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Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

I was considering a 3-way trade with Miller, Mika but assuming no waiving for west coast (read that) or Canada (assuming for tax) for Mika there really aren't any good dance partners who need a center at his price and term and have some ones that would entice Vancouver.
  • Florida has no cap and run Barkov, Bennett, Lundell.
  • Tampa similarly no cap with Point, Cirelli, Paul.
  • Carolina could upgrade Kotkaniemi and have $4M in cap but I doubt Vancouver would take a random collection of parts and Carolina is not parting with Nikishin for Mika. LOL.
  • New Jersey already has Hischer, Hughes, no cap.
  • Detroit has no cap. They'd have to deal Debrincat. Signed through only 2027. Is that good enough or is that much cap going away actually a draw. Also don't know why Detroit would do that unless the true Yzerplan is to assemble Team Sweden. Detroit does has a bunch of short term parts if Vancouver is looking to fill out their depth but they'll have a gapping whole at center if they do that. Detroit isn't moving Larkin for this type of deal. Andrew Copp is NOT the answer either.
  • Maybe Boston? Lindholm proved to not be a Bergeron replacement. Maybe we can convince them Mika can do the job! They don't have cap either
  • Pittsburgh has Crosby Malkin (IR). 3C is weak for them. I don't think they have the parts to give Vancouver anything they'd value.
  • Columbus has Fantilli, Johnson, Monahan, Sillinger, Bel Belluz. I don't think they need a center. If they really wanted Mika and really wanted to take on all that cap, then maybe there is a deal to be made. Columbus has a TON of cap.
Rangers can retain cap if it makes sense. I imagine it'd be tough with JTM's cap coming back. It could work in a goofy way if VAN retains, NYR retain, VAN gets back less overall cap from a 3rd team.

TLDR; given destination restrictions, I don't see a dance partner for a Mika deal.
 
I don't think this would fly, just some napkin GMing. Start of a convo?

Zibanejad to BOS
Zacha + Carlo to VAN
Miller to NYR
New York possibly retaining, probably adding assets that go VAN's way.
 
bernmeister said:
He plays 5 min b'c stupid mgmt favors vets, has been a trend for years, they keep losing doing that, and until they bend, buckle and break on that, it will continue

On that item Rempe is a victim, not a cause

Vesey has been dead for a while and should have been gone since last season
he no longer has enough motor to do much


And if we continue to try w/same formula only a yr older w/same assets older, less energy, mo expensive, we deserve to continue to lose

win now = no, wrong
listen to bern
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If Kreider is activated Rempe goes down Bern

Keep Bo up
 
n8 said:
I was considering a 3-way trade with Miller, Mika but assuming no waiving for west coast (read that) or Canada (assuming for tax) for Mika there really aren't any good dance partners who need a center at his price and term and have some ones that would entice Vancouver.
  • Florida has no cap and run Barkov, Bennett, Lundell.
  • Tampa similarly no cap with Point, Cirelli, Paul.
  • Carolina could upgrade Kotkaniemi and have $4M in cap but I doubt Vancouver would take a random collection of parts and Carolina is not parting with Nikishin for Mika. LOL.
  • New Jersey already has Hischer, Hughes, no cap.
  • Detroit has no cap. They'd have to deal Debrincat. Signed through only 2027. Is that good enough or is that much cap going away actually a draw. Also don't know why Detroit would do that unless the true Yzerplan is to assemble Team Sweden. Detroit does has a bunch of short term parts if Vancouver is looking to fill out their depth but they'll have a gapping whole at center if they do that. Detroit isn't moving Larkin for this type of deal. Andrew Copp is NOT the answer either.
  • Maybe Boston? Lindholm proved to not be a Bergeron replacement. Maybe we can convince them Mika can do the job! They don't have cap either
  • Pittsburgh has Crosby Malkin (IR). 3C is weak for them. I don't think they have the parts to give Vancouver anything they'd value.
  • Columbus has Fantilli, Johnson, Monahan, Sillinger, Bel Belluz. I don't think they need a center. If they really wanted Mika and really wanted to take on all that cap, then maybe there is a deal to be made. Columbus has a TON of cap.
Rangers can retain cap if it makes sense. I imagine it'd be tough with JTM's cap coming back. It could work in a goofy way if VAN retains, NYR retain, VAN gets back less overall cap from a 3rd team.

TLDR; given destination restrictions, I don't see a dance partner for a Mika deal.
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see my post 3846

we don't know about the VAN top pivot picture
we KNOW mika does NOT want to go there BUT
I think it reasonable if he is given a public assurance it is balance of this season stopgap if he does not want to stay and they will try to move him to a preferred location, he may be open. Hopefully he has gotten the message that possible long term benching is a real-> likely option.

I don't think he capitulates and let us send him anywhere, but I think if we and VAN both agree to work long term he might be open

and as I said,
I could see we send Bogen + KAM + for JTM +

I could see Elias Pett + Bogen as base for Dobson + Barzal

if that happens, Zib could be top dog in VAN, which may/may not make dif but shouldn't be negative short term

I agree
only possible places that fit on paper are:
VAN for above, or if only JTM goes [anywhere] and Elias Pett stays, then he's got his Swede bro

or
LA - ny of the west coast, hip music scene

outside maybe on Nash

Vitto79 said:
If Kreider is activated Rempe goes down Bern

Keep Bo up
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no NO NO
ditch Vesey
play CK as he can handle it
 
bernmeister said:
see my post 3846

we don't know about the VAN top pivot picture
we KNOW mika does NOT want to go there BUT
I think it reasonable if he is given a public assurance it is balance of this season stopgap if he does not want to stay and they will try to move him to a preferred location, he may be open. Hopefully he has gotten the message that possible long term benching is a real-> likely option.

I don't think he capitulates and let us send him anywhere, but I think if we and VAN both agree to work long term he might be open

and as I said,
I could see we send Bogen + KAM + for JTM +

I could see Elias Pett + Bogen as base for Dobson + Barzal

if that happens, Zib could be top dog in VAN, which may/may not make dif but shouldn't be negative short term

I agree
only possible places that fit on paper are:
VAN for above, or if only JTM goes [anywhere] and Elias Pett stays, then he's got his Swede bro

or
LA - ny of the west coast, hip music scene

outside maybe on Nash


no NO NO
ditch Vesey
play CK as he can handle it
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Not sure if you are paying attention but Mika has 5 points in the last 5 games now that Kreider isn't dragging him down. He's worth more to the Rangers if he regains his form than the terrible return would be trading him. Trade Kreider, Lindgren.
 
I don't care how many points rempe doesn't have, what he looks like out there, the team plays better with him than without. Trochek took a run at Hughes the other night, I'm not sure he feels comfortable doing that without Rempe, and I get it, trochek plays hard but without Rempe he may have to answer to mcdermid and that's always in the back of your mind. Vesey is fine but really we aren't missing much with him scratched, same for Brodz. If Rempe can figure out defense as a forward in the nhl, a line of Edstrom Carrick and Rempe is the type of line the Bruins used on their 4th line when they were a perennial cup contender/winner
 
bernmeister said:
see my post 3846

we don't know about the VAN top pivot picture
we KNOW mika does NOT want to go there BUT
I think it reasonable if he is given a public assurance it is balance of this season stopgap if he does not want to stay and they will try to move him to a preferred location, he may be open. Hopefully he has gotten the message that possible long term benching is a real-> likely option.

I don't think he capitulates and let us send him anywhere, but I think if we and VAN both agree to work long term he might be open

and as I said,
I could see we send Bogen + KAM + for JTM +

I could see Elias Pett + Bogen as base for Dobson + Barzal

if that happens, Zib could be top dog in VAN, which may/may not make dif but shouldn't be negative short term

I agree
only possible places that fit on paper are:
VAN for above, or if only JTM goes [anywhere] and Elias Pett stays, then he's got his Swede bro

or
LA - ny of the west coast, hip music scene

outside maybe on Nash


no NO NO
ditch Vesey
play CK as he can handle it
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Vesey would have to hit waivers but like I said I’ll take a pick first him
 
bernmeister said:
see my post 3846

we don't know about the VAN top pivot picture
we KNOW mika does NOT want to go there BUT
I think it reasonable if he is given a public assurance it is balance of this season stopgap if he does not want to stay and they will try to move him to a preferred location, he may be open. Hopefully he has gotten the message that possible long term benching is a real-> likely option.

I don't think he capitulates and let us send him anywhere, but I think if we and VAN both agree to work long term he might be open

and as I said,
I could see we send Bogen + KAM + for JTM +

I could see Elias Pett + Bogen as base for Dobson + Barzal

if that happens, Zib could be top dog in VAN, which may/may not make dif but shouldn't be negative short term

I agree
only possible places that fit on paper are:
VAN for above, or if only JTM goes [anywhere] and Elias Pett stays, then he's got his Swede bro

or
LA - ny of the west coast, hip music scene

outside maybe on Nash
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I don't know if you saw this but Kyperos is reporting that Zibanejad will not waive his NMC to a west coast team so operating off that intel, you should not entertain Ziba in VAN in any way, shape, or form. No VAN. No LA. No Vegas. Don't care how hip the music scene is. Don't care how many Swede bros are there for him to hang out with.

Bolded is pipe dream. The plus would be from us and it would be in the tune of a 1st with our valuable scraps.

You might say NO to that thought but know that I will go with the professional NHL analyst with connections, talking to actual NHL people, getting actual intel on the situation over forum speculation.

Also, why do you quote me if you don't even bother responding to my post. Kinda rude!
 
Why doesn't MSG ever air the alumni games, even on the Rangers website they should stream it? The Rangers management in the broadcast and social media world needs an upgrade.
 
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs said:
Not sure if you are paying attention but Mika has 5 points in the last 5 games now that Kreider isn't dragging him down. He's worth more to the Rangers if he regains his form than the terrible return would be trading him. Trade Kreider, Lindgren.
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oh but only if that were true
but unfortunately Zib -- whose d btw is still noticeably lackluster -- has played SO badly for so long this excursion, which cannot be justified, will drive away most suitors before we even get to the prima donna NMC aspect.
We are gonna have to retain max, take back bupkis and like it, and hope that is enuf to not require 3rd team like ANA eating another coupla mil per x 5 or whatev he has remaining, which we are gonna have to swallow

And no ?, Kreider >>>>>>>>> Zib on almost every level
 
n8 said:
I don't know if you saw this but Kyperos is reporting that Zibanejad will not waive his NMC to a west coast team so operating off that intel, you should not entertain Ziba in VAN in any way, shape, or form. No VAN. No LA. No Vegas. Don't care how hip the music scene is. Don't care how many Swede bros are there for him to hang out with.

Bolded is pipe dream. The plus would be from us and it would be in the tune of a 1st with our valuable scraps.

You might say NO to that thought but know that I will go with the professional NHL analyst with connections, talking to actual NHL people, getting actual intel on the situation over forum speculation.

Also, why do you quote me if you don't even bother responding to my post. Kinda rude!
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1. I am too busy w/way too much shit and I should not be here as much as I am, so pls excuse unintended error you consider signif enuf to be a slight where I recalled some content, but did not quote where/who from.
If I remembered who I would have said you.
Apologies.

2. I said specif that it does not look good for dealing zib esp since there was this report.
Howev, I put out there that while he has the upper hand now, Rs can go nuclear and keep sitting him. So at some pt -- not nec now -- he does have to get up and go.
Mindful of that, I fully expect him to thumb nose anything not to his liking.
Saying VAN is a more attractive option balance of this year, AND they are COMMITTING IN PUBLIC to deal you if you still want post season, to the preferred relocation of your choice, is a sincere gesture of bending over backwards, and it as such is a variable that could make a dif

3. As to JTM - we don't know b'c the first ? is whether or not they keep Elias Pett do they still want JT?
And the second ? is if they want to or have to move him, to what extent is JT putting the screws on the nucks?
If the screws are on tightly enuf, it might have to be for less not more of a return depending on what all that exactly is.

4. As to "bold is a pipe dream", the + was put on both sides to suggest balance.
Did not say their + would be greater.
Again, depends on what tune JT is singing
There is a pt at which we say no and either keep KAM or sell him elsewhere.

peace out
 
Shesterkybomb said:
Why in the world would nyr trade possibly one of the top 4 forwards we've ever had in Panarin, we just throwing shit at the wall now
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one scenario, dealing him is dumb; another it is smart
I rushed and forgot to include a pick w/Bischel in my prop

but let's face facts
he is NOT gonna sniff 11.6+ from us again
he may take 13 or so on a 1 yr deal
he may prefer 5-ish yrs at 9-ish
WE AINT PAYING ANY OF THOSE
The more term on him in his prime the higher our return

sell now
but for something worth it
 
RangersFan1994 said:
Any idea why he retired so young? He was such an awful pick
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Of the second round pick taken above him, he played more games than 18 of them and probably would have more than a couple others if he didn't have the concussion thing. He wasn't a good pick by any means but it wasn't really that bad, just one that didn't work out. He had a lot of good tools.
 
Claiming Ty Smith would be another savvy move by Drury, especially with the likely trade of Lindgren in the next month or so.

24, has decent numbers, dirt cheap and is an RFA at years end.
 
On his wikipedia page they say of Nieves that his final year he signed with Tampa---would have played for his hometown Syracuse AHL team that year but didn't because of a head injury. I don't know how many concussions he had. He might have had a few though. He could really skate and was also really good at carrying the puck. Decent player defensively. Very little creative play and never scored very much either. He could be a very intelligent person but he was low IQ as a hockey player. His point production underwhelmed at Michigan U., with the Hartford AHL team and with the Rangers whenever he got the chance.
 
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