years with peaking at 100 pts 2 years ago, and he’s signed for multiple years (not a rental)

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Haggling over pennies at this point

Wait it out could be a week or a month. I agree he should get as much as trade protection as possible to guard against a top 10 pick

 

[kovazub94]

How would everyone feel if the player included was not Chmelar but instead was Edstrom? I have been thinking on this for a while and I wonder if Edstrom is the type of guy the Rangers like, but could move in the right scenario. He's 24 and has 7 points in 42 games. He's solid defensively and uses his size well. I'm not saying I would want to move him, but the Rangers appear to have a few guys developing who could fill that type of role. Perhaps the trade is:

Chytil + Edstrom + Lindgren + ________ for Miller + Desharnais

The Rangers could have been close to recalling both Sykora and Chmelar to have them both at practice and see who they like to fill that role. Both guys have been effective this year and project as bottom-6 guys.

Don't think Chmelar vs Edstrom is what's holding the trade. Don't see much difference to be honest since I don't think Chmelar's potential is far off from Edstrom's. Is there a reason you'd like to hold on to one vs the other?

 

[McRanger92]

Wait it out could be a week or a month. I agree he should get as much as trade protection as possible to guard against a top 10 pick

If the Rangers lose 3/4 the next week, the leverage shifts to Vancouver. We arent in a position of strength with our record like we have making in-season trades the last few years. Drury has tried this waiting game before and struck out.

 

[Rongomania]

And we have ZERO legit center prospects and ZERO puck moving defenseman .

What a strategy.

Should be the goal this draft/TDL but it won’t be.

JT Miller, get on back here we need you for the first round exit!!!

 

[Kocur Dill]

Miller beefed with Horvat and ran him out of town too so color me skeptical that it’s Pettersson’s fault Vancouver’s locker room sucks.

He’s also had plenty of in-game incidents that make him look like a total dick. Screaming at teammates on the ice, banging his stick on the goal to get the goalie to go to the bench even though the coach hadn't pulled him, arguing with Luke Schenn on their way off the ice after a period ended. Guy’s just an ass hole.

Maybe he could turn down the volumn from 11 to 8 or 9, but on the other hand...if Trouba, and McDonagh before him we more asshole as Captains and less buddies with their subordinates, there may have been a higher level of team success than what they achieved in their tenure. And stuck around a little longer.

MacKinnon has a reputation too. But Colorado wins. It also helps Lando and Rantanen are extra mile guys to so the room follows if they want to share the success.

IDK. I have preconceived ideas about locker room psychology having had many differnt coaches myself and vet players ahead of me in the room. There are times I wish i stood up and took the room when the vets we quite after getting our butts wooped and one period left in an elimination game. Its vital to success to have leaders in the room that lead. Lines can be crossed for sure, and that can have consequences. But i'd lay my health on the line for guys who'd do the same. When the designated leaders are ambivalent, the room follows.