Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[CommaSynapse]

I'm not worried about Dolan at all. He's just vibing. He's 69 years old (nice) and this team that he probably bought for like $6 is worth 3.5 billion. He's not as involved as he used to be.

When you tell him "let's spend $20 million and the rebuild I promised will be over" and then the team still sucks, he might notice.

Hell, this guy might have the longest fuse in the NHL right now. Glen Sather was still employed until June.

If anything, I'm concerned that Dolan hasn't blown his fuse enough at the people running this team.

Dolan just doesn't care about the Rangers, for both better and worse. Better in that he's not stepping in and making decisions he's not knowledgeable about, but worse in that he's not demanding results.

As long as the whole thing's profitable, Dolan seems to be just fine with the status quo, and we can see the Rangers are profitable.

I don't know that we'll ever see a true rebuild because the Rangers don't need to have success on the ice to be financially viable. There's not a fuse to blow.

 

[Machinehead]

Dolan just doesn't care about the Rangers, for both better and worse. Better in that he's not stepping in and making decisions he's know knowledgeable about, but worse in that he's not demanding results.

As long as the whole thing's profitable, Dolan seems to be just fine with the status quo, and we can see the Rangers are profitable.

I don't know that we'll ever see a true rebuild because the Rangers don't need to have success on the ice to be financially viable. There's not a fuse to blow.

The hope is that he'll hire somebody who gives a f*** and has a plan. It should be a low bar.

Drury was Gorton's AGM, and Gorton was Sather's AGM, so I do fear that we're still just getting sap from the same tree.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

My concern with signing Igor long term had nothing to do with him, it was that i felt and still do that Garand is a future #1 in the league and we could be paying him league minimum to do the job in a year or two. Made no sense to me, especially the full nmc

The hope is that he'll hire somebody who gives a f*** and has a plan. It should be a low bar.

Drury was Gorton's AGM, and Gorton was Sather's AGM, so I do fear that we're still just getting sap from the same tree.

I've never been a fan of the same guy being president and gm, gm needs to be accountable to someone.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately Panarin’s playoff struggles have tainted his legacy and some people will let it cloud their judgement of him, fair enough. Let’s not overlook the fact that he’s had some of the best years in the history of this franchise. Last season at age 32 he was a legitimate hart candidate. He’s carried this team offensively forever. At some point he was going to look his age and it’s been happening more frequently this season.

I’m not against trading him either because it’s doubtful this team wins before his contract is up, but to try to place a lot of the blame on this teams failures on Panarin is crazy to me.

Regular season PPG from 2021-22 to 23-24

Panarin - 1.29
Zibanejad - 1.00
Kreider - 0.85

Playoff PPG from 2021-22 to 23-24

Panarin - 0.77 (-0.52)
Zibanejad - 1.02 (+0.02)
Kreider - 0.86 (+0.01)

I get it, hes been a fabulous regular season player for this team but he's been a f***ing dud and a half in the playoffs and we can't just gloss over that fact. Those games f***ing matter and his inability to produce anywhere close to his regular season rate is a big reason why. He hasn't just struggled, he's flat out atomic bombed. A half point+ under his regular season production rate is... the biggest drop off I remember seeing for a star player.

He hasn't been the biggest issue, I think they could have won last year if they had competent bodies in place of Lindgren and Trouba even with Panarin doing what he does. I'll go as far as saying that Drury's biggest failure as a GM hasn't been the Buchnevich trade, it's been his refusal to address the defense after 2022 when it became clear thats what needed to be upgraded and instead tripled down on virtually the same group.

But I don't see how anyone can argue that it hasn't been a big part of this team's failures. Going from hart worthy to JAG is going to impact anyone's ability to win. The bromance have out performed him when it matters and they get shat on mercilessly here.

Panarin doesn't deserve any more grace than they get.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Dolan just doesn't care about the Rangers, for both better and worse. Better in that he's not stepping in and making decisions he's not knowledgeable about, but worse in that he's not demanding results.

As long as the whole thing's profitable, Dolan seems to be just fine with the status quo, and we can see the Rangers are profitable.

I don't know that we'll ever see a true rebuild because the Rangers don't need to have success on the ice to be financially viable. There's not a fuse to blow.

I'm convinced he used Rangers money to pay the likes of Isaiah Thomas.

 

[McRanger92]

The hope is that he'll hire somebody who gives a f*** and has a plan. It should be a low bar.

Drury was Gorton's AGM, and Gorton was Sather's AGM, so I do fear that we're still just getting sap from the same tree.

Drury fits the bill as the most proactive GM in the league as one executive said in that Athletic article. The problem is that he's in over his head as President, which is supposed to be someone like Sather or Davidson with some clout around the league. He was in over his head as Rangers captain as well when Jagr, like Gorton and JD, left unceremoniously.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Regular season PPG from 2021-22 to 23-24

Panarin - 1.29
Zibanejad - 1.00
Kreider - 0.85

Playoff PPG from 2021-22 to 23-24

Panarin - 0.77 (-0.52)
Zibanejad - 1.02 (+0.02)
Kreider - 0.86 (+0.01)

I get it, hes been a fabulous regular season player for this team but he's been a f***ing dud and a half in the playoffs and we can't just gloss over that fact. Those games f***ing matter and his inability to produce anywhere close to his regular season rate is a big reason why. He hasn't just struggled, he's flat out atomic bombed. A half point+ under his regular season production rate is... the biggest drop off I remember seeing for a star player.

He hasn't been the biggest issue, I think they could have won last year if they had competent bodies in place of Lindgren and Trouba even with Panarin doing what he does. I'll go as far as saying that Drury's biggest failure as a GM hasn't been the Buchnevich trade, it's been his refusal to address the defense after 2022 when it became clear thats what needed to be upgraded and instead tripled down on virtually the same group.

But I don't see how anyone can argue that it hasn't been a big part of this team's failures. Going from hart worthy to JAG is going to impact anyone's ability to win. The bromance have out performed him when it matters and they get shat on mercilessly here.

Panarin doesn't deserve any more grace than they get.

The problem is playoff scoring is volatile. Panarin by all measures had a much better playoff last season than Zibanejad and Kreider. I’ll grant you 2022 wasn’t good enough and 2023 was abysmal for Panarin. That being said he’s still been the best player we’ve had since Messier up front, he’s been a top-5 winger at worst and without him this team is who knows where. Maybe that would have been a good thing in hindsight lol.

 

[haohmaru]

Regular season PPG from 2021-22 to 23-24

Panarin - 1.29
Zibanejad - 1.00
Kreider - 0.85

Playoff PPG from 2021-22 to 23-24

Panarin - 0.77 (-0.52)
Zibanejad - 1.02 (+0.02)
Kreider - 0.86 (+0.01)

Good thing we won't have to worry about that playoff scoring shit this year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

25 year old in the khl having a good year, think his name is Kravtsov lol

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Listen we all know the plan to acquire a 1C

It’s throw a shitload of money at McDavid or Eichel in 2026

 

[Machinehead]

Listen we all know the plan to acquire a 1C

It’s throw a shitload of money at McDavid or Eichel in 2026

If that's the plan, then suck ass until then and draft two more centers.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If that's the plan, then suck ass until then and draft two more centers.

The problem is there's no way in hell Draisaitl signed in Edmonton without knowing a McDavid contract was coming. Kaprisov i could see coming but it would be a huge contract.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If that's the plan, then suck ass until then and draft two more centers.

Chris Drury will finally get his man Jack Eichel in July 2026. And then 6 months later Eichel’s back will dissolve to dust lmao

 

[DanielBrassard]

Listen we all know the plan to acquire a 1C

It’s throw a shitload of money at McDavid or Eichel in 2026

Is there another realistic plan to find one? The only other hope is to get lucky in the draft.

 

[TominNC]

Regular season PPG from 2021-22 to 23-24

Panarin - 1.29
Zibanejad - 1.00
Kreider - 0.85

Playoff PPG from 2021-22 to 23-24

Panarin - 0.77 (-0.52)
Zibanejad - 1.02 (+0.02)
Kreider - 0.86 (+0.01)

I get it, hes been a fabulous regular season player for this team but he's been a f***ing dud and a half in the playoffs and we can't just gloss over that fact. Those games f***ing matter and his inability to produce anywhere close to his regular season rate is a big reason why. He hasn't just struggled, he's flat out atomic bombed. A half point+ under his regular season production rate is... the biggest drop off I remember seeing for a star player.

He hasn't been the biggest issue, I think they could have won last year if they had competent bodies in place of Lindgren and Trouba even with Panarin doing what he does. I'll go as far as saying that Drury's biggest failure as a GM hasn't been the Buchnevich trade, it's been his refusal to address the defense after 2022 when it became clear thats what needed to be upgraded and instead tripled down on virtually the same group.

But I don't see how anyone can argue that it hasn't been a big part of this team's failures. Going from hart worthy to JAG is going to impact anyone's ability to win. The bromance have out performed him when it matters and they get shat on mercilessly here.

Panarin doesn't deserve any more grace than they get.

Keep pushing your agenda. We've got it memorized, but you be you

 

[effen]

The problem is there's no way in hell Draisaitl signed in Edmonton without knowing a McDavid contract was coming. Kaprisov i could see coming but it would be a huge contract.

Yes there is. You get the bag because injuries exist, THEN you worry about it the rest.

 

[NYR Viper]

If that's the plan, then suck ass until then and draft two more centers.

Of the plan is to go ham in 2026 in UFA, then making moves at this deadline to bring in future pieces is a fantastic game plan. Stockpile inexpensive quality youth and create the necessary cap space

 

[effen]

If that's the plan, then suck ass until then and draft two more centers.

This is *very* much the obvious play IMO. Whether they do it or not, I doubt it. But the only way to realistic (< 5 years away) Cup contention is a 2 year reload and 2026 you monetize your assets to get good then.

Things like this occur to real life GMs too, they're not stupid. But they also probably won't have that job in 2026 at that rate. You'd need a lot of security. Doug Armstrong level security.

 

[NYR Viper]

Is there another realistic plan to find one? The only other hope is to get lucky in the draft.

The proper course is do both. That’s the winning course. Draft 2-3 centers with high end potential and then go sign McDavid

 

[MrAlmost]

25 year old in the khl having a good year, think his name is Kravtsov lol

There is a better 24 year old that the Rangers should throw everything at this summer. Shabanov.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The problem is playoff scoring is volatile. Panarin by all measures had a much better playoff last season than Zibanejad and Kreider. I’ll grant you 2022 wasn’t good enough and 2023 was abysmal for Panarin. That being said he’s still been the best player we’ve had since Messier up front, he’s been a top-5 winger at worst and without him this team is who knows where. Maybe that would have been a good thing in hindsight lol.

I don’t think you can call 3 straight runs where he was underwhelming volatile. The only thing that’s been volatile is the level of how bad he has been.

Last year was clearly the best of his 3 runs and they don’t beat Carolina with out his contributions but it’s not lost on me that he was virtually a non factor in the other 2 series. He was coming off of the second most productive regular season in franchise history. He was the 3rd best player on his line in the playoffs.

This is a star player who for a long while was the 2nd highest paid player in the sport. He hasn’t had a single run where he was this teams leading scorer in the playoffs.

No one should be accepting of this.

I’d take a lesser regular season player for a bigger post season difference maker in a heart beat.

Keep pushing your agenda. We've got it memorized, but you be you

It’s not an agenda to say that Panarin has been a historic post season under performer as a Ranger. This is fact.

Won’t let the excuse parade run through this place for this guy.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Vancouver media. All of the Canucks are sick of Miller's act. Miller had an issue with Henrik which led to the TB trade?

So the obvious answer for us is to trade for JT miller bc he’s a leader haha

 

[NYR Viper]

Again, if the concern is that Zibanejad’s contract is pretty much buyout proof than trading him for Miller makes sense. Miller’s is better on that front and he makes $500k less a season. He’s also a superior player in general.

Outside of a deal based mainly around Zibanejad for Miller though, I’m out.

 

[Greg02]

If it were up to me, my approach would be:

• Get a top prospect close to the NHL (preferably at D) and a first for Panarin at 50% retained at the deadline
• Get a first for Kreider
• Trade Lindgren for a second or similar
• Opportunistically listen on Trocheck, but I want a big return if we're trading him
• Turn the keys over to Lafreniere, Perrault, and Chytil on the offensive side and see what shakes out with ice time
• Have 20 real NHLers on the roster-- build depth in lieu of stars
• Get ready for a big free agency splash if it's available in 2026

 

[noncents]

I'm not worried about Dolan at all. He's just vibing. He's 69 years old (nice) and this team that he probably bought for like $6 is worth 3.5 billion. He's not as involved as he used to be.

you don't know what you're talking about