Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[will1066]

Don't speak that into existence.

I'm manifesting abundance

 

[effen]

I don’t understand why people think Kakko doesn’t compare to Buchnevich.

Buchnevich developed for 5 years (21-25) at the NHL level and never cracked 21 G or 48 P. Was traded before his age 26 season.

Kakko developed for 5.5 years (18-23) and never cracked 18 G or 40 P. Was traded at 23 midseason.

Both were guys the team was grooming to be a top 6 RW.

Both were traded for less than their perceived future value.

The only difference is Buchnevich was consistently mid and Kakko dealt with injuries and Covid so his production was less. Kakko was arguably a more effective player, putting aside points, than Buch was with the Rangers.

Buchnevich played on the 1st line on and off for years. What is this gaslighting lmao

 

[TominNC]

I always appreciated that Bern uses this thread for exactly what it is: a thread where posters waste their time playing NHL Be a GM mode and cook up trades and signings in their head that won't happen 99% of the time.

At least Bern's creative about it.

Still a waste of time

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't know, I tell @bernmeister he's crazy all the time, and I never found him combative about it.

You've never seen him ranting and raving about his haters as if he's the President of the United States?

 

[Machinehead]

You've never seen him ranting and raving about his haters as if he's the President of the United States?

I don't think he's that serious about it.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't think he's that serious about it.

I think people underrate him. I had a convo in DMs once thinking he'll drop the persona and he was exactly the same way.

 

[nyr2k2]

Reilly Smith is excellent. Always has been and will be until he's too old. A player I've admired for a long time.

The guy is a Honda at even strength. It's not a Lambo, but he's as reliable as the day is long. Drives play in the right direction like clockwork.

He would have been a hell of a move if we were better equipped to contend this year.

Yeah Reilly Smith I think has a chance to exceed the predicted return I posted. He can play in all situations and he still has some upside offensively. I can see a team really liking him and thinking he can be an all situations forward who can provide pop in the middle six and going to a second, or a second plus a mid prospect for him.

 

[Machinehead]

I think people underrate him. I had a convo in DMs once thinking he'll drop the persona and he was exactly the same way.

Oh, it's 100% real. I met bern, he's a good guy. Very creative.

What I mean is, I don't think he really dies on the hill. I do. I take things personally. I find bern very chill.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah Reilly Smith I think has a chance to exceed the predicted return I posted. He can play in all situations and he still has some upside offensively. I can see a team really liking him and thinking he can be an all situations forward who can provide pop in the middle six and going to a second, or a second plus a mid prospect for him.

He's the total package in terms of an attractive deadline offer.

He's actually good, he's got intangibles that he can actually back up, and he's also got intangibles that you can spin (he's a #veteran now!)

 

[bhamill]

In my opinion, people are entitled to have a bit of fun in roster building. If it's too rich for your blood, you don't have to engage with it.

Exactly. I have to be in a certain mindset to digest some of the roster "creativity" I see on here. Wild or no, it's not hurting anyone. I just scroll right past.

I would have appreciated it a lot more if his posts were in jest like Ed's are. But he's 100% serious and rants and raves about his haters when people tell him they're unrealistic.

WAIT... @EdJovanovski is kidding?!?
What next? Santa isn't real?

You've never seen him ranting and raving about his haters as if he's the President of the United States?

President ELECT for a few more days...

 

[NYR Viper]

He's the total package in terms of an attractive deadline offer.

He's actually good, he's got intangibles that he can actually back up, and he's also got intangibles that you can spin (he's a #veteran now!)

And he appears to be a low maintenance player who could play with pretty much anyone

 

[EdJovanovski]

I don’t understand why people think Kakko doesn’t compare to Buchnevich.

Buchnevich developed for 5 years (21-25) at the NHL level and never cracked 21 G or 48 P. Was traded before his age 26 season.

Kakko developed for 5.5 years (18-23) and never cracked 18 G or 40 P. Was traded at 23 midseason.

Both were guys the team was grooming to be a top 6 RW.

Both were traded for less than their perceived future value.

The only difference is Buchnevich was consistently mid and Kakko dealt with injuries and Covid so his production was less. Kakko was arguably a more effective player, putting aside points, than Buch was with the Rangers.

This is missing a lot of context lol, in Kakko’s case he never even paced for more than a 40pt season. Buch had 48pts in 53gp, that season he was nearly a PPG and one of the best PK’ers in the league. Even the season before that had 46 in 68 (55pt pace), season before that 49pt pace, season before that; 48pt pace.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This is missing a lot of context lol, in Kakko’s case he never even paced for more than a 40pt season. Buch had 48pts in 53gp, that season he was nearly a PPG and one of the best PK’ers in the league. Even the season before that had 46 in 68 (55pt pace), season before that 49pt pace, season before that; 48pt pace.

Buch also played in a lower scoring league. I can't stand when people only bring up points and not games played to try to win an argument. It's so sleazy.

 

[TGWL]

I don’t understand why people think Kakko doesn’t compare to Buchnevich.

Buchnevich developed for 5 years (21-25) at the NHL level and never cracked 21 G or 48 P. Was traded before his age 26 season.

Kakko developed for 5.5 years (18-23) and never cracked 18 G or 40 P. Was traded at 23 midseason.

Both were guys the team was grooming to be a top 6 RW.

Both were traded for less than their perceived future value.

The only difference is Buchnevich was consistently mid and Kakko dealt with injuries and Covid so his production was less. Kakko was arguably a more effective player, putting aside points, than Buch was with the Rangers.

We just gonna' pretend that he didn't play only 54 games in that season, pace for 55 the previous season, or or pace above .5 in every season but his first where he played 41 games and had 20 points?

The difference is Buchnevich skated and was better.

I see the stat comparison was already addressed. It wasn't happening here with Kakko. Fans need to get over it. You could have put him on the 1st line every game and it wasn't happening.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think people underrate him. I had a convo in DMs once thinking he'll drop the persona and he was exactly the same way.

He’s committed to the role.

The persona is hilarious IMO. He’s out there but I totally picture him kicking back with a glass of scotch and snickering at some of the responses to him.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

He’s committed to the role.

The persona is hilarious IMO. He’s out there but I totally picture him kicking back with a glass of scotch and snickering at some of the responses to him.

I don't see that. Maybe I'm projecting because I'm 100% authentic. I do in fact flip my shit at goaltenders and the Rangers.

 

[JohnC]

He’s committed to the role.

The persona is hilarious IMO. He’s out there but I totally picture him kicking back with a glass of scotch and snickering at some of the responses to him.

It's made even funnier if you assume it's Bernie Sanders behind the keyboard

 

[bhamill]

We just gonna' pretend that he didn't play only 54 games in that season, pace for 55 the previous season, or or pace above .5 in every season but his first where he played 41 games and had 20 points?

The difference is Buchnevich skated and was better.

I see the stat comparison was already addressed. It wasn't happening here with Kakko. Fans need to get over it. You could have put him on the 1st line every game and it wasn't happening.

We also aren't comparing them at the same ages/stage of development when we talk about what year in the league they were. for instance Buch scored 20pts in 41 games in his D+4 (his first NHL season) and Kakko scored a comparable 40pts in 82 games in his D+4. Buch had a much better D+5 than KK, while Kakko had a major knee injury. Their D+6's Buch scored 0.59PPg Kakko is currently at 0.54PPG overall, but 0.75PPG with Seattle. We will have to see if he maintains that.
The real difference is that Buch was way more accomplished by the time he was traded. Kakko may or may not be similarly accomplished at 25 (the season after which we traded Buch), but the fact is he was NOT as accomplished as Buch when dealt.

 

[JohnC]

I would have appreciated it a lot more if his posts were in jest like Ed's are. But he's 100% serious and rants and raves about his haters when people tell him they're unrealistic.

Bern is a much more appreciated member of this board than Ed Jovo is. I’ve been here for 12 years and Bern’s been a mainstay the entire time.

Ed Jovo is user Pavel Buchnevich if they decided to stay here instead of running away to the main boards.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Jim Cerny Forever Blue Shirts Podcast:

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Bern is a much more appreciated member of this board than Ed Jovo is. I’ve been here for 12 years and Bern’s been a mainstay the entire time.

Ed Jovo is user Pavel Buchnevich if they decided to stay here instead of running away to the main boards.

I don't think so. Pavel Buchnevich takes his opinion very seriously and thinks he's an expert. Ed Jovo has weird takes that he clearly doesn't take seriously and some of his more serious takes are more WWE than NHL. But he's very different than the self styled scout Pavel Buchnevich. Also, I used to dislike PB but I've seen growth in his posts and don't cringe anymore. Wouldn't mind him back here.

Also, I was 100% sure you were going to say that Bern is a much more appreciated member of this board than me, lol.