Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

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Please show me clips of prime Zibanejad body checks. If you want to bash his turnovers or not staying with his man, that's valid. But he's never been a hitter aside from trying to win battles on the boards.
Short and sweet past months incl recently attackers going in the zone have to be confronted and stopped. If a guy has a head of steam and angle, stick check not an option, body check required.
REQUIRED
RE - QUIRED
zib has waived at these guys and let them break thru
not acceptable

you may consider that "not staying with his man"
which I appreciate you admitting is his responsibility
my pt is once you are at that pt, the body check is the needed follow thru
as opposed to not doing enuf and letting the guy waltz in

I'm not expecting vintage Brad Park hip checks.
I am not expecting Trouba-esque lay you out jobs
I am expecting and demanding sufficient physical contact to at least slow the guy

you can go thru game videos

Zibanejad has never been a "BODY CHECKER". Neither has McDavid. Or Eichel. Or a whole slew of elite centers. It's not in everyone's game.

What shit did he pull that the rest of the team didn't? The whole team was garbage for two months.
Setting aside degree of to what extent any specific person is guilty
the apt saying here is
If you see somebody jump out a window, are you gonna follow and do that too?
 
Is our defense better now than pre-Trouba and Kakko trades? I feel like the new guys are starting to get their footing.

Short answer - hell yes. The skating and size of Vaak and Borgen are proving to be difference makers. Trouba was a physical decent skating d-man but he’s very slow at this point and it made everyone scramble to match up and cover. Those guys, both of whom should make significantly less than Just Trouba next year Have been upgrades.
 
Short answer - hell yes. The skating and size of Vaak and Borgen are proving to be difference makers. Trouba was a physical decent skating d-man but he’s very slow at this point and it made everyone scramble to match up and cover. Those guys, both of whom should make significantly less than Just Trouba next year Have been upgrades.

I guess Lindgren and Trouba fell off this year even further but otherwise other than Gus who is a bottom pairing D-man is this d corps if Miller has his head outside of its ass that much worse than last year's that had Trouba?
 
I do hope that Drury continues to tinker. Vaak might best be suited as a 7. Lindgren can't stay. It'll be tough to get two LHD in and one out before the deadline.

Still think the target is Byram. If you want to push hard next season, that's the piece to get.

Having to sign him and Miller could be daunting, but I think it's a better path forward.
 
This winning streak is the worst thing bat could have happened
The Rangers haven't really gained in the standings. The other teams around them are also winning. The most points the Rangers were out of a playoff spot was six points. I think it was 6. Even the Islanders have won three straight games. Detroit has won seven straight games.

The Rangers were in a playoff spot. They were 12-6-1 when Drury's message was leaked. He wanted to make changes because he didn't think the Rangers would not win with the group.

Nothing has changed.
 
I do hope that Drury continues to tinker. Vaak might best be suited as a 7. Lindgren can't stay. It'll be tough to get two LHD in and one out before the deadline.

Still think the target is Byram. If you want to push hard next season, that's the piece to get.

Having to sign him and Miller could be daunting, but I think it's a better path forward.
The Rangers need another smallish offensive D. The problem with Byram in Buffalo is opportunity. He wasn't happy in Colorado because Makar is there. He wants to be the guy. Buffalo has other guys in Rasmus and Power. You can make the an argument Power is marginalized on that team with Rasmus and Byram. Is Bowen happy in Buffalo? He are a contract coming too.

The Rangers need another smallish offensive D????????
 

Rangers’ recent surge likely not enough to make them renters at deadline

Regarding the Rangers, on a two-game heater and 4-1-1 in their six games going into Colorado on Tuesday before closing the road swing in Utah on Thursday:

1. For the first time in months, the Blueshirts seem connected on and off the ice. There is purpose to their game. There is commitment to the unit. Work ethic has returned. So has credibility.
But as the Rangers sit four points back of the final playoff spot with five teams to pass, this recent uptick probably won’t have a dramatic effect on the hierarchy’s plan approaching the March 7 trade deadline.

Rest assured, general manager Chris Drury will not be in the rental market to plug holes to make a run at the second wild card. The organization won’t sacrifice next year or the year after that for a few playoff gates.

The objective, just as it was when management and ownership designed the plan in late January 2018 — with a playoff spot well within reach — to tear it down and then build it right back up at the deadline, is to win the Stanley Cup and not scrape into eighth place.

2. Will Borgen, the 28-year-old righty defenseman acquired in exchange for Kaapo Kakko, has been a solid top-four at both ends of the ice. He gets pucks to the net on one end and clears bodies in front of the net at the other end.

But with No. 17 coming up on unrestricted free agency, the question is whether Borgen would have more value as a trade chip — surely at least a second-rounder, but maybe at the back end of the round depending on the destination — or on the Blueshirts blue line the next few years.

Is it a trade or an extension? I’d expect Drury to at least have preliminary discussions with Borgen’s camp before the deadline strikes.

3. I’m not sure how the Rangers can continue to go forward with Filip Chytil, when they never really know when the 25-year-old center will be available.

No one is to blame here. But Chytil, who has a history of concussions and is now out of the lineup for the second time this year with an unidentified upper-body injury, has been sidelined nine separate times with injury over the last six seasons.

The Rangers need the 25-year-old, who was the team’s best player centering the team’s best line before he went down for the first time on Nov. 14. Not only did Chytil miss seven games, it took a fair amount of time for No. 72 to recapture his game. When he did, he went down two or three games later.

Let’s say there is a trade match for Buffalo center Dylan Cozens. How can the Rangers get him as their third-line center when Chytil is there … or isn’t?

It is unfortunate. Chytil wants this so badly. His personality can light up a room and his dynamism can electrify a rink. He, Chris Kreider and Mika Zibanejad are the three survivors from the Alain Vigneault Era.

But you never know if he’s going to be able to play. This latest injury, you can’t even find when it happened.

Chytil has two years remaining on his contract. I can’t imagine a GM would be willing to take the risk of trading for the center. Maybe a team would, but for pennies on the dollar. That’s certainly not optimal on this side.

It is a conundrum. I don’t know what the answer is but I do know that this is not sustainable, either.

4. A year ago, Igor Shesterkin required a midseason reset following a disappointing first half. The franchise netminder then emerged from the All-Star break at an elite level that he maintained throughout the remainder of the regular season and the playoffs.

Now, Shesterkin’s week-plus, three-game stay on IR following the Dec. 30 crash with Florida’s Sam Bennett, may have had the same effect.

Shesterkin and Jonathan Quick had both been under siege for the first six weeks of the season, the netminders somehow nimble enough to fill holes in the dike so that the Rangers were 12-4-1 when playing like 4-12-1.

But as the club totally broke down, so did the netminders. So did Shesterkin, whose penchant for surrendering marginal goals over the second half of December became an issue.

Since his return, Shesterkin excelled against New Jersey on Thursday and in Vegas on Saturday with stronger play in front of him. The Rangers are built on the proposition that their goaltender is the best in the world. That’s what they need Shesterkin to be.

5. Since three-on-three overtime was adopted in 2015-16, the Rangers have won 45 and lost 46 within the confines of the five minutes of extra time.

And when Sam Carrick beat the Devils’ Jacob Markstrom at the Garden at 2:48 on Thursday, it marked the first time a fourth-liner had scored for the Blueshirts under this format.

Carrick, however, might not be the unlikeliest Ranger to score in three-on-three. That distinction may in fact belong to Kevin Klein, the generally stay-at-home defenseman Kevin Klein, whose goal against Detroit’s Jimmy Howard gave his team a 1-0 victory at the Garden on Feb. 21, 2016.

Maybe we can call it a tie.
 

Rangers’ recent surge likely not enough to make them renters at deadline

Regarding the Rangers, on a two-game heater and 4-1-1 in their six games going into Colorado on Tuesday before closing the road swing in Utah on Thursday:

1. For the first time in months, the Blueshirts seem connected on and off the ice. There is purpose to their game. There is commitment to the unit. Work ethic has returned. So has credibility.
But as the Rangers sit four points back of the final playoff spot with five teams to pass, this recent uptick probably won’t have a dramatic effect on the hierarchy’s plan approaching the March 7 trade deadline.

Rest assured, general manager Chris Drury will not be in the rental market to plug holes to make a run at the second wild card. The organization won’t sacrifice next year or the year after that for a few playoff gates.

The objective, just as it was when management and ownership designed the plan in late January 2018 — with a playoff spot well within reach — to tear it down and then build it right back up at the deadline, is to win the Stanley Cup and not scrape into eighth place.

2. Will Borgen, the 28-year-old righty defenseman acquired in exchange for Kaapo Kakko, has been a solid top-four at both ends of the ice. He gets pucks to the net on one end and clears bodies in front of the net at the other end.

But with No. 17 coming up on unrestricted free agency, the question is whether Borgen would have more value as a trade chip — surely at least a second-rounder, but maybe at the back end of the round depending on the destination — or on the Blueshirts blue line the next few years.

Is it a trade or an extension? I’d expect Drury to at least have preliminary discussions with Borgen’s camp before the deadline strikes.

3. I’m not sure how the Rangers can continue to go forward with Filip Chytil, when they never really know when the 25-year-old center will be available.

No one is to blame here. But Chytil, who has a history of concussions and is now out of the lineup for the second time this year with an unidentified upper-body injury, has been sidelined nine separate times with injury over the last six seasons.

The Rangers need the 25-year-old, who was the team’s best player centering the team’s best line before he went down for the first time on Nov. 14. Not only did Chytil miss seven games, it took a fair amount of time for No. 72 to recapture his game. When he did, he went down two or three games later.

Let’s say there is a trade match for Buffalo center Dylan Cozens. How can the Rangers get him as their third-line center when Chytil is there … or isn’t?

It is unfortunate. Chytil wants this so badly. His personality can light up a room and his dynamism can electrify a rink. He, Chris Kreider and Mika Zibanejad are the three survivors from the Alain Vigneault Era.

But you never know if he’s going to be able to play. This latest injury, you can’t even find when it happened.

Chytil has two years remaining on his contract. I can’t imagine a GM would be willing to take the risk of trading for the center. Maybe a team would, but for pennies on the dollar. That’s certainly not optimal on this side.

It is a conundrum. I don’t know what the answer is but I do know that this is not sustainable, either.

4. A year ago, Igor Shesterkin required a midseason reset following a disappointing first half. The franchise netminder then emerged from the All-Star break at an elite level that he maintained throughout the remainder of the regular season and the playoffs.

Now, Shesterkin’s week-plus, three-game stay on IR following the Dec. 30 crash with Florida’s Sam Bennett, may have had the same effect.

Shesterkin and Jonathan Quick had both been under siege for the first six weeks of the season, the netminders somehow nimble enough to fill holes in the dike so that the Rangers were 12-4-1 when playing like 4-12-1.

But as the club totally broke down, so did the netminders. So did Shesterkin, whose penchant for surrendering marginal goals over the second half of December became an issue.

Since his return, Shesterkin excelled against New Jersey on Thursday and in Vegas on Saturday with stronger play in front of him. The Rangers are built on the proposition that their goaltender is the best in the world. That’s what they need Shesterkin to be.

5. Since three-on-three overtime was adopted in 2015-16, the Rangers have won 45 and lost 46 within the confines of the five minutes of extra time.

And when Sam Carrick beat the Devils’ Jacob Markstrom at the Garden at 2:48 on Thursday, it marked the first time a fourth-liner had scored for the Blueshirts under this format.

Carrick, however, might not be the unlikeliest Ranger to score in three-on-three. That distinction may in fact belong to Kevin Klein, the generally stay-at-home defenseman Kevin Klein, whose goal against Detroit’s Jimmy Howard gave his team a 1-0 victory at the Garden on Feb. 21, 2016.

Maybe we can call it a tie.

Rangers should sell their UFAs no matter what. Lindgren, Smith, Vesey(i guess). Borgen has real value around the league it seems. Makes sense because he's good. We should also be interested in Cozens as Larry mentioned. Fits the timeline better than any other trade option and when he is on he's a workhorse center who doesnt have to carry the load behind Tro-Zibanejad.

Schneider for Cozens, and we extend Borgen. Cozens plays wing or C depending on Chytil. Right side is Fox-Borg-Mancini with Emery a couple years away.
 
Rangers should sell their UFAs no matter what. Lindgren, Smith, Vesey(i guess). Borgen has real value around the league it seems. Makes sense because he's good. We should also be interested in Cozens as Larry mentioned. Fits the timeline better than any other trade option and when he is on he's a workhorse center who doesnt have to carry the load behind Tro-Zibanejad.

Schneider for Cozens, and we extend Borgen. Cozens plays wing or C depending on Chytil. Right side is Fox-Borg-Mancini with Emery a couple years away.

Holy shit you didn't mention Kreider. :thumbu:
 
I think if this back issue is prolonged, Kreider will opt out because he knows there are guys better off to go. I do not think he would be that selfish. Like, Tage Thompson is sitting right there healthy.

Kreider should take as much time as possible. There are plenty of wingers we could give a look too. This is what sucks about Kakko not working, we'd have a legit top 6 wing coming in to replace him.

He is traveling with the team and was on the ice for the morning skate two days ago. It is obviously not something that is going to keep him out long term.
 

Rangers’ recent surge likely not enough to make them renters at deadline

Regarding the Rangers, on a two-game heater and 4-1-1 in their six games going into Colorado on Tuesday before closing the road swing in Utah on Thursday:

1. For the first time in months, the Blueshirts seem connected on and off the ice. There is purpose to their game. There is commitment to the unit. Work ethic has returned. So has credibility.
But as the Rangers sit four points back of the final playoff spot with five teams to pass, this recent uptick probably won’t have a dramatic effect on the hierarchy’s plan approaching the March 7 trade deadline.

Rest assured, general manager Chris Drury will not be in the rental market to plug holes to make a run at the second wild card. The organization won’t sacrifice next year or the year after that for a few playoff gates.

The objective, just as it was when management and ownership designed the plan in late January 2018 — with a playoff spot well within reach — to tear it down and then build it right back up at the deadline, is to win the Stanley Cup and not scrape into eighth place.

2. Will Borgen, the 28-year-old righty defenseman acquired in exchange for Kaapo Kakko, has been a solid top-four at both ends of the ice. He gets pucks to the net on one end and clears bodies in front of the net at the other end.

But with No. 17 coming up on unrestricted free agency, the question is whether Borgen would have more value as a trade chip — surely at least a second-rounder, but maybe at the back end of the round depending on the destination — or on the Blueshirts blue line the next few years.

Is it a trade or an extension? I’d expect Drury to at least have preliminary discussions with Borgen’s camp before the deadline strikes.

3. I’m not sure how the Rangers can continue to go forward with Filip Chytil, when they never really know when the 25-year-old center will be available.

No one is to blame here. But Chytil, who has a history of concussions and is now out of the lineup for the second time this year with an unidentified upper-body injury, has been sidelined nine separate times with injury over the last six seasons.

The Rangers need the 25-year-old, who was the team’s best player centering the team’s best line before he went down for the first time on Nov. 14. Not only did Chytil miss seven games, it took a fair amount of time for No. 72 to recapture his game. When he did, he went down two or three games later.

Let’s say there is a trade match for Buffalo center Dylan Cozens. How can the Rangers get him as their third-line center when Chytil is there … or isn’t?

It is unfortunate. Chytil wants this so badly. His personality can light up a room and his dynamism can electrify a rink. He, Chris Kreider and Mika Zibanejad are the three survivors from the Alain Vigneault Era.

But you never know if he’s going to be able to play. This latest injury, you can’t even find when it happened.

Chytil has two years remaining on his contract. I can’t imagine a GM would be willing to take the risk of trading for the center. Maybe a team would, but for pennies on the dollar. That’s certainly not optimal on this side.

It is a conundrum. I don’t know what the answer is but I do know that this is not sustainable, either.

4. A year ago, Igor Shesterkin required a midseason reset following a disappointing first half. The franchise netminder then emerged from the All-Star break at an elite level that he maintained throughout the remainder of the regular season and the playoffs.

Now, Shesterkin’s week-plus, three-game stay on IR following the Dec. 30 crash with Florida’s Sam Bennett, may have had the same effect.

Shesterkin and Jonathan Quick had both been under siege for the first six weeks of the season, the netminders somehow nimble enough to fill holes in the dike so that the Rangers were 12-4-1 when playing like 4-12-1.

But as the club totally broke down, so did the netminders. So did Shesterkin, whose penchant for surrendering marginal goals over the second half of December became an issue.

Since his return, Shesterkin excelled against New Jersey on Thursday and in Vegas on Saturday with stronger play in front of him. The Rangers are built on the proposition that their goaltender is the best in the world. That’s what they need Shesterkin to be.

5. Since three-on-three overtime was adopted in 2015-16, the Rangers have won 45 and lost 46 within the confines of the five minutes of extra time.

And when Sam Carrick beat the Devils’ Jacob Markstrom at the Garden at 2:48 on Thursday, it marked the first time a fourth-liner had scored for the Blueshirts under this format.

Carrick, however, might not be the unlikeliest Ranger to score in three-on-three. That distinction may in fact belong to Kevin Klein, the generally stay-at-home defenseman Kevin Klein, whose goal against Detroit’s Jimmy Howard gave his team a 1-0 victory at the Garden on Feb. 21, 2016.

Maybe we can call it a tie.
First item is direct response to @noncents assertion that Drury is trading a 1st in order to make playoffs this year.
 
Rangers should sell their UFAs no matter what. Lindgren, Smith, Vesey(i guess). Borgen has real value around the league it seems. Makes sense because he's good. We should also be interested in Cozens as Larry mentioned. Fits the timeline better than any other trade option and when he is on he's a workhorse center who doesnt have to carry the load behind Tro-Zibanejad.

Schneider for Cozens, and we extend Borgen. Cozens plays wing or C depending on Chytil. Right side is Fox-Borg-Mancini with Emery a couple years away.
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Kind of impossible to make any buying/selling/moving decisions in the short term. They’re not as good as they were to start and they’re definitely not as bad as they’ve been up until the last few games. We legitimately don’t know what they are now no matter how much people want them to be one thing or the other
 
Reilly Smith is quietly tracking for 40 points, almost all at 5v5 this year and he is starting to get more comfortable with Mika, you can see it on a game by game basis. He's sneaky at stealing pucks and creating chances and he's a very adept PKer. I could easily see a team offering a 2nd + for him at the deadline.
If Drury makes the right decision and sells we should be able to pick up quite a few 2nd rounders at the trade deadline. Smith, Borgen, and Lindgren would bring back a 2nd I think.
 
Zibanejad has never been a "BODY CHECKER". Neither has McDavid. Or Eichel. Or a whole slew of elite centers. It's not in everyone's game.

What shit did he pull that the rest of the team didn't? The whole team was garbage for two months.
Agreed "body checker."

However, on the second point, I'd say Zibs was the worst on the team (relative to his peak 3-4 years ago). His coordination seemed way off, & still does. Losing pucks, missing pucks, no accuracy on the shot, in addition to giving up multiple odd-man rushes per game and appearing disengaged. ... He seems like he's skating better & thinking the game better over the last little bit. But he still has the yips re handling the puck. Saturday night he was still doing this.
 
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Zibanejad has never been a "BODY CHECKER". Neither has McDavid. Or Eichel. Or a whole slew of elite centers. It's not in everyone's game.

What shit did he pull that the rest of the team didn't? The whole team was garbage for two months.
To be fair, he was garbage for like 12ish months. Glad he’s playing better since the New Year though.
 
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