Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[ThePeoplesPeople]

I can't wait for Panarin to be gone. The entire team defers to him so he can miss the net or turn the puck over in the dumbest way possible. There's a good team in there when their 2 highest goal scorers aren't complete chumps.

He has 66 goals since the start of last season lol. He turns the puck over because no one else on the entire team, besides Laf a few times every 10 games, and Chytil (in the 15% of games that he plays), can make ANYTHING happen. And when he does turn it over, he puts pressure on the opposing player and gets it back pretty often. If everyone gave the effort he does, we'd be better off.

He's so far down the list of problems. Not only do I hope he's not "gone", I hope we bring him back at a reasonable cost. He'll turn 35 shortly after opening night of 2026. I would think he'd like to spend the rest of his career here. Kopitar, Marchand, Malkin all make $6-7 AAV. Panarin 3x7.

 

[McRanger92]

He has 66 goals since the start of last season lol. He turns the puck over because no one else on the entire team, besides Laf a few times every 10 games, and Chytil (in the 15% of games that he plays), can make ANYTHING happen. And when he does turn it over, he puts pressure on the opposing player and gets it back pretty often. If everyone gave the effort he does, we'd be better off.

He's so far down the list of problems. Not only do I hope he's not "gone", I hope we bring him back at a reasonable cost. He'll turn 35 shortly after opening night of 2026. I would think he'd like to spend the rest of his career here. Kopitar, Marchand, Malkin all make $6-7 AAV. Panarin 3x7.

Respect your opinion but I'm good on Panarin, Kopitar & Malkin and Marchand also have something Panarin doesnt.

 

[leetch99]

Imo they need a trade. It looks like Kreider is not movable right now so for me I'd move Lindgren, Smith, Jones in a package or for some picks that can be used to land a top 4 dmen . For me you end up with

Panarin Trochek Kaliyev
Cuylle Chytil Lafreniere
Kreider Zib Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

Dman Fox
Miller Borgen
Vaak Schneider

We need to find more scoring from within, maybe the recreated kid line gets Lafreniere going and maybe Panarin unlocks Kaliyev. Get Berard back up to play jesper fast on the zib line. Id like Othmann in the lineup as well as berard, that would likely only happe after a Kreider trade imo.

It is definitely worth a shot . We are not getting much offense as it is now . I wish Othmann could have stayed healthy and we might have been able to move Kreider by now for a dman as well .

 

[NYR Viper]

No teams are going to make moves, it requires more cap space. Teams are going to try to accrue as much as they can leading up to the deadline.

The guy I am surprised is still here is Jones. I am sure Drury would prefer a d-man coming back as the team has next to no depth but I'd just trade him and move on.

 

[SA16]

No teams are going to make moves, it requires more cap space. Teams are going to try to accrue as much as they can leading up to the deadline.

The guy I am surprised is still here is Jones. I am sure Drury would prefer a d-man coming back as the team has next to no depth but I'd just trade him and move on.

Jones is still here because most likely nobody wants him. We just saw both Ty Smith and Erik Brannstrom clear waivers.

And I don't think Drury wants to waive/trade him for nothing and then have to play Connor Mackey if he needs another LHD.

 

[kovazub94]

Nah, family reasons, had to return back. Was basically the teams leading scorer as a defenseman when he left. Bad news for SKA.

Now you're f***ing lying - there's additional info was posted here about it.

@rangers1314 He had altercation with a member of a couching staff and as season progressed SKA grew more and more tired of ADA's defensive gaffs and his attitude (in ADA typical fashion.

СКА расторг контракт с Деанджело – после конфликта с помощником Ротенберга и постоянных ошибок - this is in Russian most respectable sports media outlet. They provide translation into English.

 

[bernmeister]

The problem with the Buchnevich trade is that it wasn't like the McDonagh trade where the prospects just didn't pan out. At his best Blais was a good 4th liner and a 2 is not a 1. So there was literally nothing that could have been done to get even close to equal value for Buch.

At that pt, perhaps, it is an open ?.
Howev, there is zero excuse for Rs to not have listened to me and self rented him during a period where it was obvious we had zero hope of advancing with a deep PO run, and we should have sold him WAY earlier when the key element of term would have huge upped his return value. Big time.

He has 66 goals since the start of last season lol. He turns the puck over because no one else on the entire team, besides Laf a few times every 10 games, and Chytil (in the 15% of games that he plays), can make ANYTHING happen. And when he does turn it over, he puts pressure on the opposing player and gets it back pretty often. If everyone gave the effort he does, we'd be better off.

He's so far down the list of problems. Not only do I hope he's not "gone", I hope we bring him back at a reasonable cost. He'll turn 35 shortly after opening night of 2026. I would think he'd like to spend the rest of his career here. Kopitar, Marchand, Malkin all make $6-7 AAV. Panarin 3x7.

NO,
agree bread has been exceptional but we need to repurpose his value into signif potential upside for long term future
self rental here = fail, short term help but not long term gain

open to suggestions but at this pt would recommend option 1:
bread 5.6+ retained = 6 per x this season + next
to DAL
for Bischel + high pick

If 3rd team needed for additional retain, stars pay


If we REALLY want to grab the bull by the horns, we need to repurpose bread, zib, tro, fox and shesty for signif quality youth

 

[JCProdigy]

Now you're f***ing lying - there's additional info was posted here about it.

@rangers1314 He had altercation with a member of a couching staff and as season progressed SKA grew more and more tired of ADA's defensive gaffs and his attitude (in ADA typical fashion.

СКА расторг контракт с Деанджело – после конфликта с помощником Ротенберга и постоянных ошибок - this is in Russian most respectable sports media outlet. They provide translation into English.

 

[GAGLine]

He has 66 goals since the start of last season lol. He turns the puck over because no one else on the entire team, besides Laf a few times every 10 games, and Chytil (in the 15% of games that he plays), can make ANYTHING happen. And when he does turn it over, he puts pressure on the opposing player and gets it back pretty often. If everyone gave the effort he does, we'd be better off.

He's so far down the list of problems. Not only do I hope he's not "gone", I hope we bring him back at a reasonable cost. He'll turn 35 shortly after opening night of 2026. I would think he'd like to spend the rest of his career here. Kopitar, Marchand, Malkin all make $6-7 AAV. Panarin 3x7.

I don't understand the fear behind trading Panarin.

At some point, he's no longer going to be an asset for us. It may be because he retires after a slow but predictable decline. It might be because he gets to the end of his current contract and decides to sign with a different team. It might be because we trade him. However it happens, he's going to be gone at some point.

At age 33 with one year left on his contract, is he more valuable to us as a player or as a trade chip? A strong argument can be made for the latter, and it's definitely something Drury should be exploring.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I don't understand the fear behind trading Panarin.

At some point, he's no longer going to be an asset for us. It may be because he retires after a slow but predictable decline. It might be because he gets to the end of his current contract and decides to sign with a different team. It might be because we trade him. However it happens, he's going to be gone at some point.

At age 33 with one year left on his contract, is he more valuable to us as a player or as a trade chip? A strong argument can be made for the latter, and it's definitely something Drury should be exploring.

To me it's less about should they trade him and more about will Drury/Dolan trade a star player and accept a rebuild. I think not.

 

[Fitzy]

I don't understand the fear behind trading Panarin.

At some point, he's no longer going to be an asset for us. It may be because he retires after a slow but predictable decline. It might be because he gets to the end of his current contract and decides to sign with a different team. It might be because we trade him. However it happens, he's going to be gone at some point.

At age 33 with one year left on his contract, is he more valuable to us as a player or as a trade chip? A strong argument can be made for the latter, and it's definitely something Drury should be exploring.

I think part of theconcern is that you don't want to make a trade, even if it's a really good one, and be left trying to replace Jagr with Naslund because we missed the Hossa parade.

If NYR were to trade Panarin, it'd make sense were they to go out and sign Rantanen or Marner, younger, to play the same role for the team. That only works if you lock up a player who 15-20 teams will be bidding on.

Even if you make a really good deconstructive Panarin trade to get multiple assets, you need top players at the helm of your lineup. Without Panarin, we no longer have enough depth NOR top end ability at forward.

 

[LokiDog]

So… are the people that hated the Igor contract the second it was signed and the people who insisted that you have to lock up your franchise goalie starting to see eye to eye or is the PGT just a humorous thread title?

I ask because I would much rather be Colorado and take my chances in the playoffs with Blackwood and Wedgewood at a combined 3.85M (next year it’s 6.75M when Blackwood’s extension kicks in) than pay any goalie 11.5M per year. I also don’t want to pay any winger who isn’t named Kaprizov, Rantanen or Tkachuk more than 11M per year (looking at you, Arti). You know who can have a 12M+ contract? Mackinnon, McDavid, Draisaitl, etc.

In other words, franchise centers. I’m being a bit hyperbolic because there will be exceptions I’m not thinking of, but now that we’re somewhat back to our normal amount of dysfunction, and not in our 2 month crisis spiral anymore, the same thing is as clear (to me, at least) today as it has been to many of us for years. No elite 1C, no point in paying anyone else to drag you to the playoffs.

All Shesterkin and Panarin will do is keep us firmly in the 10-20 range where we will always be playoff hopefuls, which means:

We’ll rarely see kids getting big minutes

We’ll buy at the TDL more often than not so we’ll never have a robust pipeline of young talent trickling up to the big club

We’ll never draft anywhere near high enough to get our hands on the type of center this team needs to ever hope to break the Cup drought.

Anytime I’ve ever mentioned (previously, I’m over it at this point, and it’s no longer realistic with Igor/unlikely because playoffs with Bread) the response from many was “if you think we’re bad now, wait til you see how bad we’d be without Panarin!” …Yeah, that’s the point, bucko. Bad enough to draft the next Celebrini or Hughes or Eichel, I’d hope. Ditto Shesterkin. “You don’t trade goalies who can single handedly win you a playoff series, you pay them.” Looks like that’s going to work out extremely well for us. Hey Igor, we scraped in as a WC, go steal 4 series for us! #strategy

I understand we weren’t as bad as we looked last month, but we simply are not good enough to win a Cup and there isn’t any other purpose for this roster than winning a Cup, which means it has to be taken apart and put back together.

You ever put together a piece of furniture and you get 90% of the way done (making it to the ECF) and then you realize that on step 4 of 18 you attached a piece backward and so you have to take the entire thing apart and put it back together if you want to complete it (win a Cup)? That’s us. It doesn’t matter how close we were. You can’t go forward until you take it apart and fix the problem(s). That’s been clear to me for a while, and is the only reason I had been SO pro trading everyone.

You can’t build around a one dimensional winger whose style of play is less effective in the playoffs. You can’t build from the net out. In my opinion, you can’t build around a 1D who can’t skate either because you need that dynamic driving force from a 1D if they’re going to be your building block. The common denominator for Cup winners over the last 25 years or so, is basically a Hall of Fame 1C. Even if they weren’t massive offensive producers, like Bergeron, that’s still a certified HHOF center. Kopitar. Barkov. They will be in the HHOF. Mika Zibanejad will not.

Building AROUND Igor’s 11.5 and Zib’s 8.5 and Fox’s 9.5 is not the way to ever end up with a true 1C. And having a goalie like Igor and a 1D like Fox, keeping Panarin, etc. will ensure we never even have a chance to acquire one in the first place. Which makes virtually everything this team does irrelevant because, unless we manage to defy 20+ years of history (and, let’s face it, NYR isn’t the lucky team to manage to do that), we simply aren’t Cup winners without a 1C. So we are going to pay some guys a LOT of money to basically tread water and make sure Dolan gets his playoff revenue and that’s that.

Also, who can help me get a gig as our columnist? I’m better than Larry lol

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm all in on the trade Panarin wagon. It just makes sense in general.

 

[kovazub94]

I think part of theconcern is that you don't want to make a trade, even if it's a really good one, and be left trying to replace Jagr with Naslund because we missed the Hossa parade.

If NYR were to trade Panarin, it'd make sense were they to go out and sign Rantanen or Marner, younger, to play the same role for the team. That only works if you lock up a player who 15-20 teams will be bidding on.

Even if you make a really good deconstructive Panarin trade to get multiple assets, you need top players at the helm of your lineup. Without Panarin, we no longer have enough depth NOR top end ability at forward.

This is exactly the decision point. My problem with getting Panarin top-end replacement is that we will be talking $13m-$14m aav price tag on 7-8 year contract. It's fine to pay this if organization misses that player - that was the case when Panarin himself was signed - but if we are talking about an alternative to where after next year Panarin gets $9m, the question is if this trade off worth it.

 

[bernmeister]

To me it's less about should they trade him and more about will Drury/Dolan trade a star player and accept a rebuild. I think not.

You are entitled to your opinion, but "I think not" is nakedly unsubstantiated.

Either dealing a player is or is not more profitable than keeping him
Obv this varies with details from player to player/situation to situation.

I see you CONSTANTLY giving lol emoji to my substantive comments.
If you can offer anything more than lip service, pls provide yr OBJECTIVE rationale for keeping bread

 

[LORDE]

So… are the people that hated the Igor contract the second it was signed and the people who insisted that you have to lock up your franchise goalie starting to see eye to eye or is the PGT just a humorous thread title?

I ask because I would much rather be Colorado and take my chances in the playoffs with Blackwood and Wedgewood at a combined 3.85M (next year it’s 6.75M when Blackwood’s extension kicks in) than pay any goalie 11.5M per year. I also don’t want to pay any winger who isn’t named Kaprizov, Rantanen or Tkachuk more than 11M per year (looking at you, Arti). You know who can have a 12M+ contract? Mackinnon, McDavid, Draisaitl, etc.

In other words, franchise centers. I’m being a bit hyperbolic because there will be exceptions I’m not thinking of, but now that we’re somewhat back to our normal amount of dysfunction, and not in our 2 month crisis spiral anymore, the same thing is as clear (to me, at least) today as it has been to many of us for years. No elite 1C, no point in paying anyone else to drag you to the playoffs.

All Shesterkin and Panarin will do is keep us firmly in the 10-20 range where we will always be playoff hopefuls, which means:

We’ll rarely see kids getting big minutes

We’ll buy at the TDL more often than not so we’ll never have a robust pipeline of young talent trickling up to the big club

We’ll never draft anywhere near high enough to get our hands on the type of center this team needs to ever hope to break the Cup drought.

Anytime I’ve ever mentioned (previously, I’m over it at this point, and it’s no longer realistic with Igor/unlikely because playoffs with Bread) the response from many was “if you think we’re bad now, wait til you see how bad we’d be without Panarin!” …Yeah, that’s the point, bucko. Bad enough to draft the next Celebrini or Hughes or Eichel, I’d hope. Ditto Shesterkin. “You don’t trade goalies who can single handedly win you a playoff series, you pay them.” Looks like that’s going to work out extremely well for us. Hey Igor, we scraped in as a WC, go steal 4 series for us! #strategy

I understand we weren’t as bad as we looked last month, but we simply are not good enough to win a Cup and there isn’t any other purpose for this roster than winning a Cup, which means it has to be taken apart and put back together.

You ever put together a piece of furniture and you get 90% of the way done (making it to the ECF) and then you realize that on step 4 of 18 you attached a piece backward and so you have to take the entire thing apart and put it back together if you want to complete it (win a Cup)? That’s us. It doesn’t matter how close we were. You can’t go forward until you take it apart and fix the problem(s). That’s been clear to me for a while, and is the only reason I had been SO pro trading everyone.

You can’t build around a one dimensional winger whose style of play is less effective in the playoffs. You can’t build from the net out. In my opinion, you can’t build around a 1D who can’t skate either because you need that dynamic driving force from a 1D if they’re going to be your building block. The common denominator for Cup winners over the last 25 years or so, is basically a Hall of Fame 1C. Even if they weren’t massive offensive producers, like Bergeron, that’s still a certified HHOF center. Kopitar. Barkov. They will be in the HHOF. Mika Zibanejad will not.

Building AROUND Igor’s 11.5 and Zib’s 8.5 and Fox’s 9.5 is not the way to ever end up with a true 1C. And having a goalie like Igor and a 1D like Fox, keeping Panarin, etc. will ensure we never even have a chance to acquire one in the first place. Which makes virtually everything this team does irrelevant because, unless we manage to defy 20+ years of history (and, let’s face it, NYR isn’t the lucky team to manage to do that), we simply aren’t Cup winners without a 1C. So we are going to pay some guys a LOT of money to basically tread water and make sure Dolan gets his playoff revenue and that’s that.

Also, who can help me get a gig as our columnist? I’m better than Larry lol

Amen to all of this.

(PS - get a blog going... or a podcast... you'll make a lot more $ than Larry could ever imagine)

 

[bernmeister]

I think part of theconcern is that you don't want to make a trade, even if it's a really good one, and be left trying to replace Jagr with Naslund because we missed the Hossa parade.

If NYR were to trade Panarin, it'd make sense were they to go out and sign Rantanen or Marner, younger, to play the same role for the team. That only works if you lock up a player who 15-20 teams will be bidding on.

Even if you make a really good deconstructive Panarin trade to get multiple assets, you need top players at the helm of your lineup. Without Panarin, we no longer have enough depth NOR top end ability at forward.

...or, we can try to be more nimble and get 2-3 Chytil level guys instead of one bread replacement, and have better depth/salary mgmt, etc

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

You are entitled to your opinion, but "I think not" is nakedly unsubstantiated.

Either dealing a player is or is not more profitable than keeping him
Obv this varies with details from player to player/situation to situation.

I see you CONSTANTLY giving lol emoji to my substantive comments.
If you can offer anything more than lip service, pls provide yr OBJECTIVE rationale for keeping bread

Its not nakedly unsubstantiated, it's the teams history. I know you love to toss out "Rangers should listen to bern", but that's not how the real world works. Dolan has proven that he prefers to keep star players, be it for ticket/merch sales or just because he doesn't ever want a full rebuild. It's the whole reason they signed Panarin after declaring a rebuild with the letter.

 

[JohnC]

I don't understand the fear behind trading Panarin.

At some point, he's no longer going to be an asset for us. It may be because he retires after a slow but predictable decline. It might be because he gets to the end of his current contract and decides to sign with a different team. It might be because we trade him. However it happens, he's going to be gone at some point.

At age 33 with one year left on his contract, is he more valuable to us as a player or as a trade chip? A strong argument can be made for the latter, and it's definitely something Drury should be exploring.

Most of this board shits their pants over the idea of an age 30+ contract so the thought of a 35+ year old Panarin should be a nonstarter.

 

[bernmeister]

You are entitled to your opinion, but "I think not" is nakedly unsubstantiated.

Either dealing a player is or is not more profitable than keeping him
Obv this varies with details from player to player/situation to situation.

I see you CONSTANTLY giving lol emoji to my substantive comments.
If you can offer anything more than lip service, pls provide yr OBJECTIVE rationale for keeping bread

I see from the 'ha-ha' you have apparently declined my invitation
ostensibly
because
you
got
nothing

Its not nakedly unsubstantiated, it's the teams history. I know you love to toss out "Rangers should listen to bern", but that's not how the real world works. Dolan has proven that he prefers to keep star players, be it for ticket/merch sales or just because he doesn't ever want a full rebuild. It's the whole reason they signed Panarin after declaring a rebuild with the letter.

And again, dolan having power does not mean his decision making is intrinsically correct
It means gets to call the shots, not that they are right

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

I don't understand the fear behind trading Panarin.

At some point, he's no longer going to be an asset for us. It may be because he retires after a slow but predictable decline. It might be because he gets to the end of his current contract and decides to sign with a different team. It might be because we trade him. However it happens, he's going to be gone at some point.

At age 33 with one year left on his contract, is he more valuable to us as a player or as a trade chip? A strong argument can be made for the latter, and it's definitely something Drury should be exploring.

I have no fear of trading Panarin at all. I'd be for it for sure depending on return. I'd also be for him being here for the next 3-5 seasons at a reasonable price.

My point was that the hate, and desire to kick him to the curb is a bit crazy. Just my opinion. He's probably the 2nd, at worst 3rd, best Rangers player in 30 years. He has lived up to the signing from Day 1.

I understand the playoff gripes. I was calling for his removal too. But I won't pretend he's some albatross.

 

[Fitzy]

This is exactly the decision point. My problem with getting Panarin top-end replacement is that we will be talking $13m-$14m aav price tag on 7-8 year contract. It's fine to pay this if organization misses that player - that was the case when Panarin himself was signed - but if we are talking about an alternative to where after next year Panarin gets $9m, the question is if this trade off worth it.

I'd pay Rantanen 13. I wouldn't give Marner more than 12. But we're talking about 1-2 mil difference, so as long as Panarin is dealt, I'm not too worried about it.

 

[LokiDog]

Amen to all of this.

(PS - get a blog going... or a podcast... you'll make a lot more $ than Larry could ever imagine)

I’m a good writer and speaker and have played hockey at a fairly high level and been around the game at relatively high levels for 35 years. From the time I was 3 until about 11 my next door neighbor was in the NHL and by the time he retired my family had met plenty of his teammates and coaches and formed other relationships, so I basically grew up with NHL mentorship and exposure (granted, all Islanders - though some played for NYR as well in their career). I suck at understanding the platforms and algorithms and how often to post and how to promote content. If someone wanted to partner on a NYR blog with an IG and X account supporting it, or a podcast, I would be happy to do so but they’d have to be good at the things I’m deficient at. Consider this my wanted ad. Let’s make a successful, monetized NYR focused NHL blog or pod.

 

[haohmaru]

I’m a good writer and speaker and have played hockey at a fairly high level and been around the game at relatively high levels for 35 years. From the time I was 3 until about 11 my next door neighbor was in the NHL and by the time he retired my family had met plenty of his teammates and coaches and formed other relationships, so I basically grew up with NHL mentorship and exposure (granted, all Islanders - though some played for NYR as well in their career). I suck at understanding the platforms and algorithms and how often to post and how to promote content. If someone wanted to partner on a NYR blog with an IG and X account supporting it, or a podcast, I would be happy to do so but they’d have to be good at the things I’m deficient at. Consider this my wanted ad. Let’s make a successful, monetized NYR focused NHL blog or pod.

I’m up for it. Can’t be worse than 90% of the Rangers podcasts out there now.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I have no fear of trading Panarin at all. I'd be for it for sure depending on return. I'd also be for him being here for the next 3-5 seasons at a reasonable price.

My point was that the hate, and desire to kick him to the curb is a bit crazy. Just my opinion. He's probably the 2nd, at worst 3rd, best Rangers player in 30 years. He has lived up to the signing from Day 1.

I understand the playoff gripes. I was calling for his removal too. But I won't pretend he's some albatross.

Couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately Panarin’s playoff struggles have tainted his legacy and some people will let it cloud their judgement of him, fair enough. Let’s not overlook the fact that he’s had some of the best years in the history of this franchise. Last season at age 32 he was a legitimate hart candidate. He’s carried this team offensively forever. At some point he was going to look his age and it’s been happening more frequently this season.

I’m not against trading him either because it’s doubtful this team wins before his contract is up, but to try to place a lot of the blame on this teams failures on Panarin is crazy to me.