Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[haohmaru]

The fact that you have to put X all our posts should tell you you’re not seeing how bad Rempe really is

Dudes a liability . The end

He might improve, but right now his biggest "asset" (physicality/intimidation) is severely gimped by the league as he's afraid to do ANYTHING out there. He's useless at this point.

 

[duhmetreE]

Drury better be weaponizing the cap space this season... it's like free assets

we should be adding 3rd round picks. like we freaking gave up for Kane

The fact that you have to put X all our posts should tell you you’re not seeing how bad Rempe really is

Dudes a liability . The end

Rempe is just proof that we need energy players for this Eeyoore roster. Olivier would be a nice add.

 

[GAGLine]

Drury better be weaponizing the cap space this season... it's like free assets

There aren't that many pending UFAs who are potential cap dumps on good teams with limited cap space. The opportunity to weaponize our cap space isn't really there.

 

[Fitzy]

There aren't that many pending UFAs who are potential cap dumps on good teams with limited cap space. The opportunity to weaponize our cap space isn't really there.

Therein lies the issue.

The cap is going up, so players on big contracts aren't free. Even those who are performing poorly relative to their salary are getting a neutral return like Trouba.

So it's not enough to have cap space. NY will have to trade futures, of which we already have troublingly few.

 

[duhmetreE]

what are we doing with Chytil? the guy is not reliable?

He's our best 5v5 center but he's always out or just getting back in. Have to make a move here or get a backup plan

 

[Vitto79]

what are we doing with Chytil? the guy is not reliable?

He's our best 5v5 center but he's always out or just getting back in. Have to make a move here or get a backup plan

He’s not tradeable for that reason . Just gotta live with him being safe and missing a few games

He might improve, but right now his biggest "asset" (physicality/intimidation) is severely gimped by the league as he's afraid to do ANYTHING out there. He's useless at this point.

Yea dudes in a bad spot . He’s going to be timid

 

[duhmetreE]

He’s not tradeable for that reason . Just gotta live with him being safe and missing a few games



Yea dudes in a bad spot . He’s going to be timid

We need to get a back up plan then. It’s been memed but I’d try Laf at center

 

[Vitto79]

We need to get a back up plan then. It’s been memed but I’d try Laf at center

Yes I get it . Go get a Krebs who needs a change of scenery . Carrick can play wing or spare

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Chytil is tradable, but he’s probably at the point where he’s more valuable to the team than he would be in a trade.

 

[haohmaru]

Chytil is tradable, but he’s probably at the point where he’s more valuable to the team than he would be in a trade.

The Rangers need to move on. I love the guy, but every time he gets a little bit of momentum he's out of the lineup. Again. Rinse and repeat.

You can't build consistency with a guy like this on the team.

 

[bernmeister]

The fact that you have to put X all our posts should tell you you’re not seeing how bad Rempe really is

Dudes a liability . The end

no, not the end, just sez you
Also, OBJECTIVE proof you are wrong, he is not a liability is FACT they win more when he is the lineup
that is opposite of liability = an asset

He might improve, but right now his biggest "asset" (physicality/intimidation) is severely gimped by the league as he's afraid to do ANYTHING out there. He's useless at this point.

I believe it is a learning process, and last prior game where he got the misconduct he had a great game, just got sloppy one single instance w/raising the forearm = a brain fart. He has been playing well.
Let us hope he has enough discipline to do what he knows is right and advance.
Disagree as to he is afraid = useless
He will + should def be more reserved to pt of caution, but that is not useless
And as others noted, he provides real energy

.... Yea dudes in a bad spot . He’s going to be timid

Again, sez you
we'll see

 

[Fitzy]

The Rangers need to move on. I love the guy, but every time he gets a little bit of momentum he's out of the lineup. Again. Rinse and repeat.

You can't build consistency with a guy like this on the team.

IDk what that means. By that logic no team in the league would want him

 

[Vitto79]

no, not the end, just sez you
Also, OBJECTIVE proof you are wrong, he is not a liability is FACT they win more when he is the lineup
that is opposite of liability = an asset



I believe it is a learning process, and last prior game where he got the misconduct he had a great game, just got sloppy one single instance w/raising the forearm = a brain fart. He has been playing well.
Let us hope he has enough discipline to do what he knows is right and advance.
Disagree as to he is afraid = useless
He will + should def be more reserved to pt of caution, but that is not useless
And as others noted, he provides real energy



Again, sez you
we'll see

He plays 5 minutes cause he’s not trusted

The Ws is a goofy stat for that reason.

Not like I don’t want him to do well I just don’t see it happening and rather play Berard

Heck I atleast trust Vesey to be a good defensive F and I d dump him for a mid round pick

 

[noncents]

A lot depends on the type of cap space that’s available and what they are able to secure at the deadline. It’s possible that a possible Kreider trade returns a good, developing young defenseman who could start in the NHL next year in a depth role.

Overall, I think the right move is Lindgren gone, possibly Borgen as well. I’d consider signing Borgen as a UFA if he makes it. I’d seriously consider Gavrikov at ~$5.75-6.25m per season as well.

Just as an example of what I mean:

Deadline
Borgen to Colorado for COL 2nd + 3rd
Kreider to LA for Jeannot + 1st + 2nd + 2nd
Lindgren to Minnesota for 2nd + 5th
Smith at 50% to Vegas for 2nd
Jones to Utah for 3rd + 6th

Offseason
Id consider trading a 6th to Colorado for Borgen’s rights to re-sign him. Say 4 years at $3.25m per season

Sign Gavrikov for 7 years at $6m per season

Gavrikov-Fox
Miller-Borgen
Vaak-Schneider

That’s a much improved defense and it’s not really all that expensive honestly. You could convince me of trading Miller in a package or by himself for a comparable young forward and signing Orlov to a 3 year deal. I like the way he plays in general and I think he’d fit with the type of player the back end could use.

these are all perfectly good ideas, Viper, like i'm generally on board with the moves and the numbers... but you're living in a fantasy world. you know none of this will happen right? Maybe we move Jones but you're not getting this kind of return for him.

All of your returns are inflated, actually, especially the Kreider one even with Jeannot cap dump.

We are not selling at the deadline, brother. We made our moves. We are trying to win.

 

[bernmeister]

He plays 5 minutes cause he’s not trusted

The Ws is a goofy stat for that reason.

Not like I don’t want him to do well I just don’t see it happening and rather play Berard

Heck I atleast trust Vesey to be a good defensive F and I d dump him for a mid round pick

He plays 5 min b'c stupid mgmt favors vets, has been a trend for years, they keep losing doing that, and until they bend, buckle and break on that, it will continue

On that item Rempe is a victim, not a cause

Vesey has been dead for a while and should have been gone since last season
he no longer has enough motor to do much

these are all perfectly good ideas, Viper, like i'm generally on board with the moves and the numbers... but you're living in a fantasy world. you know none of this will happen right? Maybe we move Jones but you're not getting this kind of return for him.

All of your returns are inflated, actually, especially the Kreider one even with Jeannot cap dump.

We are not selling at the deadline, brother. We made our moves. We are trying to win.

And if we continue to try w/same formula only a yr older w/same assets older, less energy, mo expensive, we deserve to continue to lose

win now = no, wrong
listen to bern

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

This Alumni game is brutal

 

[McRanger92]

I see no reason to trade Chytil. Upside is there. To mitigate the risk they need to acquire another guy capable of playing center in the top 9.

 

[GAGLine]

The Rangers need to move on. I love the guy, but every time he gets a little bit of momentum he's out of the lineup. Again. Rinse and repeat.

You can't build consistency with a guy like this on the team.

Who are you replacing him with? How much will that player cost? Will he be as good or better than Chytil?

There's no guarantee that the player we replace him with will be healthy. Chytil has 2 years left at a number we can afford. If he gets seriously hurt again, we can use LTIR to replace him.

We have enough holes to fill as it is without making more.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Prust and Stepan playing together in the alumni game…awkwardddd

 

[Vitto79]

He plays 5 min b'c stupid mgmt favors vets, has been a trend for years, they keep losing doing that, and until they bend, buckle and break on that, it will continue

On that item Rempe is a victim, not a cause

Vesey has been dead for a while and should have been gone since last season
he no longer has enough motor to do much


And if we continue to try w/same formula only a yr older w/same assets older, less energy, mo expensive, we deserve to continue to lose

win now = no, wrong
listen to bern

I do agree to sell but also buy players with say a year left

 

[bernmeister]

I do agree to sell but also buy players with say a year left

that objectively has to depend on the player, and whether or not what is a presumed vet is taking away mins from young player who needs mins

I've updated this based on what we have heard

per my usual, best hope for at least 1 if not multiple cups = EXTEND the window
this means deal vets for youth, few exceptions notwithstanding.

The out of nowhere Zib meltdown has complicated things with great negative forces. Even a premium payment to remove him must be acceptably profitable to a trade partner and that is not readily visible other than gutting nyr to an intolerable degree.

Deal Fox first so that the vet core, esp Zib, gets the message, no guarantees, but it likely makes enuf impression on him current posture is unsustainable.


1. NYR-OTT
Fox 9.5 + a later NYR 2nd [like 2027]
for
Pinto 3.7, Kleven elc < 1 , Grieg 3.25 x 4 say a round estimate = 7.8
ballpark cap dif [9.5 - 7.8] = 1.7, which Sens have suf cap room 6.4 +; also Rs can accept expiring cap dump [Harmonic? at 1-ish] if desired.

Assessment
Fox is 1RD top end complement w/Sanderson. This slightly thins OTT pivot, but the wince can be absorbed. Pick swap is down the road, so possible.

Rs get young D + Cs


2. Rs-‘nucks
This has to be done as an ‘A’ + ‘B’ scenario
VAN does not want to trade either Elias Pett or JTM, howev, it may have to move one or both. It def does NOT want Zib for either. On paper, it wants Zib for a buy low bargain. Zib said he does not want to go there. I don’t doubt that but I think if he gets out from under in NY, and is given a public assurance that if he does not like VAN they will try this off season to follow up trade him to the destinations of his preference, that I could see. The Rs can ultimately sit him every game, which is not a good look that he wants to explain to his little girl. And it is conceivable that if VAN does a deal with NYI for Dobson w/EP the other core piece going the other way, Mika could wind up 1C for ‘nucks.

So deal 2 ‘A’ – Rs ditch Mika to VAN for small pieces and accept cap dump Deshar.
Zib max 50% retained 4.25 to 4.25
for
Juulsen .775 exp., Raty 836.667 exp ->rfa , Forbort 1.5 expiring, Desharnais 2m x 2
ballpark cap is Rs eat 5-ish, ‘nucks take back 4.25 = around .75m to VAN

Rs gt 4.25 structural cap recovery. Juulsen ok bottom pair. Raty fine to add at position of need. Forbort is possible 3LD depth after selling Lindgren in separate move. Finally do VAN a solid adding the useless cooked python Desharnais.

This leaves VAN thin on bottom D depth, but that can be added easy ‘nuff, including follow up, incl w/Rs if nec. And they add a currently even guy w/first line exp for top 6.


Now deal 2 ‘B’ –
JTM says he wants out. Does he want out, OUT, or does he want out now b’c Elias P who may/may not get dealt.
And he says he would waive for NYR. But is that real? And how about when he gets here?
So 2B may or may not have to take place, but if it does just as 2A required some discount so is there some (but less) here on JTM

JTM full pop = 8 + VAN 2026 2nd
for
KAM [K’Andre Miller] 3.8 expiring -> rfa + Borgen 2.7 expiring -> ufa +C prospect Sykora = elc <1 + 2027 1st + cap dump Vesey .8
cap is ballpark =, 8 vs hair less than

So, if JT presses this, that gives Rs a solid 1C/W. If not they retain their pieces. Vice versa for ‘nucks. That said, VAN could bundle
Elias Pett. + Borgen + for Dobson + Barzal +


3. NYR-LAK
Shesty 5.6+ now [ext is next season, he agrees to waive b’c Rs are a mess]
Trocheck - 5.6+
NYR 2026 1st
Jones 800k+
Vaakanainen 1.1+
ballpark cap = 13.2

for

Byfield 6.25 x 5
Helenius 800K+ elc
Clarke 800K+ elc
+ LD prospect Jakub Dvorak, elc, 870k x 3
ballpark cap = 8.5

Deal enables dumping Rittich 1m expiring, to be sold elsewhere for a 7th, or if LA prefers, Rs can take

cap dif = roughly 4.7 which is easily covered by 9.9+ cap space


Assessment:
While surrender of Byfield is a major concession, Kings win this deal, but it is still a fit for Rs. Due to surplus depth, this pivot of the future is getting time at W, I am to understand. Trocheck assume he waives b’c the band is being broken up and LA is a good landing spot w/an emerging team, is face off win % leader. So Kopitar remains 1C this season and maybe 1-2 more, w/Tro at 2C ready to challenge, pushed by Danault at 3C, and others 4C.
But elite Shesty = best NHL G right now, Ks have serious wood to acquire, and he is locked up 8 seasons after this. THAT justifies this deal. Also 2026 Rs 1st. Vaak = good stopgap for now, and Jones is very good skater, effective puck mover. Loss of quality youth is a wince, but enough youth retained while LA upgrades team from compete to contend.

Rs add quality youth w/height and mobility. Kreider for now stays w/Byfield at pivot and we’ll see at JTM or Gabe Per at RW next season. Helenius betw Edstrom LW and Rempe RW can dominate and do more than just check once playing together -> chemistry kicks in. Add a quality LD prospect and RD Clarke, highly touted but just adding mins now.
Win win, too much on the plate for either team to refuse


4. Panarin twice retained to DAL, from Rs thru ANA
Bread retained 5.6+ to 6m to ANA, who eats 2.5 for 3.5 cap hit to DAL, and gets something less this year, plus full 2.5 value next year, and gets corresp futures/etc from Stars
Rs get Bichsel from DAL

5. Sell off surplus Lindgren at half + Robertson to Avs for mutually satisfactory picks
Rs have ruined Robertson, Avs need backliners


6. Smith, Carrick [back to Oil ?] for highest bidder



result for now presumes JTM to Rs happens

Kreider - Byfield - JTM
Othmann- Pinto/Grieg -Brodz/Berard
Cuylle - Chytil/Grieg/Raty - Chytil
Edstrom - Helenius -Rempe

forward depth = enough there ^ but usual suspects in the A if nec

Kleven - Schneider
KAM - Clarke
Forbort- Mancini/Juulsen
Bichsel marinating: Dvorak, Fortescue, Emery

usual suspects for D depth: Harpur/Mackey/Ruhwedel
Rasmus Larsson and Hank Kempf may be close enuf for cup of coffee if available


G: Garand reinforced Quick + Domingue

 

[Flan the incredible]

Borgen as a piece to get Rasmus Andersson from Calgary. Significant upgrade and still signed next year. Rangers have the cap the year after to resign him..

 

[Overcast]

Who are you replacing him with? How much will that player cost? Will he be as good or better than Chytil?

There's no guarantee that the player we replace him with will be healthy. Chytil has 2 years left at a number we can afford. If he gets seriously hurt again, we can use LTIR to replace him.

We have enough holes to fill as it is without making more.

Anyone. Anyone else. I don't get the reluctance of bringing in someone new to replace someone who physically can't play hockey. Because there's 1-2 unknowns? Then we should never trade anyone for anyone.

The known with Chytil is that his body cannot stand up to the physicality of hockey. The known is that Chytil cannot stay in the lineup with any consistency because he can't not get hurt. Literally anyone else with any degree of durability who can stay in the lineup is automatically better because they can consistently play and contribute.

 

[McRanger92]

Borgen as a piece to get Rasmus Andersson from Calgary. Significant upgrade and still signed next year. Rangers have the cap the year after to resign him..

How good is Rasmus? Significantly better than Schneider? If so he's a really good target.

 

[Bruner4329]

I see no reason to trade Chytil. Upside is there. To mitigate the risk they need to acquire another guy capable of playing center in the top 9.

Downside is there just as much. There are posters that want to project him as the number 2 center in plans for the future. You can not do that. The guy is literally one hit away from retirement and at this stage it is no longer a big hit. He is too fragile to rely upon. While he has limited trade value you can keep him but in no uncertain terms should he be counted on for a key role. Whatever you get for him is gravy and you take it for however long it lasts but it is almost too predictable that he will miss more ice time this season even if this time around he got off easy.