Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[GAGLine]

Throwing it out there as it could be a new name in the game and Bruin fans tell me that they would move him in a deal if they clean house . McAvoy & Frederick for ?????? There would be conditions ....discuss them and the guys going back in return because no human being could could cover every scenario in one post LOL....Fire away .

Unless Fox is going the other way, that gives us Fox, McAvoy and Schneider on the right side. Someone would have to switch sides, more than likely, and McAvoy would lose PP time to Fox.

If Fox is going the other way, then okay I guess, but I don't know what interest either team would have in swapping them.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I've said this before, the Rangers are not in a position to trade 2 "future core" roster players (e.g. Miller, Schneider, Laff etc) for one player in return.

They are most definitely not in a position to deal picks and top end prospects either.

Between now, the TDL and this summer deal Kreider, Panarin, Lindgren, Borgen, Vesey, Quick (if he wants to go to a contender), Smith and if possible Zib. Use some of those assets to make some of the proposed trades you all are mentioning (e.g. Miller + prospect obtained in say the Kreider trade and a pick obtained in the Panarin trade for Pettersson).

 

[DanielBrassard]

Unless Fox is going the other way, that gives us Fox, McAvoy and Schneider on the right side. Someone would have to switch sides, more than likely, and McAvoy would lose PP time to Fox.

If Fox is going the other way, then okay I guess, but I don't know what interest either team would have in swapping them.

I would assume Schneider would be going to Boston in any mcAvoy deal. Bruins get younger and a replacement if that’s the goal.

 

[will1066]

IMO If his back injury is that bad then they should LTIR him for the rest of the season

enough of this bullshit. If you can't play worth a shit then sit down and heal up and stop trying to act like you're worth a shit on the ice

Maybe I'm adding my own bias to it but that mollie article seemed to suggest his back issues are semi permanent, not hinged on any one thing but are diffuse, and requires him to play through pain.

 

[NYR Viper]

Smart teams do not trade prospects with high ceilings for veterans.

I asked this yesterday when everyone was hemming and hawing that we'd trade Bread, Lindgren, Trocheck, Kreider, Smith and Vesey and receive all picks in the first 3 rounds for the next 4 years:

Which high end or elite-ceiling prospect (at time of trade) in the past 3 years has been moved for a veteran?

When was the last time a player like Panarin was traded at the deadline? And when was the last time a player like Panarin was traded at the deadline with another year on his contract?

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Hopefully we get more for Kreider. He's not a rental and this isn't the deepest draft and Kreider is a known playoff commodity and if a team is trading for him I would think they'll have some hope he can turn his game around because he's still got two years left to go on a pretty friendly cap hit if he does and that's potentially 3 playoff runs. A late 1st in a so so draft year and a B prospect seems like underselling him to me.

What Lindgren and Smith's values are I don't know but Smith is another with lots of playoff success.

I'd try to get Cuylle a little cheaper. The writing is on the wall for Jones. I get that he has a lot of fans here but this is his 4th full year in the organization and he's never been an every day player and if he is on our preseason roster next year there's no guarantee he's going to be an every day player next year either. So I think he's a goner.

I believe the Rangers will try to get Rantanen if Rantanen makes it to free agency though he'll have multiple potential suitors and it's very possible he signs with a team other than the Rangers and money might not be the only factor. I wonder for one thing if what happened with Goodrow and Trouba reverberated around the league in such a way that all things being even or close to even some players won't choose to play here. As far as that goes changing out our GM might be helpful. Other teams might also seem like a better fit for future playoff hopes. I also believe we'll be shopping for defensemen and maybe other help when free agency hits though.

We ran Mark f***ing Messier out of town after breaking a 54 year cup curse and plenty of mercenaries signed with us during the dead years.

It's more likely that players choose tax benefits to yield more income than whatever current drama between players and management.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Maybe I'm adding my own bias to it but that mollie article seemed to suggest his back issues are semi permanent, not hinged on any one thing but are diffuse, and requires him to play through pain.

You're just baiting me aren't you?

 

[JohnC]

Messier walked in free agency (hardly “ran out of town”, more like “didn’t try too hard to keep him in town”) and proceeded to be a locker room cancer (Vancouver) and the ringleader of the dark ages country club (NY) for the rest of his career.

 

[mrmovies779]

Short answer: yes.

We're still talking the same old good body nonsense. Like we're selling jeans. Like we're looking for Fabio.

SS from Seattle

 

[will1066]

You're just baiting me aren't you?

I posted it, and then thought that maybe I should @ you.

 

[effen]

They've run really bad scoring wise and that'll normalize but the forwards still don't really backcheck and the NZ is still an expressway... they're gonna be 11th in the conference come deadline and sell. Book it.

 

[Mr Mxmzptlk]

We ran Mark f***ing Messier out of town after breaking a 54 year cup curse and plenty of mercenaries signed with us during the dead years.

It's more likely that players choose tax benefits to yield more income than whatever current drama between players and management.

And it's not like we were the first ones to use the waiver/waiver threat method.....

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

They've run really bad scoring wise and that'll normalize but the forwards still don't really backcheck and the NZ is still an expressway... they're gonna be 11th in the conference come deadline and sell. Book it.

It won’t “normalize” we play terrible shit hockey and our core are all declining .

 

[effen]

It won’t “normalize” we play terrible shit hockey and our core are all declining .

That Panarin high slot shot for a deflection that worked yesterday hasn't worked all year. They're probably 7 or 8 goals from that style play alone under expectation.

PP isn't going to run at 3% either forever. They're fairly due to score some goals. They still don't defend worth half a shit.

 

[will1066]

The Rangers will not be placing Kreider on LTIR, even if hurt, because there is zero reason to do so at any point with the amount of cap space they have.

Or you open up his spot to fill it with Brodzinski, while bringing up a kid from Hartford and let him wait in the wings and marinate watching NHL action for a potential opportunity when everyone is sick and tired of Brodz -- which will inevitably happen here.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

If Drury was going to get rid of Trouba ( and rightfully so) it's evident he should have kept Goodrow for the year. Not saying they would be first in the metro or anything like that but he's the guy that would have helped keep the room together when things inevitably went sideways. Money wasn't an issue this season, especially with Trouba's contract off the books, and he'd probably have more than the 8 freaking points his replacement has posted thus far.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If Drury was going to get rid of Trouba ( and rightfully so) it's evident he should have kept Goodrow for the year. Not saying they would be first in the metro or anything like that but he's the guy that would have helped keep the room together when things inevitably went sideways. Money wasn't an issue this season, especially with Trouba's contract off the books, and he'd probably have more than the 8 freaking points his replacement has posted thus far.

Carrick has more points than Goodrow this season. Getting rid of Goodrow was the right decision regardless of what happened with Trouba and getting rid of Goodrow is not why the rangers are where they are.

 

[will1066]

That Panarin high slot shot for a deflection that worked yesterday hasn't worked all year. They're probably 7 or 8 goals from that style play alone under expectation.

PP isn't going to run at 3% either forever. They're fairly due to score some goals. They still don't defend worth half a shit.

It worked because Chicago let them circle around the perimeter like a biker gang.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Carrick has more points than Goodrow this season. Getting rid of Goodrow was the right decision regardless of what happened with Trouba and getting rid of Goodrow is not why the rangers are where they are.

I think he was more important to the team than people realize. And Drury could have gotten rid of him next summer. He had the space this season. Carrick sucks. You don't even realize the guy is out there 90% of the time.

 

[zlev]

people forget how absolutely terrible Goodrow was last season. Carrick is better in every way except I guess he doesn't make the playlist for the music in the locker room.

 

[GAGLine]

I think he was more important to the team than people realize. And Drury could have gotten rid of him next summer. He had the space this season. Carrick sucks. You don't even realize the guy is out there 90% of the time.

He had the space if he didn't trade for Smith and/or re-sign Lindgren. Keeping Goodrow means at least one of those other two moves don't happen. In retrospect, I'm sure most of us would have been fine with that, but Drury obviously saw it differently.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Rangers claim Kaliyev

 

[JimmyG89]

Add another name into the mix.

They need bodies if they want to make another move without a call up. Wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot in Reilly Smith's spot.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think he’s going to fill Kreider’s spot for the time being.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

He had the space if he didn't trade for Smith and/or re-sign Lindgren. Keeping Goodrow means at least one of those other two moves don't happen. In retrospect, I'm sure most of us would have been fine with that, but Drury obviously saw it differently.

I think everyone would have been ok with not keeping Lindgren. Or the other thing would have been for Drury to quietly trade Trouba to one of the teams on his list this summer like a normal GM.