Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[dino26]

As a big Mika fan I hope he is not involved in any trade and that he turns it around.

MIKA MAGIC!

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Curious that Mika for JT rumor is reported on by a Penguins writer from The Athletic.

Jim Rutherford using an old mouthpiece to do some media negotiations?

 

[kovazub94]

I know people would like a fire sale in some ways and I'm not against good fair value trades but keep in mind we still have to ice a team next season and we don't have much ready on the farm. We can't just ice a team of rookies.

I personally would move around 4-6 of our forwards and 1-3 of our Dmen.

9 player (of 21 skaters roster) is a huge turnover!!!

 

[JohnC]

I mean, if that report’s true it’s not surprising since Miller for Zibanejad is a clear L for Vancouver.

It’d be like trading Miller for Vlad Namestnikov.

 

[mike14]

Curious that Mika for JT rumor is reported on by a Penguins writer from The Athletic.

Jim Rutherford using an old mouthpiece to do some media negotiations?

the current nomenclature is 'soft tampering'

 

[NickyFotiu]

9 player (of 21 skaters roster) is a huge turnover!!!

I agree! I actually said 5 to 9 but the point is the same.

 

[periferal]

Coming in peace. I do not follow the rangers situation/team that closely, but beyond shocked at how this season is turning out for them. I just don't understand why things went off the rails so quickly when this team was a legit contender the last few years, but seems like there was a ton going on behind the scenes this offseason that mattered a lot more than the public knows.

Here's what I don't understand...

• Barclay Goodrow - Why in the world did Drury feel the need to totally jettison a character guy like Goodrow? Of course Goodrow is fading, but his worth to a team was never an on ice thing. It was always intangibles so not sure how Drury could've thought removing him would be well received by any of the players. I could understand if BG was moved to open up cap space for a corresponding move to get younger/fill his leadership void, but to just let him go? Like WTF Drury?
• Jacob Trouba - Then we find out that Drury wanted to get rid of Trouba since the offseason and I'm totally floored (not because of this single move, but the seemingly overall plan Drury has). Once again, Trouba is not nearly the player he once was, but we're talking about removing not only intangibles from your lineup, but your captain. For a team that desperately needs more grit and leadership, what in the heck did Drury think was going to happen to the rest of the team.
• Chris Kreider/Dumping Salaries - And we also hear that Kreider is totally on the block. When you add up all the moves you have to think that Drury wanted to open up a bunch of cap space to trade for an all star player deal he had in the hopper. Either that or certain players were so upset with how Goodrow/Trouba were treated and they wanted out. But let's be honest...This is New York and you'd have to really alienate players to such a severe degree to get them to want to leave.

Maybe Drury will be all in on Marner this offseason and more will make sense, but right now getting rid of the little leadership you have from a Cup contending team only to not replace it (or make ANY additions short of a bust on waivers) seems baffling at best. Because right now given how the top players are playing, the lack of toughness/leadership, this team feels miles away from a Cup...And since Drury might've alienated the locker room it may take a lot to get them back.

Guess I just don't understand what's going on there at all. Does anyone understand, and agree with, what Drury is doing?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Hasn't Miller missed games this season for "personal reasons"?

Anyone know what's going on with him?

Yes he has. Now if he’s traded here and wants some personal reason time off he can take K’Andrea (no relation) with him.
Together they can hang out in Central Park on the Derick Sanderson, Theo Fluery, Kevin Stevens Memorial Bench and whine to each other on how hard it is to be a pampered millionaire athlete for an organization that treats them like gods.

 

[dino26]

Coming in peace. I do not follow the rangers situation/team that closely, but beyond shocked at how this season is turning out for them. I just don't understand why things went off the rails so quickly when this team was a legit contender the last few years, but seems like there was a ton going on behind the scenes this offseason that mattered a lot more than the public knows.

Here's what I don't understand...

• Barclay Goodrow - Why in the world did Drury feel the need to totally jettison a character guy like Goodrow? Of course Goodrow is fading, but his worth to a team was never an on ice thing. It was always intangibles so not sure how Drury could've thought removing him would be well received by any of the players. I could understand if BG was moved to open up cap space for a corresponding move to get younger/fill his leadership void, but to just let him go? Like WTF Drury?
• Jacob Trouba - Then we find out that Drury wanted to get rid of Trouba since the offseason and I'm totally floored (not because of this single move, but the seemingly overall plan Drury has). Once again, Trouba is not nearly the player he once was, but we're talking about removing not only intangibles from your lineup, but your captain. For a team that desperately needs more grit and leadership, what in the heck did Drury think was going to happen to the rest of the team.
• Chris Kreider/Dumping Salaries - And we also hear that Kreider is totally on the block. When you add up all the moves you have to think that Drury wanted to open up a bunch of cap space to trade for an all star player deal he had in the hopper. Either that or certain players were so upset with how Goodrow/Trouba were treated and they wanted out. But let's be honest...This is New York and you'd have to really alienate players to such a severe degree to get them to want to leave.

Maybe Drury will be all in on Marner this offseason and more will make sense, but right now getting rid of the little leadership you have from a Cup contending team only to not replace it (or make ANY additions short of a bust on waivers) seems baffling at best. Because right now given how the top players are playing, the lack of toughness/leadership, this team feels miles away from a Cup...And since Drury might've alienated the locker room it may take a lot to get them back.

Guess I just don't understand what's going on there at all. Does anyone understand, and agree with, what Drury is doing?

For me you hit the nail on the head!

If I had to summarize there is a disconnect between management and the players causing extremely low morale which has translated into poor performances.

 

[Siddi]

Is The Athletic not a legit source?

Clearly clickbait. Rumor is coming from Pens mouthpiece not to mention Mika himself came out and squashed all the trade/waive rumors.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

As a big Mika fan I hope he is not involved in any trade and that he turns it around.

MIKA MAGIC!

The magic is gone, the only magic that's left is if we can turn a pumpkin into a carriage once again with a trade including Mika in a reverse of our 1st one. It would be pretty incredible if we traded a slowing Brassard for Prime Mika, then traded a slowing Mika for a prime JT.

 

[kovazub94]

.... The Detroit teams of a few years ago were always quite good at that, and it's why they were able to be a constant threat in the playoffs.

The Rangers would like to follow that in theory, but management has failed at it in practice.

You should check on the bolded...

 

[Ruggs225]

I want no part of miller for zib. That just screams we are still going for it.

Would rather eat half of zibs salary and ship him for a 7th so we can give Chytil more minutes and hopefully draft a new center with a top 5 pick.

 

[bhamill]

Coming in peace. I do not follow the rangers situation/team that closely, but beyond shocked at how this season is turning out for them. I just don't understand why things went off the rails so quickly when this team was a legit contender the last few years, but seems like there was a ton going on behind the scenes this offseason that mattered a lot more than the public knows.

Here's what I don't understand...

• Barclay Goodrow - Why in the world did Drury feel the need to totally jettison a character guy like Goodrow? Of course Goodrow is fading, but his worth to a team was never an on ice thing. It was always intangibles so not sure how Drury could've thought removing him would be well received by any of the players. I could understand if BG was moved to open up cap space for a corresponding move to get younger/fill his leadership void, but to just let him go? Like WTF Drury?
• Jacob Trouba - Then we find out that Drury wanted to get rid of Trouba since the offseason and I'm totally floored (not because of this single move, but the seemingly overall plan Drury has). Once again, Trouba is not nearly the player he once was, but we're talking about removing not only intangibles from your lineup, but your captain. For a team that desperately needs more grit and leadership, what in the heck did Drury think was going to happen to the rest of the team.
• Chris Kreider/Dumping Salaries - And we also hear that Kreider is totally on the block. When you add up all the moves you have to think that Drury wanted to open up a bunch of cap space to trade for an all star player deal he had in the hopper. Either that or certain players were so upset with how Goodrow/Trouba were treated and they wanted out. But let's be honest...This is New York and you'd have to really alienate players to such a severe degree to get them to want to leave.

Maybe Drury will be all in on Marner this offseason and more will make sense, but right now getting rid of the little leadership you have from a Cup contending team only to not replace it (or make ANY additions short of a bust on waivers) seems baffling at best. Because right now given how the top players are playing, the lack of toughness/leadership, this team feels miles away from a Cup...And since Drury might've alienated the locker room it may take a lot to get them back.

Guess I just don't understand what's going on there at all. Does anyone understand, and agree with, what Drury is doing?

Not to be rude, but your post after “I do not follow the rangers situation/team closely” absolutely makes that statement an UNDERSTATEMENT.
Goodrow and Trouba are massively underperforming their contracts for the better part of a few years, and Kreider is this year. HOPEFULLY in Kreider’s case it was injury related, but if so he shouldn’t have been playing. Chris K has all of 6 whole 5v5 goals and two total assists on the year while playing a passionless, floating game…

 

[UnparalledPark]

I'm speculating. Like Brooks is speculating. Something is going on obviously. The fans want to support Kreider. By avoiding the media or just sayin "we gotta get pucks in deep" Chris is doing himself a disservice. Some accountability would be nice.

Fair enough, but our Gm or whatever title he has doesn’t even speak to the media. It would seem there lies the the root of the problem when talking about accountability.

 

[McRanger]

Coming in peace. I do not follow the rangers situation/team that closely, but beyond shocked at how this season is turning out for them. I just don't understand why things went off the rails so quickly when this team was a legit contender the last few years, but seems like there was a ton going on behind the scenes this offseason that mattered a lot more than the public knows.

Here's what I don't understand...

• Barclay Goodrow - Why in the world did Drury feel the need to totally jettison a character guy like Goodrow? Of course Goodrow is fading, but his worth to a team was never an on ice thing. It was always intangibles so not sure how Drury could've thought removing him would be well received by any of the players. I could understand if BG was moved to open up cap space for a corresponding move to get younger/fill his leadership void, but to just let him go? Like WTF Drury?
• Jacob Trouba - Then we find out that Drury wanted to get rid of Trouba since the offseason and I'm totally floored (not because of this single move, but the seemingly overall plan Drury has). Once again, Trouba is not nearly the player he once was, but we're talking about removing not only intangibles from your lineup, but your captain. For a team that desperately needs more grit and leadership, what in the heck did Drury think was going to happen to the rest of the team.
• Chris Kreider/Dumping Salaries - And we also hear that Kreider is totally on the block. When you add up all the moves you have to think that Drury wanted to open up a bunch of cap space to trade for an all star player deal he had in the hopper. Either that or certain players were so upset with how Goodrow/Trouba were treated and they wanted out. But let's be honest...This is New York and you'd have to really alienate players to such a severe degree to get them to want to leave.

Maybe Drury will be all in on Marner this offseason and more will make sense, but right now getting rid of the little leadership you have from a Cup contending team only to not replace it (or make ANY additions short of a bust on waivers) seems baffling at best. Because right now given how the top players are playing, the lack of toughness/leadership, this team feels miles away from a Cup...And since Drury might've alienated the locker room it may take a lot to get them back.

Guess I just don't understand what's going on there at all. Does anyone understand, and agree with, what Drury is doing?

Goodrow and Trouba got moved because they are both awful and intangibles mean even less than they usually do when a team is filled with bad players.

Kreider is on the block because the team is in freefall.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Hughs got 16 mins ATOI as a rookie. including lots of PP1, having quite a bit worse overall season than Lafrenierre did.
JH 61 gp 7g+14a for 21 pts, 3+9 for 12pts at 5v5 ATOI 16 mins, -26+/-
Laf 56 gp 12g+9a for 21 points, 12+9 for 21pts 5v5 ATOI 14mins, -7+/-

Then Hughes got ATOI of 19 mins coming off that year in his D+2. Laf got ATOI of 14... still no real responsibility, still no PP.

Laf STILL hasn't broken 18mins ATOI yet...

Hughes was given loads of PP and responsibility in his early years regardless of his bad play in his D+1, and mediocre D+2, if you don't think that contributed to his development I don't know what to tell you.
That's not to say Laf would be scoring like Hughes, just that he was NOT handled in anything close to the same way, and yes it is detrimental to his development.

Don’t make me pull out the stats again. Someone just pull my old posts that explained this just as you did!

 

[periferal]

Not to be rude, but your post after “I do not follow the rangers situation/team closely” absolutely makes that statement an UNDERSTATEMENT.
Goodrow and Trouba are massively underperforming their contracts for the better part of a few years, and Kreider is this year. HOPEFULLY in Kreider’s case it was injury related, but if so he shouldn’t have been playing. Chris K has all of 6 whole 5v5 goals and two total assists on the year while playing a passionless, floating game…

Goodrow and Trouba got moved because they are both awful and intangibles mean even less than they usually do when a team is filled with bad players.

Kreider is on the block because the team is in freefall.

Saying Goodrow and Trouba have been "awful," "haven't played well for years," and thus their "intangibles mean even less" is all fine a and well, but...

Look at how the team has been playing since they've been removed.

Of course Sherterkin is all world, but this exact same team was a few goals away from the finals, and months later they might be picking top 5. Seems to me you might have well run it back with the "overpaid" Goodrow and Trouba, because sure looks like they were more valuable on the team than off of it.

And the fact that Drury hasn't used their cap space money to improve the team makes it even mor emind-boggling.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Coming in peace. I do not follow the rangers situation/team that closely, but beyond shocked at how this season is turning out for them. I just don't understand why things went off the rails so quickly when this team was a legit contender the last few years, but seems like there was a ton going on behind the scenes this offseason that mattered a lot more than the public knows.

Here's what I don't understand...

• Barclay Goodrow - Why in the world did Drury feel the need to totally jettison a character guy like Goodrow? Of course Goodrow is fading, but his worth to a team was never an on ice thing. It was always intangibles so not sure how Drury could've thought removing him would be well received by any of the players. I could understand if BG was moved to open up cap space for a corresponding move to get younger/fill his leadership void, but to just let him go? Like WTF Drury?
• Jacob Trouba - Then we find out that Drury wanted to get rid of Trouba since the offseason and I'm totally floored (not because of this single move, but the seemingly overall plan Drury has). Once again, Trouba is not nearly the player he once was, but we're talking about removing not only intangibles from your lineup, but your captain. For a team that desperately needs more grit and leadership, what in the heck did Drury think was going to happen to the rest of the team.
• Chris Kreider/Dumping Salaries - And we also hear that Kreider is totally on the block. When you add up all the moves you have to think that Drury wanted to open up a bunch of cap space to trade for an all star player deal he had in the hopper. Either that or certain players were so upset with how Goodrow/Trouba were treated and they wanted out. But let's be honest...This is New York and you'd have to really alienate players to such a severe degree to get them to want to leave.

Maybe Drury will be all in on Marner this offseason and more will make sense, but right now getting rid of the little leadership you have from a Cup contending team only to not replace it (or make ANY additions short of a bust on waivers) seems baffling at best. Because right now given how the top players are playing, the lack of toughness/leadership, this team feels miles away from a Cup...And since Drury might've alienated the locker room it may take a lot to get them back.

Guess I just don't understand what's going on there at all. Does anyone understand, and agree with, what Drury is doing?

Goodrow is ranked as the worst forward in the nhl in MULTIPLE categories. The guy was making over 3 million, he needed to go. I don’t care about the “intangibles”

Trouba was making 8 million and sucked. Had to go as well.

That 11 million in cap for the past 3 years is the same as f***ing mcdavid makes. This whole notion that getting rid of 2 of the worst statistical players at their positions made us worse is just dumb

 

[IDvsEGO]

For me you hit the nail on the head!

If I had to summarize there is a disconnect between management and the players causing extremely low morale which has translated into poor performances.

If moving goodrow was the reason the team is this bad.
Then the team was really bad. And should’ve been broken up earlier.

Moving a single 4th line player and replacing him with a better player, should not have made the team worse!

you cannot have a team that is all “intangibles “

Goodrow and trouba were both vastly overpaid and furry shipping them out and even managing to get returns is a positive.

Saying Goodrow and Trouba have been "awful," "haven't played well for years," and thus their "intangibles mean even less" is all fine a and well, but...

Look at how the team has been playing since they've been removed.

Of course Sherterkin is all world, but this exact same team was a few goals away from the finals, and months later they might be picking top 5. Seems to me you might have well run it back with the "overpaid" Goodrow and Trouba, because sure looks like they were more valuable on the team than off of it.

And the fact that Drury hasn't used their cap space money to improve the team makes it even mor emind-boggling.

Why should drury use the cap space? The team isn’t a playoff team currently. Unless he’s taking a bad contract, or moving other bad money. The rangers are currently not performing well.
Better to identify the long term core of the team, open up time for those players and ship the rest for assets.

 

[Cusedog]

Not sure if this was already posted, but Seravalli said Jones has been given permission to speak to other teams regarding a trade.

 

[periferal]

Why should drury use the cap space? The team isn’t a playoff team currently. Unless he’s taking a bad contract, or moving other bad money. The rangers are currently not performing well.
Better to identify the long term core of the team, open up time for those players and ship the rest for assets.

I'm talking about in the 2024 offseason...

You were a few goals away from the Cup...Then Drury jettisoned Goodrow and opened up 3.6M. Then we find out that Trouba was also on the block last offseason and they could've forced his hand then and got another 8M in cap space that Drury could've used.

OK - So Drury didn't use the cap space and now the rangers are going to have a bunch more cap space going forward. So the question is...Does Drury know what he's doing and have a plan to use it - Or has the window shut on true cup contention because the GM doesn't know what he's doing?

 

[McRanger92]

Fair enough, but our Gm or whatever title he has doesn’t even speak to the media. It would seem there lies the the root of the problem when talking about accountability.

Agreed. Drury has his part in this and he is also a fan of useless platitudes when he does speak. Laviolette too. It's an organizational issue up to Dolan. Leon Rose never speaks but no one complains because the Knicks are winning.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Can’t imagine why Vancouver turned down that deal lol

Must have run out of Sathers chloroform

 

[McRanger92]

Not sure if this was already posted, but Seravalli said Jones has been given permission to speak to other teams regarding a trade.

I feel bad for Zac that he has to find out this way no one is giving up more than a 5th for him.