Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[Boris Zubov]

The reason to be averse to it is exactly what he said, there’s no plan. It’s haphazard and signals that Drury, who two months ago wanted to rip this teams core arpart supposedly, now is willing to double down on it, trading younger assets and futures for a 32 year old forward. If you told me we were swapping Zibanejad for Miller and then selling off our rentals while looking ahead that would be different. But that’s not what is going to happen probably. This trade is fine in a vacuum, it’s not for where the rangers are at.

I replied earlier that I don't believe this would be the only move, but the start of bigger moves that probably continue in the summer.

I get the hesitation of this, I really do, but there's no way we can say no to this trade if it's Miller for Fil, Lindy & a 1st. Figure out the follow up moves later, but this deal is a lay-up.

 

[Siddi]

Geriatric grandpa out in full force I see

What happened to Larry being Drurys mouthpiece?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

If the plan involves acquiring good players for small returns that seems like a good plan to me. Just because he wants to add Miller now and can't immediately trade Kreider/Zibanejad doesn't mean he can't trade one of those guys in the future. The moves don't need to be made simultaneously.

Some of you guys are young and don't remember the NHL in the 1980s and early 1990s. It took a lot longer to change a team's core. Rangers had the Kissio led group for about three and a half seasons and a lot of them were still there when Messier got to New York. It took another two years for it to be an entirely Messier-led core.

 

[TGWL]

I replied earlier that I don't believe this would be the only move, but the start of bigger moves that probably continue in the summer.

I get the hesitation of this, I really do, but there's no way we can say no to this trade if it's Miller for Fil, Lindy & a 1st. Figure out the follow up moves later, but this deal is a lay up.

It would have to be this years 1st. Too much uncertainty with this core and the possibility of grabbing Gavin McKenna is enough to not move it. I doubt Vancouver wants a condition the 2026 which could push the 1st to 2027

 

[DanielBrassard]

If the plan involves acquiring good players for small returns that seems like a good plan to me. Just because he wants to add Miller now and can't immediately trade Kreider/Zibanejad doesn't mean he can't trade one of those guys in the future. The moves don't need to be made simultaneously.

They don’t have to but again, we are a month removed from Drury ripping this thing up, now we are trying to acquire another 32 year old center while giving up a younger player who’s good and a 1st for this season on a team that isn’t good enough to win. Trading Mika in the offseason and replacing him with who? Kreider could be traded at any time and isn’t really part of the discussion. Like I said it’s fine in a vacuum but in the rangers position I think it’s stupid.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I replied earlier that I don't believe this would be the only move, but the start of bigger moves that probably continue in the summer.

I get the hesitation of this, I really do, but there's no way we can say no to this trade if it's Miller for Fil, Lindy & a 1st. Figure out the follow up moves later, but this deal is a lay-up.

I’d just prefer to be patient and wait for a player to become available who is younger and fits this teams window to win better than Miller. Trading another 1st and whatever Lindgren returns as a rental plus Chytil is something I don’t think is good for the future of the organization. Could be wrong but that’s my feeling here

 

[IDvsEGO]

They don’t have to but again, we are a month removed from Drury ripping this thing up, now we are trying to acquire another 32 year old center while giving up a younger player who’s good and a 1st for this season on a team that isn’t good enough to win. Trading Mika in the offseason and replacing him with who? Kreider could be traded at any time and isn’t really part of the discussion. Like I said it’s fine in a vacuum but in the rangers position I think it’s stupid.

If the deal is miller for chytil lindgren and a first.
Then you likely move Mika in a separate deal (cap won’t work otherwise next year)

You’re moving lindgren, you’re getting a better player, who’s got less term on his deal.

You’re also getting a guy who is a true north south center, who has some grit to his game.

I like chytil. He’s also a massive injury risk.
He can’t stay healthy.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I’d just prefer to be patient and wait for a player to become available who is younger and fits this teams window to win better than Miller. Trading another 1st and whatever Lindgren returns as a rental plus Chytil is something I don’t think is good for the future of the organization. Could be wrong but that’s my feeling here

I get it, but with the way this team drafts & develops players, I'm not going to lose much sleep over a mid round 1st & an injury prone player like Fil, as much as I like him.

Plus it's not like they haven't picked in the first round in a couple of years like a decade ago, & I can envision Miller still putting up 80-90 points in 2-3 years once this roster is fully turned over.

 

[bernmeister]

Sending Berard down was really stupid. He was playing well and the exact style we need. Sending him down then was a great way to kill his confidence in himself and the org so we could what? Watch Kaliyev wander around? Watch Rempe lose a fight?

Trade Vesey for whatever and Smith. Get Berard back up here. Work on the Kreider trade and get Othmann up here. Stop f***ing around with these players for the old guys. Waste.

Rempe fight was ballpark even until he lost balance and slipped at the very end; he did not get beat up, hence he did not lose the fight.
To his credit, other guy tried to give as good as he got, but he got tagged, too,

Berard should be here and the guy to go = vesey

Don't see that happening done even if Miller said no to 30 other teams. Asking them to include a 1st is a bit of a stretch here.

fair 'nuf, but I think there is balance
whether this yr or next, their 1st is likely to be late
and it is not a 1st in a vacuum, but one mitigated vs getting our 2nd

As to the rest of it, Borgen + Sykora is enuf w/other pieces in the circumstances where it is understood jtm is available at high discount

Desharnais has been on the outs there. EF reported a few weeks ago that both parties want to move on.

He’s got one more year left at 2M. He’s a righty

He is also tall.
But he is a super slow pylon now
stay away no unless we get something for it as a backscratch in a larger deal

Could see the Rangers taking on Soucy or Myers as a Lindgren replacement.

Penguins firesale incoming? We've made deals with them a lot recently. Pettersson is a target for me.

do not want
accept growing pains
play da kids
Mancini etc

 

[SA16]

They don’t have to but again, we are a month removed from Drury ripping this thing up, now we are trying to acquire another 32 year old center while giving up a younger player who’s good and a 1st for this season on a team that isn’t good enough to win. Trading Mika in the offseason and replacing him with who? Kreider could be traded at any time and isn’t really part of the discussion. Like I said it’s fine in a vacuum but in the rangers position I think it’s stupid.

Well it's a younger player who is extremely unreliable and a 31 year old who is signed for five more years so I don't necessarily see it as a win now move. I don't know how good Miller will be in 3-4 years but his AAV is pretty low for what he brings and I would bet he is still better than Chytil at that point given Chytil is a big risk to not even be in the league at that point.

You can wait for a younger player but that player would also cost significantly more in a trade.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I do think they need to be careful with the conditions on the pick because Miller alone isn't enough to guarantee anything but him+Lindgren gone is a pretty big boost. I'm really more excited about the latter. The best this team has looked at any point over the last few years was when Lindgren and Trouba were out and this is a chance to make that happen for good. I realize there are other avenues to making this happen but if you want to try to make a run this year sooner is better.

Drury really needs to be in on moving the other big tickets though. If Mika and Panarin tell him to f*** off then thats the end of it, but Kreider shouldn't survive the summer (though if he goes, I imagine Mika would be more open to going too and Panarin is 1 year max after this.)

 

[CLW]

Miller is really good and the rumored costs don’t seem to be particularly expensive either and yet I just can’t get all the way on board.

JT Miller has an NMC until the summer of 2027-8 when it changes to a 15 team no trade list. No doubt he'll be launched from the Trouba trebuchet that very day. The Rangers will be a circus for several more years.

 

[RangerBoy]

Tom Dundon does not like to spend money. Miller has a big contract. $9M next season. $5M signing bonus next season. Rick on Donnie and Dhali mentioned Kotkaniemi has someone Vancouver could be interested in acquiring. His contract is much less than Miller. Dundon didn't want to pay RBA. Even Guentzel last June. The Rangers need to stick to their guns with the pick protection. Vancouver is the party looking to make a move. They decided 6 weeks ago to move Miller. Hold tight.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Tom Dundon does not like to spend money. Miller has a big contract. $9M next season. $5M signing bonus next season. Rick on Donnie and Dhali mentioned Kotkaniemi has someone Vancouver could be interested in acquiring. His contract is much less than Miller. Dundon didn't want to pay RBA. Even Guentzel last June. The Rangers need to stick to their guns with the pick protection. Vancouver is the party looking to make a move. They decided 6 weeks ago to move Miller. Hold tight.

Fantastic. Nightmare return for Vancouver either way. One step closer to Quinn demanding a trade out east. Imagine that rivalry??

 

[AirGut]

J.T. Miller almost a Ranger?!? Time for Carolina to wake up and try and swoop in for free gibs! Such an annoying franchise.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Speculation that the trade fell apart due to conditions on the 1st. So current assumption is that it was Chytil, Sykora, Chmelar, and a 1st, with Bo coming up to fill the open C spot. Someone will post the tweet im referring to, this is not confirmed, but personally not a fan of giving all that up for a lockerroom cancer that is about as locked up contractually as Zib.

I think it was Sykora or Chmelar, right?

 

[McRanger92]

Carolina entering the fray to drive up the price on the Rangers. JT’s preference better be NY or nowhere

 

[lakeshirts37]

Desharnais would make some sense as a bottom-pairing guy. Move Schneider up and play Desharnais with Vaak



Did I read somewhere that Quinn Hughes lauded Ryan Lindgren's leadership qualities while at USNDT? Or am I mis-remembering?

Clayton Keller

 

[LORDE]

Screw Drury & this franchise

 

[lakeshirts37]

Miller is a hick - I bet he’d love to be traded to Carolina. Really hope thats not his preference. would make me sick

 

[kovazub94]

But there still is no path to improve the team's two glaring pre-malaise deficiencies... puck moving from the defense, and speed at forward.

Even if you assume Mika, Kreider, Miller and Laf return to form and starts playing like they did last year (Odds on this?), this team still isn't close to a cup favorite.

From this and you earlier post it seems you don’t expect more moves prior to TDL. For argument sake if last season’s team had a capable 1LD instead of Lindgren, Miller instead of Chytil and healthy Fox and Trouba - it doesn’t have a much better chance against Panthers to face Oilers?
Thats how Drury probably sees it and at worst - it’s not without a reason. One way or another JTM won’t be the only move this season - one way or another.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Really it just comes down to whether you think a version of this team can win it all. If you do, you bring in a guy like Miller. If you don't, you start selling pieces of value over 30. I tend to be in camp 2.

This team will not win a cup in the next 2 years, especially without A SERIOUS upgrade to the defense and without serious improvement in their 5-on-5 play.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Wow I can’t even imagine what JT Miller would look like in a Rangers jersey

 

[effen]

Miller is a hick - I bet he’d love to be traded to Carolina. Really hope thats not his preference. would make me sick

Not much of a demand for his wife to launch her interior design brand in Raleigh.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Not much of a demand for his wife to launch her interior design brand in Raleigh.

Sure there is