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Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

Rather than what I want, I'm gonna guess what happens

Kreider, Lindgren, Smith, and Vesey all dealt by the deadline
- Mostly for picks around 2nds and 3rds, but we get a solid young player back in the Kreider deal

Quick gets asked if he wants to be traded to a contender or stay, if he does get dealt it is for a 4th or 5th

Zib and K'andre both dealt in the offseason
- Zib in a Trouba-like deal
- K'andre for a decent young semi-reclamation player and a 1st in this draft

Borgen re-signed
Cuylle 5-6 year extension
Panarin and Trocheck stay
 
mrmovies779 said:
If we don't rebuild we will just continue the pattern of being good enough to get to the playoffs and not good enough to win the Cup.This entire organization and it's philosophy needs a complete overhaul for this team to ever take the next step.
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No rebuild has ever worked unless you luck into at least 1 and usually 2 future hall of famers. You also don’t bail on a team after 1 half season of poor play when we ended our last rebuild 3 years ago. There are moves to be made still but there’s no rebuild coming.
 
Alluckks said:
Rather than what I want, I'm gonna guess what happens

Kreider, Lindgren, Smith, and Vesey all dealt by the deadline
- Mostly for picks around 2nds and 3rds, but we get a solid young player back in the Kreider deal

Quick gets asked if he wants to be traded to a contender or stay, if he does get dealt it is for a 4th or 5th

Zib and K'andre both dealt in the offseason
- Zib in a Trouba-like deal
- K'andre for a decent young semi-reclamation player and a 1st in this draft

Borgen re-signed
Cuylle 5-6 year extension
Panarin and Trocheck stay
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I think if zib moves it’s for more than a Trouba deal in the off season.
There were reports that plenty of teams were interested in trouba this off season.
Mika is showing flashes, and if he’s just a change if scenery trade then it’s easier to both fit his deal and get assets back.

Trouba mid season got us a reclamation project and a pick, with zero retention.

Mika is more valuable.
 
Zibs isn’t going anywhere. I even have my
doubts Kreider gets moved at this point.

Ideally we coerce team to take him and Lindgren for that upgrade at LHD. Always circle back to Bichsel and Dallas. But Dallas would want a RHD.
 
IDvsEGO said:
I think if zib moves it’s for more than a Trouba deal in the off season.
There were reports that plenty of teams were interested in trouba this off season.
Mika is showing flashes, and if he’s just a change if scenery trade then it’s easier to both fit his deal and get assets back.

Trouba mid season got us a reclamation project and a pick, with zero retention.

Mika is more valuable.
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Troubla had a limited NTC though, Zib has full control and we can't theaten with waivers; will be interesting to see how it unfolds
 
GoAwayPanarin said:
I think if we genuinely want change, Panarin is the one who needs to go.

I'd like to do something else with those dollars and I'm kind of tired of his care less puck management (I know that comes with the territory.)

Plus we know the Playoffs bring out the worst in him.
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What do you even get in return
 
NYR Viper said:
I think it's Gavrikov and then someone like Orlov or Provorov.

Gavrikov-Fox
Olrov/Provorov-Schneider
Vaakanainen-___________

Maybe that spot is Mancini? Maybe it's another veteran UFA on a short term deal?
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They will keep Miller and sign 1 ufa Ld imo

Resign Borgen

Mancini still young and can play LD and RD
 
If we sign Borgen, Schneider can be a chip for upgrade at LHD or Center. Mancini a year closer. Emery a year closer.
 
Do players get paid the same amount of $ regardless of whether they make the playoffs?

I realize that many of these guys are ultra competitive and want to win the Cup but the cynic in me wonders if a lot of players could care less because there's no $ benefit (or is there?).

Probably an easy answer but I honestly have no clue. IMO, players should be compensated more $ if they're playing more games.
 
80s Kid said:
Do players get paid the same amount of $ regardless of whether they make the playoffs?

I realize that many of these guys are ultra competitive and want to win the Cup but the cynic in me wonders if a lot of players could care less because there's no $ benefit (or is there?).

Probably an easy answer but I honestly have no clue. IMO, players should be compensated more $ if they're playing more games.
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Bonuses in their contracts for things like Conn Smythe or winning the cup would be the most likely
 
Fitzy said:
A very bad hockey team
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Yeah if you don’t do anything with the space and just leave the spot open the team will suck more than they suck right now.

I wouldn’t really anticipate a full tear down though.

I’d allocate his dollars to someone else or multiple players. You can do a lot with that cap space, whether it be buying another big name or getting 2-3 really quality pieces.
 
BroadwayHustle said:
Bonuses in their contracts for things like Conn Smythe or winning the cup would be the most likely
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Performance bonuses are very limited. They are mostly for ELCs. And I don't think winning the Conn Smythe is one of them. I think only regular season awards are included in the schedule B bonuses.

Players get paid their full salary over the course of the regular season. There is a playoff bonus pool, funded by the NHL and NHLPA, paid to playoff teams based on how well they do. Florida got 242k per player for winning the cup.
 
GAGLine said:
Performance bonuses are very limited. They are mostly for ELCs. And I don't think winning the Conn Smythe is one of them. I think only regular season awards are included in the schedule B bonuses.

Players get paid their full salary over the course of the regular season. There is a playoff bonus pool, funded by the NHL and NHLPA, paid to playoff teams based on how well they do. Florida got 242k per player for winning the cup.
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You are right, it is actually against the CBA except for ELCs and over 35 contracts.
 
duhmetreE said:
If we sign Borgen, Schneider can be a chip for upgrade at LHD or Center. Mancini a year closer. Emery a year closer.
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How's Mancini for an extended Marcus Pettersson? Extend Borgen. Thats where my mind currently is. If they aren't going to trade Schneider for Jt, who Drury apparently has coveted for years, I dont think there's another guy out there he'd go for, sans Brady T.

Mancini is a good prospect but he's a 5th round pick who we'd be thrilled if he turned into Will Borgen down the road. And as you said Emery is working his way up behind Mancini. Garand is another prospect who is in the same boat roaster wise. Pittsburgh could use actual players close to the NHL, instead of 1st rounders that will get to the NHL when Sid is 40.

Anyway. that's where my mind has been with trades recently.
 
80s Kid said:
Do players get paid the same amount of $ regardless of whether they make the playoffs?

I realize that many of these guys are ultra competitive and want to win the Cup but the cynic in me wonders if a lot of players could care less because there's no $ benefit (or is there?).

Probably an easy answer but I honestly have no clue. IMO, players should be compensated more $ if they're playing more games.
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Yes, with a but...
The contract is the contract regardless of games played (excluding a few bonus clauses), and it's al paid out during the regular season (excluding signing bonuses and differed payments).

But, playoff performance does seem to have an effect on contract negotiations and future contracts, so making and performing in the playoffs will likely lead to increased $$ benefit in future years.

Also, to make it in any professional sport you have to (or 99% of athletes) have to be ultra competitive and think that you are all that and a bit more. That mindset needs to win, so the bast majority of athletes are in it to perform at their peak, which includes winning things.

There will always be exceptions. and there will always be players, especially older ones who have made all their $$ and are starting to check-out and think about what comes next, but for the most part if you aren't pushing to win, you aren't getting to the position where you can make the $ in the first place
 
80s Kid said:
Do players get paid the same amount of $ regardless of whether they make the playoffs?

I realize that many of these guys are ultra competitive and want to win the Cup but the cynic in me wonders if a lot of players could care less because there's no $ benefit (or is there?).

Probably an easy answer but I honestly have no clue. IMO, players should be compensated more $ if they're playing more games.
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Players make extra money for winning rounds in the playoffs. They’re called playoff shares.
The amount is divided among the team and they can add people like equipment managers and what not. It’s usually not a ton to a vet but a rookie it can be a months plus salary
 
McRanger92 said:
How's Mancini for an extended Marcus Pettersson? Extend Borgen. Thats where my mind currently is. If they aren't going to trade Schneider for Jt, who Drury apparently has coveted for years, I dont think there's another guy out there he'd go for, sans Brady T.

Mancini is a good prospect but he's a 5th round pick who we'd be thrilled if he turned into Will Borgen down the road. And as you said Emery is working his way up behind Mancini. Garand is another prospect who is in the same boat roaster wise. Pittsburgh could use actual players close to the NHL, instead of 1st rounders that will get to the NHL when Sid is 40.

Anyway. that's where my mind has been with trades recently.
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Petterson is at the bottom of the list but he’d still be much better than Lindgren
 


Wait, what?

Berard doesn't deserve the demotion, and Laviolette hates changing the lineup after wins. What is going on here? Did Bretty have a few pops last night and miss the flight today?
 
Guyute said:


Wait, what?

Berard doesn't deserve the demotion, and Laviolette hates changing the lineup after wins. What is going on here? Did Bretty have a few pops last night and miss the flight today?
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This makes no sense. Berard was bright spond he gets sent down. Stupid message to send to the youth especially when he was playing well.

DanielBrassard said:
Rangers want a center for the 3rd line and Berard is waiver exempt. Stupid as shit but have to think that’s the reason.
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They could have waived and dealt Vesey. It's a shame they send down young players to the AHL so they won't take that chance to lose a 12th 13th forward to waivers
 
I think I'm ok with this.
Berard isn't a finished product yet, and major minutes at the AHL level won't hurt his development.
I assume that at worst he'll be back up come the TDL, but wouldn't be surprised at all if it is before that.
Go down, work on the areas you've identified you need to be for best at highest level, and then come back a better player
Groulx deserves the call up and actually dressing for a game or two
 
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