Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[VancouverJagger]

I have no clue if you guys are gonna get JT Miller or not, but what he did tonight is exactly what he did in the playoffs for us, and for the last three seasons.

When he is engaged, he’s an absolute monster on the ice, McDavid probably absolutely hates him.

Yeah there's very little chance we come out ahead trading this guy. The hope is that Pettersson gets his head out of his ass and steps up ..........Going from Miller to whoever we replace him with is a def. downgrade in skill.

Most fans loved Miller the majority of the time he was with us. It's just gotten to a boiling point now where it appears the solution is gonna be to move on from him.

Wherever he goes I will cheer for him - he put a lot into our team and has been a pleasure for a large part of his time with us to cheer for.

Can he put the Rangers over the top? I dunno on that..........if you can somehow not get totally bent over in the summer flipping Zib then yeah he will def. help. He's a great player when his mind is in it......

 

[Savant]

Yeah, I'd agree that that value makes more sense. Though, there is likely an even lesser chance that Zib would waive to go to Chicago.

It’s another big market. It’s a change of scenery. He gets to play with Bedard, etc. We didn’t think he’d waive for Vancouver either but apparently that’s not the issue. Either way if he goes, it’s either going to be to a big market and/or no state income tax team so he gets a raise. I don’t think he cares about going to a cup contender

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'm just that afraid of Zibanejad's contract. Replacing him with a better player on a cheaper contract, who can actually be moved or bought out if he starts floundering, would be pretty huge.

That said, it's probably moot anyway, because Zibanejad's contract is completely immoveable. He basically has to be begged to accept a trade, or put on LTIR forever.

I agree about moving Mika for JT just prefer not to include a 1st. I don't think Mika is unmovable anymore than Reeves, Trouba and Goody were. Teams will take chances on guys with scoring histories. Mika isn't going to stay too long if the team makes it clear they don't want him.

 

[TGWL]

Lol Borgen is not better than Kakko no matter how well Borgen has played as a stay at home defenseman. I mean cmon people

Borgen is playing better than Kakko was playing here. Borgen vs what you see Kakko doing now or what you felt Kakko could do is different.

 

[McRanger92]

Yeah there's very little chance we come out ahead trading this guy. The hope is that Pettersson gets his head out of his ass and steps up ..........Going from Miller to whoever we replace him with is a def. downgrade in skill.

Most fans loved Miller the majority of the time he was with us. It's just gotten to a boiling point now where it appears the solution is gonna be to move on from him.

Wherever he goes I will cheer for him - he put a lot into our team and has been a pleasure for a large part of his time with us to cheer for.

Can he put the Rangers over the top? I dunno on that..........if you can somehow not get totally bent over in the summer flipping Zib then yeah he will def. help. He's a great player when his mind is in it......

I have always thought the "locker room issue" stuff was a NY fan creation. Any Canucks fan I ever talked to spoke highly of him. He is a throwback to the type of player the Rangers have not had since he was here the first time. I hope it gets done and I hope the Rangers and Canucks meet again in the Cup someday because what a great story that would be lol.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

What’s does a realistic JTM trade look like? Mika would have to waive and go the other way and we would have to add. Is it something like…

JT/8, Forbort/1.5, and Raty for Mika/8.5, Key 50%/1.94, amd BMB?

 

[DanielBrassard]

I’m not against trading Lafreniere at all, but to do it for 32 year old J.T. Miller is unconscionable. How in the f*** is the GM who was ranting and raving because the team got embarrassed for two games after starting out 12-4-1 now doubling down on the same team? At least the Tkachuk rumors made sense considering age and need.

This team is rudderless, the GM is a bonehead.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think if Laf were really on the table this trade would have been completed.

Larry Whistledown likes to play GM and when he does he usually sounds pretty dumb.

Also what are we doing with Wolfshit 55? He can’t be here.

 

[VancouverJagger]

What’s does a realistic JTM trade look like? Mika would have to waive and go the other way and we would have to add. Is it something like…

JT/8, Forbort/1.5, and Raty for Mika/8.5, Key 50%/1.94, amd BMB?

I don't see Zib coming back - if that was the case it would have been done already.

Chytil some prospects and a draft pick or 2 would be my guess. Not sure if a first would need to be included but if not you would assume something like a 2nd and 3rd or 2 2nds. Maybe another roster player included also to add some salary.....

For those of you up in arms about Laff I think Chytil makes a lot more sense for the Nucks. Little chance we are trading him without a Center coming back.

 

[effen]

I always knew some people cared more about counting stats on high draft picks than actually winning games but you guys don't have to make it so obvious.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Every time I read "they arent winning with this core" and think they were 2 wins away from the Finals TWICE i really question reality. Seriously they could of been a bounce or two away. I also think they beat the Oilers last year if they got by Florida. This team despite the horrible run a few weeks ago should be a playoff team and should walk over many of the teams in the playoffs as of this moment. They just need to step up to how they previously played.

 

[Savant]

I think if Laf were really on the table this trade would have been completed.

Larry Whistledown likes to play GM and when he does he usually sounds pretty dumb.

Also what are we doing with Wolfshit 55? He can’t be here.

I think it’s much more likely Vancouver got cold feet

 

[effen]

I think if Laf were really on the table this trade would have been completed.

Larry Whistledown likes to play GM and when he does he usually sounds pretty dumb.

Also what are we doing with Wolfshit 55? He can’t be here.

Trading Igor right after his extension as a consensus top 3 goalie in the league: GASP there's no way, stuck with him.

Trading Laf right after his extension as someone with actually less points than Kaapo Kakko: Righto, see that fits my narrative to be done with the Rangers that Drury is an idiot pizza boy, so yeah thats totally believable for me right now.

 

[bernmeister]

As I said this week the JT stuff feels Rick Nash, MSL, Patty Kane esque. It seems inevitable. Curious to see how it plays out, but the Rangers need to keep this hot streak going. If Drury makes a bad trade it's completely on him. Canucks are desperate, JT wants to be here and the Rangers are finally playing well again.

Chytil, Mancini, Sykora, Chmelar, Rangers 1st (lottery protected unless they win the Cup) for JT and Boeser (50% RETAINED)

Thats my final offer.

no no no
stop w/desperation moves
stop w/win now bs
build a young foundation

bad enuf we have to seize opportunity and take JTM [IF IF IF he is insisting to only come here] and accept the good with the bad

no on adding Boeser

I'm just that afraid of Zibanejad's contract. Replacing him with a better player on a cheaper contract, who can actually be moved or bought out if he starts floundering, would be pretty huge.

That said, it's probably moot anyway, because Zibanejad's contract is completely immoveable. He basically has to be begged to accept a trade, or put on LTIR forever.

unless there is an actual injury, we can't LTIR him
we have to pay him, don't have to play him
we should deal Fox b'c it is profitable, side benefit is it sends a message
regardless, zib should sit, indefinitely
that will eventually break him

then just take whatev we get in scraps instead of paying to move him
accept 50% max retain

Is Sean Avery still an option? Fire Drury already.

STOP
don't replace 1 idiot w/another

What’s does a realistic JTM trade look like? Mika would have to waive and go the other way and we would have to add. Is it something like…

JT/8, Forbort/1.5, and Raty for Mika/8.5, Key 50%/1.94, amd BMB?

while I'm not saying it is 111% impossible, it is truly a nonstarter that makes it more difficult to do this with both in the same deal

we get over on VAN in a separate jtm deal [if he limits it to us]
they get over on us in a sep zib deal

 

[NYR Viper]

Chytil + prospects for Miller + Hoglander

Get it done with Vancouver retaining $1m. No picks

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think it’s much more likely Vancouver got cold feet

I don't think they would have had cold feet if Laf were in the deal. They've been after him for a while.

 

[DuneGoon84]

Every time I read "they arent winning with this core" and think they were 2 wins away from the Finals TWICE i really question reality. Seriously they could of been a bounce or two away. I also think they beat the Oilers last year if they got by Florida. This team despite the horrible run a few weeks ago should be a playoff team and should walk over many of the teams in the playoffs as of this moment. They just need to step up to how they previously played.

You must be blind. For the past 4 years this core sucked at 5v5 and guess what? It's gotten worse to the point of no return. If you can't see the obvious then it is what it is.

 

[bernmeister]

I don't see Zib coming back - if that was the case it would have been done already.

Chytil some prospects and a draft pick or 2 would be my guess. Not sure if a first would need to be included but if not you would assume something like a 2nd and 3rd or 2 2nds. Maybe another roster player included also to add some salary.....

For those of you up in arms about Laff I think Chytil makes a lot more sense for the Nucks. Little chance we are trading him without a Center coming back.

the situation for each club needs to be respected

it would be nice if everything could be simplified, but Occam's Razor is overrated and not always right, Reality is often complicated.

2 sep deals if jt has said only a deal to Rs
ny gets over that deal
Van gets over on zib to 'nucks

zib is saying no. 'I think it can be impressed on him that he will sit indefinitely and that is not a good look for him to explain to daddy's little girtl
that is not enuf to accept VAN
but
I think if there is a public disclosure that zib is being treated like a rental, and if it is not a comfy fit, they will immediately this offseason try to accommodate w/relocation, pref to his choice

I think with THAT he waives

zib max reduced to 4.25 per
for
Raty, Juulsen, Forbot, Desharnais

that weakens D but all lower end you can juggle, plus possible
Elias Pett + for Dobson +

possible ana involved paid multiple 6th to eat 1.75 per on Zib's $$ to get cap

as to jtm to here
I am sure we can find a common ground

 

[RGY]

Borgen is playing better than Kakko was playing here. Borgen vs what you see Kakko doing now or what you felt Kakko could do is different.

Is he? All the statistics indicated positive play from Kakko. The Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko line still ranks as one of the top lines this year based on the advanced metrics. So is Borgen really better here than Kakko was? I highly doubt that. Borgen plays a different position and is playing on a level of a #4 defenseman that we desperately needed, but that doesn’t mean overall he is better than what Kakko was here. Kakko’s options were Kreider-Mika or the 3rd line. Pucks are going in for him and his teammates in Seattle. Maybe the problem is the personnel here. Maybe we shouldn’t have given up on a 24 year old Number 2 overall pick.

Btw, I like Borgen. I think we needed a guy like him badly. Defense has startled to settle. Miller looks comfortable with him. But not at the expense of Kakko.

And now you have LB tossing Lafreniere’s name out there. Like wtf is Drury doing. This isn’t 1994. The team isnt on pace to win the President’s Trophy justifying mortgaging your youth for 30+ year olds like we did with Amonte, Weight, etc. This team may not make the playoffs.

Smh

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You must be blind. For the past 4 years this core sucked at 5v5 and guess what? It's gotten worse to the point of no return. If you can't see the obvious then it is what it is.

I don't think the problem is really that. They came close, that much is true and as much as people don't want to acknowledge it, it happened.

The problem is they keep doubling, tripling and perhaps quadrupling down on players like wolfshit 55 who are horrible and hurt way more than they help. I don't think they had a perfect forward group last year, far from it.

They could have won the entire f***ing thing with competent bodies in place of 8 and 55. Those guys killed them.

It doesn't help that the forwards are collectively worse this year than they were last year. The entire top 6 regressed and while it's gotten slightly better, it still isn't good. If they add Miller and Keep Zibanejad (for now) it gives them that vaunted CENTUR DEPTHHH!! But their biggest issues still remain.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

This is why they want him. They want Miller as the new captain. They are going to give him the keys. Hypothetically If they want to break up the country club atmosphere you want Millers “brand” of leadership. I don’t know that it is that Miller is a bad team mate/locker room guy. I think you probably have a situation in Vancouver where the locker room is split in the middle with to polar opposite personality types. Drury probably thinks you trade for Miller, give him the C, and let him set the tone. Is any of this a good idea? I have no idea, but you can see Drury’s logic. It’s certainly not what I would do, but here we are.

Agree that's probably his thinking. I remember back when Miller was with the Rangers this was also a question and it was a constant rumor that his personality is a major reason why the rangers traded him in the first place. I have no real basis to say he's a bad teammate other than rumors but usually when there is smoke, there is fire. The other aspect is that it has become clear that Drury is a major asshole himself so he probably discounts that in other people.

 

[bernmeister]

Chytil + prospects for Miller + Hoglander

Get it done with Vancouver retaining $1m. No picks

no adding Boeser or Hogl
stop adding vets = foolish win now

 

[noncents]

Walman is going for a first imo. Why the hell did detroit trade him for nothing? Makes me think something behind the scenes?

my tinfoil hat is that Stevie Y was making room for Trouba, who nixed it.

Walman will def cost a 1st. if we're trading chytil + Hartforders for JTM, then you have to get Walman too.

 

[GAGLine]

What’s does a realistic JTM trade look like? Mika would have to waive and go the other way and we would have to add. Is it something like…

JT/8, Forbort/1.5, and Raty for Mika/8.5, Key 50%/1.94, amd BMB?

That doesn't make much sense. For starters, I can't see Mika waiving for Vancouver. And whatever anyone thinks of K'Andre, trading him for 32-year-old Forbort is a really bad idea.

Then again, trading for J.T Miller is just a really bad idea, so I'm not expecting to be happy no matter what if this ends up happening. We're going to end up making the team older, not winning, and being even worse off when the bill eventually comes due.

 

[Savant]

Agree that's probably his thinking. I remember back when Miller was with the Rangers this was also a question and it was a constant rumor that his personality is a major reason why the rangers traded him in the first place. I have no real basis to say he's a bad teammate other than rumors but usually when there is smoke, there is fire. The other aspect is that it has become clear that Drury is a major asshole himself so he probably discounts that in other people.

Yeah I mean Miller to me sounds like he is trying to go the MacKinnon route of leadership; which is great if you are winning Harts and Cups, but if you aren’t probably plays out a bit like it’s going in Vancouver. But again I don’t think anyone in Colorado is really challenging MacKinnons approach (especially with Landeskog in limbo) either. I do think if you want a guy like that at the helm he has to either be the captain/or best player to set that tone. But again, if everyone here wants to get rid of the country club Rangers, you can’t really go “No, not like that”