Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[mrmovies779]

Borgen isn't going anywhere. the optic is they cashed in on Kakko, like a hockey trade where we now need to resign him

He keeps playing well and we might not be able to resign him.He might price himself out

 

[UnparalledPark]

would he waive for Buffalo?

Would you? Then he probably wouldn’t either.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

 

[RangerBoy]

The Rangers win a few games and everything is fine.

 

[n8]

Borgen isn't going anywhere. the optic is they cashed in on Kakko, like a hockey trade where we now need to resign him

Seems like a sunken cost fallacy. You can still cash in on Borgen too. Unless you think Borgen is a vital piece to a cup winning defense, you don't resign him just because of a perceived price you paid. Cut your nose to spite your face.

 

[Guyute]

i am not big on trade proposals

but saw note recently that Leafs seeking C w term

and then today a tweet they might offer Cowan (RW 28OA'23)

I consider something like
Zib for Tavares (rental, Cap balancing) plus Cowan and sweetener such as either of their pending RFA AHL Finnish Ds (Pack depth, and eventual chum for Vaisanan, he'll be there soon)

Could maybe flip JT at TDL to a contender, if he's willing

Zibanejad for Marner if the Leafs don't think they can re-sign him? Similar to the Mika for Rantanen deal that Renaud Lavoie suggested yesterday.

Zibanejad is set to play with Nylander at the 4Nations. I'm certain Mika would accept a trade to Toronto.

I'm not sure I want to pay $12 million+ to another winger, but at least we would get out of Mika's albatross contract.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The Rangers win a few games and everything is fine.

Until they lose a few then we're going to hear all about the issues again.

 

[bernmeister]

we just have nothing to offer Buffalo for Cozens. If only Chytil weren't made of glass.

Or even Byram. what would we be willing to give up for either of them?

no on Byram = too much concussion risk
Cozens is a maybe to continue progressing and Buf will want top $
so no x 2

I still like the idea of Miller for Mctavish. I'd be hoping for more coming back from Anaheim in that deal but that's the basis of a trade I would make. I think finding a good center is more important than fixing the defense, which I actually think could be improved quickly via UFA or shrewd trades for depth guys (see Vaak as an example).

I like KAM but McT > KAM
and if anything, we add

Tavares has a full NMC and grew up wearing Leafs pajamas. He will not be accepting a trade.

true but isn't his deal almost up?
And couldn't we release him after the transaction?
And if yes, then couldn't he do min $ contract w/TML after?

 

[Fitzy]

The Rangers win a few games and everything is fine.

Playing better or not, everyone who knows hockey knows we don't currently have the blueline for a cup run.

You don't win with a #1, three #4s, one #5, and a bunch of replacement level fodder.

The team isn't rebuilding so as much fun as it is to play around with sell-off scenarios, I don't think they are likely. Mabe one more high prices player gets moved, but we're sitting on cap space and there has been every indication Drury will use it to replace Trouba eventually.

 

[Guyute]

Seems like a sunken cost fallacy. You can still cash in on Borgen too. Unless you think Borgen is a vital piece to a cup winning defense, you don't resign him just because of a perceived price you paid. Cut your nose to spite your face.

Borgen has been decent so far. He's not perfect and will never move the puck like Quinn Hughes, but no team can afford a roster with 6 Quinn Hughes. I'm in favor of re-signing Borgen if we can keep him at 3-4 years at roughly $3 million.

 

[RangerBoy]

Borgen is playing well. Awesome. Maybe the Rangers can get a first round pick with retention in the deal. Borgen and Smith with 50% retention for both players to Edmonton for 1st round pick in 2026(top 10 lottery protected) or first round pick in 2027 with no protection, 2nd round pick in 2025 from the Blues and a 4th round pick in 2026. Depending upon on how the rest of the moves, Borgen could come back in the summer.

The players playing well have more value than the players who stink and make too much money. Everyone dwells on the lousy players.

Brooksie brought up Cozens in the pod. Where would he play with Mika and Trocheck on the team? Chytil too when healthy. I would blow everyone out of here to fit in Cozens. Play him at center. EF said everyone loves Trocheck. Wonderful. We should be able to get a really good return for him.

 

[duhmetreE]

We’re not going to sign Borgen and he’ll be a part of the next Cup winning d-unit. Mikkola 2.0. would be pretty nice right now instead of Lindgren

 

[noncents]

Seems like a sunken cost fallacy. You can still cash in on Borgen too. Unless you think Borgen is a vital piece to a cup winning defense, you don't resign him just because of a perceived price you paid. Cut your nose to spite your face.

i totally agree, it's stupid. i also am sure it's what we're gonna do. we are stupid.

Borgen is playing well. Awesome. Maybe the Rangers can get a first round pick with retention in the deal. Borgen and Smith with 50% retention for both players to Edmonton for 1st round pick in 2026(top 10 lottery protected) or first round pick in 2027 with no protection, 2nd round pick in 2025 from the Blues and a 4th round pick in 2026. Depending upon on how the rest of the moves, Borgen could come back in the summer.

The players playing well have more value than the players who stink and make too much money. Everyone dwells on the lousy players.

Brooksie brought up Cozens in the pod. Where would he play with Mika and Trocheck on the team? Chytil too when healthy. I would blow everyone out of here to fit in Cozens. Play him at center. EF said everyone loves Trocheck. Wonderful. We should be able to get a really good return for him.

the sooner you realize none of these moves are happening the less you'll be disappointed when they don't.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Borgen is interesting in terms of re-signing. I’m not sure I want to pay him 4M to play on the 3rd pairing going forward and I’m not sure he’s a guy you want on your 2nd pairing if you are a legitimate contender. What happens with Schneider? It adds a layer of questions if the rangers keep him. I think the prudent move is to get as much value as you can out of him in a trade. Unless the rangers change course and have the guts to trade Schneider in a package for a younger forward.

 

[McRanger92]

Borgen is playing well. Awesome. Maybe the Rangers can get a first round pick with retention in the deal. Borgen and Smith with 50% retention for both players to Edmonton for 1st round pick in 2026(top 10 lottery protected) or first round pick in 2027 with no protection, 2nd round pick in 2025 from the Blues and a 4th round pick in 2026. Depending upon on how the rest of the moves, Borgen could come back in the summer.

The players playing well have more value than the players who stink and make too much money. Everyone dwells on the lousy players.

Brooksie brought up Cozens in the pod. Where would he play with Mika and Trocheck on the team? Chytil too when healthy. I would blow everyone out of here to fit in Cozens. Play him at center. EF said everyone loves Trocheck. Wonderful. We should be able to get a really good return for him.

The rangers are probably going to decide if they are going to trade Borgen on deadline day. That won't stop people from being at each others throats over the decision for the next 2 months. I think they intend to re-sign him but if someone offers a first, sure, i'll trade him.

 

[noncents]

i totally get people having all sorts on opinions on what the Rangers should do this year and moving forward.

I don't get anyone deluding themselves about what they will do. Dolan calls the shots. he sees a team that was drastically underperforming after a historic regular season last year and a sustained period of success over 3 years after a rebuild, and he thinks they should compete. he tells drury make it happen. they traded picks for copp, vatrano, tank, kane, and Reilly smith as recently as july. They cleared space to sign igor, traded malcontents (jones is next) and rebuilt the bottom of their defense. this is all to have success right now, to compete right now, and to win right now.

how anyone could see otherwise is beyond me. to think they'll trade the team and rebuild is complete delusion.*


*i personally think this is the optimal course of action

 

[bernmeister]

i totally get people having all sorts on opinions on what the Rangers should do this year and moving forward.

I don't get anyone deluding themselves about what they will do. Dolan calls the shots. he sees a team that was drastically underperforming after a historic regular season last year and a sustained period of success over 3 years after a rebuild, and he thinks they should compete. he tells drury make it happen. they traded picks for copp, vatrano, tank, kane, and Reilly smith as recently as july. They cleared space to sign igor, traded malcontents (jones is next) and rebuilt the bottom of their defense. this is all to have success right now, to compete right now, and to win right now.

how anyone could see otherwise is beyond me. to think they'll trade the team and rebuild is complete delusion.*


*i personally think this is the optimal course of action

the delusion is with anyone who thinks doing something other than most correct course of action is the way to go. That means Dolan and everyone else who wants win now in spite of what bern has demonstrated that win now = fail fail, must ultimately learn with da bern. In the meantime, we will all suffer
living = learning

but spare us the nonsense that just bc Dolan wants to go in a specific way it - the right way
righteousness here based on merit
not power, $$, ownership, etc

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Zibanejad for Marner if the Leafs don't think they can re-sign him? Similar to the Mika for Rantanen deal that Renaud Lavoie suggested yesterday.

Zibanejad is set to play with Nylander at the 4Nations. I'm certain Mika would accept a trade to Toronto.

I'm not sure I want to pay $12 million+ to another winger, but at least we would get out of Mika's albatross contract.

oh yeah im sure mika wants to deal w toronto media lol

 

[McRanger92]

i totally get people having all sorts on opinions on what the Rangers should do this year and moving forward.

I don't get anyone deluding themselves about what they will do. Dolan calls the shots. he sees a team that was drastically underperforming after a historic regular season last year and a sustained period of success over 3 years after a rebuild, and he thinks they should compete. he tells drury make it happen. they traded picks for copp, vatrano, tank, kane, and Reilly smith as recently as july. They cleared space to sign igor, traded malcontents (jones is next) and rebuilt the bottom of their defense. this is all to have success right now, to compete right now, and to win right now.

how anyone could see otherwise is beyond me. to think they'll trade the team and rebuild is complete delusion.*


*i personally think this is the optimal course of action

I dont agree that rebuilding is a good course of action but anyone who disagrees with the rest of your post is in denial.

 

[eco's bones]

The Rangers win a few games and everything is fine.

Even if you were optimistic about the last few games the margins for the Rangers making the playoffs are shit. From past experience heroic runs into the final stretch of the season that end with the team out anyway or even just squeezing in just land us with worse draft position and/or deplete our prospect pool if we make some deal out of desperation. The real issues then tend to just get worse.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Seems like a sunken cost fallacy. You can still cash in on Borgen too. Unless you think Borgen is a vital piece to a cup winning defense, you don't resign him just because of a perceived price you paid. Cut your nose to spite your face.

I feel like, at best, if we can get the top 4 figured out an find a real stud anchor then the coach can assign Borgen a roll i believ he can fill.

That of prime Kevin Klein.

3rd pair. Reliable. Bad cop when needed. Chip in a few pts as needed. Consentrate on Defense and giving 100% for 10 minutes a night.

If he isnt seeking crazy money and coach doesnt put more than that on his plate. I see a guy who we'd be over paying via FA begging for, or trading for, when we are competitive again.

The salary matters. But I think he could fill that specific role. One less hole to fill. Similar to how everyone is complaining about letting Mikkola walk to FLA.

 

[mrmovies779]

I dont agree that rebuilding is a good course of action but anyone who disagrees with the rest of your post is in denial.

If we don't rebuild we will just continue the pattern of being good enough to get to the playoffs and not good enough to win the Cup.This entire organization and it's philosophy needs a complete overhaul for this team to ever take the next step.

 

[eco's bones]

Borgen isn't going anywhere. the optic is they cashed in on Kakko, like a hockey trade where we now need to resign him

Do they sign Borgen by the deadline then? Because if they don't the ball's in his court. He can go to unrestricted free agency in July and get the best deal he can. So if Drury doesn't trade or sign him before the deadline he either pays Borgen what he wants after deadline day or gets nothing while watching him walk away.

The other part of that is Borgen's a RD. And we have Fox, Schneider and Mancini. That position is not even close to being the weakest position on the team.

I can't say with certainty what Drury is going to do in the end but if I were in his shoes and there was a good offer for his services out there I'd be moving him.

 

[cheech70]

I like Pasta.....gnocchi number 1

 

[Vitto79]

So Cuylee, Chytil , Kaliyev ?