Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[IDvsEGO]

I'm talking about in the 2024 offseason...

You were a few goals away from the Cup...Then Drury jettisoned Goodrow and opened up 3.6M. Then we find out that Trouba was also on the block last offseason and they could've forced his hand then and got another 8M in cap space that Drury could've used.

OK - So Drury didn't use the cap space and now the rangers are going to have a bunch more cap space going forward. So the question is...Does Drury know what he's doing and have a plan to use it - Or has the window shut on true cup contention because the GM doesn't know what he's doing?

What are you talking about. We started the season with like 700k in cap space.
We got smith (who hasn’t been bad) and we got carrick.

drury used the cap space.

 

[Uglybstrd]

Id kill to have prime sean avery on this team. Avery would be sooooo good in todays nhl. Was a good skater, great forechecker, great passer and would be tougher than 95% of players in todays game

I would love prime Avery on this team as well. Throw in Brandon Prust as well. THose two was among my favorite players on those Rangers teams 12-15 years ago.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I want no part of miller for zib. That just screams we are still going for it.

Would rather eat half of zibs salary and ship him for a 7th so we can give Chytil more minutes and hopefully draft a new center with a top 5 pick.

It screams trading a bad player for a good one. No idea why anyone would be against that.

 

[zlev]

Saying Goodrow and Trouba have been "awful," "haven't played well for years," and thus their "intangibles mean even less" is all fine a and well, but...

Look at how the team has been playing since they've been removed.

Of course Sherterkin is all world, but this exact same team was a few goals away from the finals, and months later they might be picking top 5. Seems to me you might have well run it back with the "overpaid" Goodrow and Trouba, because sure looks like they were more valuable on the team than off of it.

And the fact that Drury hasn't used their cap space money to improve the team makes it even mor emind-boggling.

this team played its worst hockey when Trouba was still in the lineup. it didn't get any better because we replaced him with players that are just as bad. Drury would've used the cap space had he been able to move Trouba in the offseason, maybe for an entire defensive pair. unfortunately he wasn't moved until December and it's much harder to add salary in-season obviously. Drury has made a ton of mistakes but cutting ties with Goodrow and Trouba are not among them.

 

[Mr Mxmzptlk]

I'm talking about in the 2024 offseason...

You were a few goals away from the Cup...Then Drury jettisoned Goodrow and opened up 3.6M. Then we find out that Trouba was also on the block last offseason and they could've forced his hand then and got another 8M in cap space that Drury could've used.

OK - So Drury didn't use the cap space and now the rangers are going to have a bunch more cap space going forward. So the question is...Does Drury know what he's doing and have a plan to use it - Or has the window shut on true cup contention because the GM doesn't know what he's doing?

You're assuming that this was an actual Cup contender -- it was not....it was a team that lived and died on its goaltending and power play. No way that was sustainable. As for Goodrow and Trouba, they were gone no matter what happened this season. IF the bottom hadn't dropped out, their cap space would be used to bolster the team's chances for the cup. No need for that now.

 

[zlev]

my dream team for next season

Panarin-E.Pettersson-Perreault
Cuylle-Chytil-Lafreniere
Kreider-Trocheck-Berard
4th line

Gavrikov-Fox
M.Pettersson-Schneider
Vaak-Mancini

i still dont like that 3rd pairing but i'm running out of cap space. Miller gone in the trade for Elias. i think it's a fantasy to get him without giving up Perreault but imagine if you could?

 

[LORDE]

I'm talking about in the 2024 offseason...

You were a few goals away from the Cup...Then Drury jettisoned Goodrow and opened up 3.6M. Then we find out that Trouba was also on the block last offseason and they could've forced his hand then and got another 8M in cap space that Drury could've used.

OK - So Drury didn't use the cap space and now the rangers are going to have a bunch more cap space going forward. So the question is...Does Drury know what he's doing and have a plan to use it - Or has the window shut on true cup contention because the GM doesn't know what he's doing?

Your last question is a good one.

None of us have that answer.

Your other stuff, as many others pointed out, some could've been more polite I guess, is a little misinformed.

Goody was REALLY bad the past few yrs EXCEPT last season's playoff. Recent memory doesn't absolve what he was.

Trouba was even worse & for his contract, it made the situation even worse.

No one knows what's truly going on in that locker room but it's toxic & the Goody issue & Trouba issue didn't CREATE that. It was already there, whatever it is.

As far as the cap goes, Drury gave that savings to Shesty so we have cap this season but not nearly close to "a ton" next season & beyond.

 

[periferal]

You're assuming that this was an actual Cup contender -- it was not....it was a team that lived and died on its goaltending and power play. No way that was sustainable. As for Goodrow and Trouba, they were gone no matter what happened this season. IF the bottom hadn't dropped out, their cap space would be used to bolster the team's chances for the cup. No need for that now.

Respect. Assuming your comment about this team NOT being an actual contender are true then seems very foolish to have given a bunch of big time contracts to guys years ago only to have to dump them when (rightly or wrongly) you were a few goals from the Cup.

Trouba/Kreider/Zib should have been traded years ago when they still had good value for better 5 on 5 players and then you'd have more of a sustainable contender.

Because right now what's the path out of this and back to Cup contention? Other than Fox the entire defense needs to be resigned/replaced, and other than Laf (who's young and still growing) the "core" forwards are a combination of older, soft, and not exactly big time playoff producers.

Obviously NYC will always be a designation for free agents, but rarely is a team built through UFA. I guess they can *win* the lottery again and get Hagens this offseason which would be a serious coup, but most other prospects will need a few years to fill out.

Just all seems so up in the air right now when 9 months ago it looked like the window was wide open for years,

 

[eco's bones]

Coming in peace. I do not follow the rangers situation/team that closely, but beyond shocked at how this season is turning out for them. I just don't understand why things went off the rails so quickly when this team was a legit contender the last few years, but seems like there was a ton going on behind the scenes this offseason that mattered a lot more than the public knows.

Here's what I don't understand...

• Barclay Goodrow - Why in the world did Drury feel the need to totally jettison a character guy like Goodrow? Of course Goodrow is fading, but his worth to a team was never an on ice thing. It was always intangibles so not sure how Drury could've thought removing him would be well received by any of the players. I could understand if BG was moved to open up cap space for a corresponding move to get younger/fill his leadership void, but to just let him go? Like WTF Drury?
• Jacob Trouba - Then we find out that Drury wanted to get rid of Trouba since the offseason and I'm totally floored (not because of this single move, but the seemingly overall plan Drury has). Once again, Trouba is not nearly the player he once was, but we're talking about removing not only intangibles from your lineup, but your captain. For a team that desperately needs more grit and leadership, what in the heck did Drury think was going to happen to the rest of the team.
• Chris Kreider/Dumping Salaries - And we also hear that Kreider is totally on the block. When you add up all the moves you have to think that Drury wanted to open up a bunch of cap space to trade for an all star player deal he had in the hopper. Either that or certain players were so upset with how Goodrow/Trouba were treated and they wanted out. But let's be honest...This is New York and you'd have to really alienate players to such a severe degree to get them to want to leave.

Maybe Drury will be all in on Marner this offseason and more will make sense, but right now getting rid of the little leadership you have from a Cup contending team only to not replace it (or make ANY additions short of a bust on waivers) seems baffling at best. Because right now given how the top players are playing, the lack of toughness/leadership, this team feels miles away from a Cup...And since Drury might've alienated the locker room it may take a lot to get them back.

Guess I just don't understand what's going on there at all. Does anyone understand, and agree with, what Drury is doing?

Not sure too many are going to like your post. Trouba and Goodrow were never really favorites of the fanbase.

That said what made Mark Messier who he was---well it was partly he was really f***ing talented but almost as important was he had an Alpha personality and when you look at the Rangers leadership last year---the A's and the C. Panarin kind of has always marched to his own drum. I always got the sense that his A was more an honorary A because he was just our biggest producer. Mika is too laid back and we're seeing more of that this year. Kreider's kind of there and kind of not there. Trouba and Goodrow like them or not were the real assholes of assholes as far as our team went. The most likely to create shit when the team was playing like shit. They were the take no prisoners guys and with them gone we don't really have guys like that anymore. We have Rempe who can f*** somebody up but he's got a happy go lucky personality and also he's really young and not a regular. Cuylle could get there but he's also still really young.

From what I understand it was Goodrow's idea last year to have the line brawl the night Rempe and MacDermid were going to go and that shit can really bond a team.

Anyway the lack of Alpha personalities on this year's team is something I mentioned some time ago. It basically means we lack good leadership. Having a guy that will step up and take a team on his back when the chips are down. It's worth arguing OTOH that both Trouba and Goodrow were overpaid and their play on the ice was getting worse and worse. They were still are biggest two assholes and teams hated playing against them.

 

[LORDE]

Respect. Assuming your comment about this team NOT being an actual contender are true then seems very foolish to have given a bunch of big time contracts to guys years ago only to have to dump them when (rightly or wrongly) you were a few goals from the Cup.

Trouba/Kreider/Zib should have been traded years ago when they still had good value for better 5 on 5 players and then you'd have more of a sustainable contender.

Because right now what's the path out of this and back to Cup contention? Other than Fox the entire defense needs to be resigned/replaced, and other than Laf (who's young and still growing) the "core" forwards are a combination of older, soft, and not exactly big time playoff producers.

NOW you get it!

welcome the the NYR HF BOARD

 

[bernmeister]

Krieder needs to be added to this list

no, no reason to bum's rush him off the team
zib is the one who's gotta go yesterday

we should also sell high on bread, fox etc

Lindgren coming back early from every injury. Hmmmm I wonder if that had any long term effects on him? Real stumper there. Trading a second for a clearly injured Kane. The players call the shots always.

b'c mgmt lets them and
b'c we let mgmt
NO STOP make players capitulate here
accept the consequences

Coming in peace. I do not follow the rangers situation/team that closely, but beyond shocked at how this season is turning out for them. I just don't understand why things went off the rails so quickly when this team was a legit contender the last few years, but seems like there was a ton going on behind the scenes this offseason that mattered a lot more than the public knows.

Here's what I don't understand...

• Barclay Goodrow - Why in the world did Drury feel the need to totally jettison a character guy like Goodrow? Of course Goodrow is fading, but his worth to a team was never an on ice thing. It was always intangibles so not sure how Drury could've thought removing him would be well received by any of the players. I could understand if BG was moved to open up cap space for a corresponding move to get younger/fill his leadership void, but to just let him go? Like WTF Drury?
• Jacob Trouba - Then we find out that Drury wanted to get rid of Trouba since the offseason and I'm totally floored (not because of this single move, but the seemingly overall plan Drury has). Once again, Trouba is not nearly the player he once was, but we're talking about removing not only intangibles from your lineup, but your captain. For a team that desperately needs more grit and leadership, what in the heck did Drury think was going to happen to the rest of the team.
• Chris Kreider/Dumping Salaries - And we also hear that Kreider is totally on the block. When you add up all the moves you have to think that Drury wanted to open up a bunch of cap space to trade for an all star player deal he had in the hopper. Either that or certain players were so upset with how Goodrow/Trouba were treated and they wanted out. But let's be honest...This is New York and you'd have to really alienate players to such a severe degree to get them to want to leave.

Maybe Drury will be all in on Marner this offseason and more will make sense, but right now getting rid of the little leadership you have from a Cup contending team only to not replace it (or make ANY additions short of a bust on waivers) seems baffling at best. Because right now given how the top players are playing, the lack of toughness/leadership, this team feels miles away from a Cup...And since Drury might've alienated the locker room it may take a lot to get them back.

Guess I just don't understand what's going on there at all. Does anyone understand, and agree with, what Drury is doing?

Goodrow declined/overpaid, had sufficient intangibles value still and we moved him mostly for cap and also to create roster mins

Trouba, I wanted dealt shortly after we got him when there was no nmc and we could have sold high
Instead we kept, he had his moments/some positives, but also disappointed
Another instance of cap space worth more

Kreider being available is a huge mistake
the guy is injured, but still ok on goals, and peeps criticize lack of assists
meanwhile, his linemates suck at the suck ass level and don't finish
yet somehow that is CK's fault

All teams need to move vets so youth is not underdeveloped and not ready come POs, and can max roster presence so as to help w/cap

Rs have not yet listened to bern on that score and continue to pay the price...

I want no part of miller for zib. That just screams we are still going for it.

Would rather eat half of zibs salary and ship him for a 7th so we can give Chytil more minutes and hopefully draft a new center with a top 5 pick.

Fact that zib has FINALLY shown A HINT of a pulse last 3-ish games is not enuf to save him, IMO

I would do jtm for zib and take the risk, but VAN is not that stupid

VAN wants, properly, full value for Elias Pett and also JTM should it sell either

IMO it does have interest in Mika on a separate deal full retained for scrubs b'c Zib can be useful low value mid 6 guy with outside chance of bargain bounceback, so they will send us 3 good scrubs [Raty, Juulsen, Forbot] + cap dump Desharnais

They may also want to dump Miller we don't know and we don't know if he will ONLY go to Rs

It is also possible if they get Mika, they can take their chances and peddle something around Elias Pett to Isles for Dobson and a stopgap pivot. That might spare need for jtm to feel desire to exit

So, make a separate deal now yes just effin lose Mika

and jtm play it by ear
yes there is risk but we can come up w/something
maybe in the middle is Miller for Miller, we throw in prospect or 2, keep Schneider

 

[McRanger92]

Staple had a Q&A on twitter. I know people dont like him (and I am one of them) but he's what we have. Mentioned JT Miller as a top target. Made it seem like a Kreider move will wait until the summer and that he's clearly not healthy enough for a team to give up anything for him. Interestingly, he said Mika would be amenable to waiving the NMC but wont go anywhere, put it at 51-49 that he's here next year fwiw. Lindgren 100% will be traded and K'Andre 40%.

As far as waiving NMCs, the Four Nations is going to go to have an impact on that. Mika will be playing with Pettersson and JT will be playing with Trocheck, Fox and presumably Kreider if healthy. It's at least been an interesting season so far.

Staple also mentioned Drury is not on the hot seat and Laviolette will get another year(f***!). Mentioned Brendan Shanahan for Lou's job, but I would love him for the Rangers if the season really goes off the rails and Drury gets canned.

 

[mike14]

Staple had a Q&A on twitter. I know people dont like him (and I am one of them) but he's what we have. Mentioned JT Miller as a top target. Made it seem like a Kreider move will wait until the summer and that he's clearly not healthy enough for a team to give up anything for him. Interestingly, he said Mika would be amenable to waiving the NMC but wont go anywhere, put it at 51-49 that he's here next year fwiw. Lindgren 100% will be traded and K'Andre 40%.

As far as waiving NMCs, the Four Nations is going to go to have an impact on that. Mika will be playing with Pettersson and JT will be playing with Trocheck, Fox and presumably Kreider if healthy. It's at least been an interesting season so far.

Staple also mentioned Drury is not on the hot seat and Laviolette will get another year(f***!). Mentioned Brendan Shanahan for Lou's job, but I would love him for the Rangers if the season really goes off the rails and Drury gets canned.

I don't really follow NHL front offices much but what in Shanahan's almost 16 years with the Leafs (or even his time with the NHL) makes you think he'd be a good hire here?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/latest-news/rangers-give-permission-for-zac-jones-to-seek-trade-according-to-nhl-insider

Great job Drury.

 

[17futurecap]

No reason to rush a Kreider trade by the deadline, let him get healthy, get his updated no trade list in the summer.

Don’t limit yourself to 3-4 teams that would want him for a playoff run this year in exchange for like pick 29.

Or just bring him back as a healthy veteran player next season, the Rangers aren’t going to be in cap hell, dumping Goodrow and Trouba and taking back no money was a blessing and a clearing of the books.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Staple had a Q&A on twitter. I know people dont like him (and I am one of them) but he's what we have. Mentioned JT Miller as a top target. Made it seem like a Kreider move will wait until the summer and that he's clearly not healthy enough for a team to give up anything for him. Interestingly, he said Mika would be amenable to waiving the NMC but wont go anywhere, put it at 51-49 that he's here next year fwiw. Lindgren 100% will be traded and K'Andre 40%.

As far as waiving NMCs, the Four Nations is going to go to have an impact on that. Mika will be playing with Pettersson and JT will be playing with Trocheck, Fox and presumably Kreider if healthy. It's at least been an interesting season so far.

Staple also mentioned Drury is not on the hot seat and Laviolette will get another year(f***!). Mentioned Brendan Shanahan for Lou's job, but I would love him for the Rangers if the season really goes off the rails and Drury gets canned.

Well now we k ow what won’t happen.

 

[Ruggs225]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/latest-news/rangers-give-permission-for-zac-jones-to-seek-trade-according-to-nhl-insider

Great job Drury.

Not drury. Its the coaches. Thry make the lineup. Not his fault every coach loves lindgren for no reason.

 

[periferal]

NOW you get it!

welcome the the NYR HF BOARD

So...Is that an endorsement of Drury or not?

Not drury. Its the coaches. Thry make the lineup. Not his fault every coach loves lindgren for no reason.

Always love it when a fan gives a GM a pass, but gives shit to the coach he could replace anytime.

 

[TGWL]

Jones trade clock starts now

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers defenseman just stand there. Any suggestions Housley?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Jones hasn’t lit the world on fire by any means but the poor guy basically sat an entire season and watched from the stands before finally getting his chance.

I thought he was alright but other LHD have been worse and then they bring in a couple of D and push him out again. I don’t blame him for being pissed.

Hopefully the Rangers will get something of value for him but he’s likely worth like a 5th or 4th at most

 

[Ruggs225]

So...Is that an endorsement of Drury or not?



Always love it when a fan gives a GM a pass, but gives shit to the coach he could replace anytime.

I hate drury with a passion and always call him out. He does not make decisions about the lineup. No GM does. That is the coach.

 

[periferal]

I hate drury with a passion and always call him out. He does not make decisions about the lineup. No GM does. That is the coach.

You can't be serious about the obliviousness of this can you?

 

[Vitto79]

So Jones can talk to other teams meaning home wants him ?

 

[Boom Quack]

Good analysis on rangers recent play:

The problem with NYR

Workshop 152: How overzealous offense leads to poor defense

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