Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[Clark Kellogg]

Maybe we’re looking at this the wrong way?
What if Drury ran it back. No Goodrow trade l, no Trouba trade, no Kakko trade and no Smith trade.
At the TDL, team sits in 3rd in the Metro and Drury goes all in.
Trades Mancini, trades Perrault trades Othmann, trades Garand and trades Draft picks?
Maybe we win a round or two in the playoffs and fall short.
As bad as this season has been. Next season could be one for the record books and not in the good way.

 

[RangerBoy]

Miller is right about the vibe around the team. These guys have given up. Even the young guys have been sucked into the comatose state. Cuylle. Berard. Schneider.

Drury needs to bomb the room. The search and rescue units need to use cadaver dogs to search for people. Only a handful of players should be spared from the purge and the NMC is the only thing saving their asses for some of them.

EF brought up the Rangers twice last night. His segment between the 2nd and 3rd periods. Things to watch heading into the New Year. Rangers. Detroit. Buffalo. It appears the last two teams are scouting each other. He mentioned it. I read about it on twitter a few days ago.

Of course, the Rangers. TB was taking it to them. What will happen there?

He has another segment between the 2nd and 3rd periods of the late game. Tomorrow's headlines. EF mentioned the Rangers falling into last place in the metro.

 

[Vitto79]

I quit let’s sell

 

[eco's bones]

Losing can become a habit hard to break too. Without watching looking at the shot totals of last night's game well they were good. If nothing else it suggests that they didn't spend the entire game in their own end. They could have been barraging Vasilevskiy from the sideboards or blueline though. Not a surprise I didn't expect them to win. I don't expect them to beat Florida or Boston either. Once in a while they do win......string two wins together? not likely. Maybe they'll do that once or twice before season's end.

On the silver lining front at tankathon we've moved up to no. 9. That part is going swimmingly. We're not going to make No. 1 or No. 2 but we do have a shot maybe at getting into the top 5.

 

[RangerBoy]

Losing can become a habit hard to break too. Without watching looking at the shot totals of last night's game well they were good. If nothing else it suggests that they didn't spend the entire game in their own end. They could have been barraging Vasilevskiy from the sideboards or blueline though. Not a surprise I didn't expect them to win. I don't expect them to beat Florida or Boston either. Once in a while they do win......string two wins together? not likely. Maybe they'll do that once or twice before season's end.

On the silver lining front at tankathon we've moved up to no. 9. That part is going swimmingly. We're not going to make No. 1 or No. 2 but we do have a shot maybe at getting into the top 5.

It's better to add a win to the mix after a losing steak.

12-4-1

16-18-1

4-14

Continue losing.

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[cheech70]

Miller is right about the vibe around the team. These guys have given up. Even the young guys have been sucked into the comatose state. Cuylle. Berard. Schneider.

Drury needs to bomb the room. The search and rescue units need to use cadaver dogs to search for people. Only a handful of players should be spared from the purge and the NMC is the only thing saving their asses for some of them.

EF brought up the Rangers twice last night. His segment between the 2nd and 3rd periods. Things to watch heading into the New Year. Rangers. Detroit. Buffalo. It appears the last two teams are scouting each other. He mentioned it. I read about it on twitter a few days ago.

Of course, the Rangers. TB was taking it to them. What will happen there?

He has another segment between the 2nd and 3rd periods of the late game. Tomorrow's headlines. EF mentioned the Rangers falling into last place in the metro.

I would like to add Byram and Cozen while keeping Kam, Schneider,Cuylee,Laf,. Maybe Filip is the piece along with Kreider and Garand but doesn't seem enough. Or a bold move and use Fox.

 

[RangerBoy]

I would like to add Byram and Cozen while keeping Kam, Schneider,Cuylee,Laf,. Maybe Filip is the piece along with Kreider and Garand but doesn't seem enough. Or a bold move and use Fox.

Power and Cozens. Power next to a quality D like Schneider is the D pair which can compete for a Cup for a while.

 

[bernmeister]

Going full Bern with trades during two windows, now to the TDL and then the offseason.

TDL:

Kreider and Borgen (50% retained) to the Wild for Heidt, Stramel, Trenin (cap dump) and 2026 #1.

Lindgren (50% retained) to Dallas for a 2026 #2 and 2025 #5.

Riley Smith (50% retained) to Vegas for Sharks 2025 #3 and 2026 #5.

Vesey to any contender for a 2025 #5.

Offseason:

Rangers get a top 3 pick in the draft and take Hagens.

Zib and the Wild 2026 #1 for JT Miller (likely the only trade that could get rid of Zib due to being same age, term and only $500k difference in money along with the Pettersson/Miller issues).

Panarin with $4M retained to Dallas for Bischel, Hemming or Bertucci, 2026 #1 and 2027 #2 (Becomes a #1 if Dallas wins the cup or re-signs Panarin).

Flip Trenin for a pick ans/or prospect, retaining 50%.

Sign Rantanen, Frederic and Grzelyck.

Give Garand a shot a backup. Give the kids a chance to play.

Laff - JT Miller - Rantanen
Cuylle - Hagens - Perreault
Othmann - Chytil - Berard
Edstrom - Frederic - Rempe
Carrick

K. Miller - Fox
Bischel - Schneider
Grzelyck - Mancini
Vaak

Shesh
Garand

Appreciate the homage, but remember, like Frodo bearing the ring, only bern can actually do/go authentic bern, full or otherwise. That said, give it a try but be careful.

gen agree
Kreider set aside for now, deal that useless cancer Zib first, now, not later. reassess CK later.
Bogen -> highest return
if possible Bogen + 2nd down the road for a 1st
no CK+bOGEN package

Lindy for best deal, he's not ordinarily worth a 2nd now [should have moved 2 seasons ago before all this damage when he commanded around 23-ish OA]. Take what you can get.ZZ

Ditto Vesey, ditch now for what you can get, don't hold out.
Smith, buh-bye, good

Zib is not returning JTM, everybody bend, buckle and break to that reality.
Zib 50% retained for VAN scrubs
addition by subtraction

Do not add another huge $$$$ contract, at least for the moment
Roster flexibility and depth

nice roster, nerd. 2 things:

1. never go full Bern
2. this isn't even close to full Bern

bold: peeps should not be afraid of what they can't understand
underline: you have no clue as to how far bern can go...

Miller is right about the vibe around the team. These guys have given up. Even the young guys have been sucked into the comatose state. Cuylle. Berard. Schneider.

Drury needs to bomb the room. The search and rescue units need to use cadaver dogs to search for people. Only a handful of players should be spared from the purge and the NMC is the only thing saving their asses for some of them.

EF brought up the Rangers twice last night. His segment between the 2nd and 3rd periods. Things to watch heading into the New Year. Rangers. Detroit. Buffalo. It appears the last two teams are scouting each other. He mentioned it. I read about it on twitter a few days ago.

Of course, the Rangers. TB was taking it to them. What will happen there?

He has another segment between the 2nd and 3rd periods of the late game. Tomorrow's headlines. EF mentioned the Rangers falling into last place in the metro.

Gen agree
per usual

I quit let’s sell

'bout time you came around
learn with the bern

I would like to add Byram and Cozen while keeping Kam, Schneider,Cuylee,Laf,. Maybe Filip is the piece along with Kreider and Garand but doesn't seem enough. Or a bold move and use Fox.

Cozen may/may not be fool's gold, do not overpay.
Byram = too many concussions; yes, he COULD do an Ekblad, but odds, %ages say no = way too much risk and + we have to pay top $

WAAYYY no on moving Garand
ask Igor to bail and go to LA
we then have Quick + Garand

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Rangers need to flip the room and get more guys who care. Guys who play the brand of hockey of matt barnaby, theo fleury, sean avery, tony deangelo, brendan lemeiux, ryan callahan, brandon dubinsky.

Guys who fit that mold in the league right now are

Mathieu olivier, ryan lomberg, pospisil, trent frederic, max domi, noesen, hagel, tkachuk brothers, greenway, jeannot, sam bennett, charlie macavoy, duhaime, tom wilson, konecny, hathaway, mikkola.

Those are the types of players we need. Of course we could have tony deangelo as our 6/7 D for league minimum and bring some juice and a puck mover but itll never happen.

 

[bernmeister]

Power and Cozens. Power next to a quality D like Schneider is the D pair which can compete for a Cup for a while.

Power at the right price, sure.
former 1OA
Sabes want top top top top $$$$$$$$$$$$$
too expensive

 

[McRanger92]

Consider the way our vets have responded to this adversity, punting this season and adding a few more 1sts (including a potential top 10) is probably for the best.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Sell!

 

[mas0764]

Power and Cozens. Power next to a quality D like Schneider is the D pair which can compete for a Cup for a while.

What does it take to get them?

 

[bbny]

Any lineup proposal for next year with K Miller on the top pair is not a serious lineup

 

[McRanger92]

What does it take to get them?

Schneider for Cozens makes sense for both sides imo.

Any lineup proposal for next year with K Miller on the top pair is not a serious lineup

The issue with the game yesterday is that Borgen and Vaak are much better than Trouba/Jones, but Miller and Lindgren still suck, and they are our top 2 LHD.

Not to mention Zibanejad flubbing every chance he gets and being on the verge of tears on the bench.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Rangers need to flip the room and get more guys who care. Guys who play the brand of hockey of matt barnaby, theo fleury, sean avery, tony deangelo, brendan lemeiux, ryan callahan, brandon dubinsky.

Guys who fit that mold in the league right now are

Mathieu olivier, ryan lomberg, pospisil, trent frederic, max domi, noesen, hagel, tkachuk brothers, greenway, jeannot, sam bennett, charlie macavoy, duhaime, tom wilson, konecny, hathaway, mikkola.

Those are the types of players we need. Of course we could have tony deangelo as our 6/7 D for league minimum and bring some juice and a puck mover but itll never happen.

Was there anything that was supposed to link those players together?
Deangelo is so bad at defense he’s in Russia.
Mikkola isn’t really a grinder, just big and heavy.
Domi and Deangelo are bad at hockey, but shitheel’s in real life.

Yes let’s add top 10 talent like the tkachuk brothers or a top 1d like Charlie mcavoy.

I think sometimes people assume any grinder is good, so anytime a player is good they must be a grinder.
Hathaway and Wilson are grinders with enough physical talent to be good.
We also have that in Cuylle.
you can’t built a team around that.

Florida isn’t built around tkachuk.
It was a stacked team that added tkachuk to barkov/ekblad/reinhart/bennet et all.
A team that got buy low first round guys, and maximized their value.

Greenway is a bottom lineup guy. When you play guys like him above their head, you get Goodrow with Panarin.

We tried that. That’s not how you win.

As I’ve said before, no team wins without talent. Zero. Doesn’t happen.
That finals team we had? Doesn’t get out of the second round anymore.
The game is too fast too skilled.

 

[Daves a mess]

What's Gregg Mckegg and Daniel Paille doing right about now?

We need more defusion.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Drury's not fleecing anyone

He fleeced Anaheim

 

[IDvsEGO]

Schneider for Cozens makes sense for both sides imo.



The issue with the game yesterday is that Borgen and Vaak are much better than Trouba/Jones, but Miller and Lindgren still suck, and they are our top 2 LHD.

Not to mention Zibanejad flubbing every chance he gets and being on the verge of tears on the bench.

And what exactly are we doing with our Rhd if we move Schneider.
We have Emory but he’s at least another 2 years away. Rushing him is a bad thing as he has a couple clear deficiencies to his game.

I like cozens as a reshape piece. I just don’t think we can get him without hurting ourselves worse.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Not for nothing... a guy like Mika right now is a pretty good example of why the league would be better off with more of an NFL style structure in terms of contracts. We'd get a much better product without having these sorts of deals hampering teams. Sometimes it's on the owners, but sometimes it's the players.

Remember when Brendan Smith got his contract from us? He got his money, had his wedding and f***ed off during the summer. When the season started back up he came in out of shape and unable to handle the big league. Whos fault is that? Sometimes it's not always the shitty owners/management giving out idiotic contracts. Derek Stepan has had interviews since he's retired where he's talked about some of his shit habits. His last season a couple years ago was at 32 years old. He could still be playing if he gave a f***. He said he liked to drink and eat whatever and f*** off. You weren't going to find him in the gym. Makes you think what kind of player he could've topped out as if he had some drive. He was a talented player. But overall its not good for the league, worse product. He was still making +6M a year when his game fell of a cliff. His diet and drinking caught up to him. That sort of shit happens.

I could not believe the Stepan I saw near the end of his career. He was never fast but at the end he looked heavy and so slow. Surprised Rod put him on the ice at all.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Was there anything that was supposed to link those players together?
Deangelo is so bad at defense he’s in Russia.
Mikkola isn’t really a grinder, just big and heavy.
Domi and Deangelo are bad at hockey, but shitheel’s in real life.

Yes let’s add top 10 talent like the tkachuk brothers or a top 1d like Charlie mcavoy.

I think sometimes people assume any grinder is good, so anytime a player is good they must be a grinder.
Hathaway and Wilson are grinders with enough physical talent to be good.
We also have that in Cuylle.
you can’t built a team around that.

Florida isn’t built around tkachuk.
It was a stacked team that added tkachuk to barkov/ekblad/reinhart/bennet et all.
A team that got buy low first round guys, and maximized their value.

Greenway is a bottom lineup guy. When you play guys like him above their head, you get Goodrow with Panarin.

We tried that. That’s not how you win.

As I’ve said before, no team wins without talent. Zero. Doesn’t happen.
That finals team we had? Doesn’t get out of the second round anymore.
The game is too fast too skilled.

Whats links them together? They all are a pain in the ass to play against and bring energy and compete.

The world knows tony would still be in the nhl if not for his outward political talk. No one on earth with tell you that nils lundqvist is better than TDA for example. He didnt even get a pto, thats not because of talent, thats because of political views.

But anyway, thats not the point here. The point is we need tougher guys who are total dirtbags on the ice to play against

 

[noncents]

Whats links them together? They all are a pain in the ass to play against and bring energy and compete.

The world knows tony would still be in the nhl if not for his outward political talk. No one on earth with tell you that nils lundqvist is better than TDA for example. He didnt even get a pto, thats not because of talent, thats because of political views.

But anyway, thats not the point here. The point is we need tougher guys who are total dirtbags on the ice to play against

tony is not and was never difficult to play against. he was a joy to play against. he may have been a prick and given some jabs after whistles, but he sucked on defense. couldn't defend.


there's a constant debate here about "tough to play against." you're saying they need to be physical, bumptious, unrelenting, and others say they need to be skilled, aggressive in puck matriculation, and high in hockey IQ.

it's not either or. it's both.

 

[Fitzy]

tony is not and was never difficult to play against. he was a joy to play against. he may have been a prick and given some jabs after whistles, but he sucked on defense. couldn't defend.


there's a constant debate here about "tough to play against." you're saying they need to be physical, bumptious, unrelenting, and others say they need to be skilled, aggressive in puck matriculation, and high in hockey IQ.

it's not either or. it's both.

Hard to play against can mean so many different things, and pretty much none of them apply to the Rangers unless our power play gets back to 1/3 territory again.

What some are suggesting is for us to build a roster based on grind rather than skill. It's certainly cheaper to do that, but I think if the 2012-2015 NY Rangers had real high end players like Fox and Panarin to replace the late career wilting Brad Richards and 1B Ryan McDonagh, it puts us over the top.

You need a system that can have skill, grit and speed in equal measure.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

tony is not and was never difficult to play against. he was a joy to play against. he may have been a prick and given some jabs after whistles, but he sucked on defense. couldn't defend.


there's a constant debate here about "tough to play against." you're saying they need to be physical, bumptious, unrelenting, and others say they need to be skilled, aggressive in puck matriculation, and high in hockey IQ.

it's not either or. it's both.

Again, the point here isnt one player but rather a style of being a prick. Teams that win cups are full of pricks more often than not. We need more pricks. And yes, tda remains an nhl quality 6/7 D.

Very very rare do you see a team win cups full of gentleman playing soft games. Did vancouver have more skill than those boston teams? Hell yeah. Boston just bullied them. Did edmonton have more skill than florida? Hell yeah. Florida was full of more pricks.

 

[noncents]

Hard to play against can mean so many different things, and pretty much none of them apply to the Rangers unless our power play gets back to 1/3 territory again.

What some are suggesting is for us to build a roster based on grind rather than skill. It's certainly cheaper to do that, but I think if the 2012-2015 NY Rangers had real high end players like Fox and Panarin to replace the late career wilting Brad Richards and 1B Ryan McDonagh, it puts us over the top.

You need a system that can have skill, grit and speed in equal measure.

we need grit and physicality, compete and giveashit, speed and skill at the top of our lineup. Troch is the only one pulling his weight.

Again, the point here isnt one player but rather a style of being a prick. Teams that win cups are full of pricks more often than not. We need more pricks. And yes, tda remains an nhl quality 6/7 D.

you're just agreeing with me