Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[Shesterkybomb]

Kreider and Lindgren are on their way out for sure, hopefully we get a left side top 4 dman out of it and maybe a center somehow. Add Othmann, play him with Berard and Chytil, win games. I'd love to see Hayton get here to play with Laf. Since Zib likely isn't leaving, move him to wing and see if Panarin and less defensive duties help get him going, if not swap him with Berard or even Chytil.


Panarin Trochek zib
Cuylle Hayton Laf
Othmann Chytil berard
Edstrom Carrick Smith

This way we have some insurance against Chytil getting injured

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Exactly. I’m not sure if Drury is the right man for that job which is concerning but I can see with having Fox, Lafreniere, Shesterkin, Chytil, Trocheck, Cuylle, Schneider, Miller already on the roster and either locked in or young enough that they wouldn’t go scorched earth but take a 1 or 2 year reset and target the 2026 UFA class. If they decide to start over, that means trading Fox, Shesterkin, Trocheck and Miller also and I don’t know if they have the stomach for that.

I feel like it pretty much has to be a retool instead of a full start from scratch rebuild after giving Igor that contract. You get your owner to sign that check for a contract that starts next season, you're not going into his office and pitching a full teardown to the studs a couple weeks later.

I think an aggressive retool is a better play at this point anyway.

 

[kovazub94]

This just isn’t accurate. This team just went to the conference finals twice in 3 years. The Sabres aren’t good the senators aren’t good the penguins islanders aren’t good. This group of players is very good. But they’re lazy and they need a real coach. They have had 2 coaches that are known as short term motivators but not great coaches. And that’s exactly what they did. Drury hasn’t hired a Jon Cooper or a Rod Brindamour. He’s needed a Great coach for this group of babies. Talented but babies. Maybe that’s Quennville. A guy that might actually respect enough to play for

The difference from Gallant and Quinn is that this time players quit on the coach through not really his fault. Larry maybe right that it will eventually cause him losing his job but he doesn’t deserve their fate. Maybe Drury will recognize it (and over his career and including coaching the Rangers I consider Laviolette as a good coach)

Still I’m with you on one thing - bring a GREAT coach and then maybe I’d agree with letting Laviolette go.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Chris Drury traded an under 25 forward for a win now, pending UFA defensemen. Anyone who thinks he’s going to be allowed by Dolan to tear it down to the studs is kidding themselves

 

[kovazub94]

Right, and if it's a retool, they need to be aggressive, which they weren't with the 2018 retool (and that's what it was, let's be honest).

The only aggressive moves they made were Trouba and Panarin. Beyond that it was mostly hoping the existing core would exceed expectations.

I would argue they f***ing did (50 goals from CK, 90 points from Zib, the absolute best of Panarin) and it was still nowhere near good enough.

It was because Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov and Trouba didn’t work out as expected (and some bad luck with injuries).

 

[IDvsEGO]

It was because Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov and Trouba didn’t work out as expected (and some bad luck with injuries).

Id argue if andersson and kratsov worked out
We’d be looking at a very different situation right now.
Those were the two singular biggest misses.

Two 10 picks who combined didn’t even break 50 nhl points.

 

[wolfgaze]

31 games into the season for Kreider and there are two NHL goaltenders with more assists than him on the season - there are 13 total NHL goaltenders with as many or more assists than him on the season. Right now he's pacing to finish the season with less than 3 assists - last season he finished with a career high 36 assists.

 

[Machinehead]

It was because Lafreniere, Kakko, Kravtsov and Trouba didn’t work out as expected (and some bad luck with injuries).

Even if they all hit, they were banking on Zibanejad being a Cup-winning 1C from the getgo.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I'd love to see if Lidstrom was available for that role or for d coach.

He’s currently the VP of hockey operations for Detroit.

 

[RangerBoy]

Chris Drury traded an under 25 forward for a win now, pending UFA defensemen. Anyone who thinks he’s going to be allowed by Dolan to tear it down to the studs is kidding themselves

The under 25 year old forward hasn't done jack shit and he is due for another contract in a few months. The under 25 year old forward is in his sixth season. 6. Six. Sei. Seis. The UFA defenseman can be flipped at the deadline. The Rangers are near the bottom of the eastern conference. One point out of last place in the entire conference. On Saturday night, the Rangers dropped to last place in their division which isn't that good with begin with.

If the Rangers go into next season with the same cast of characters and a new coach, nothing is changing.

 

[GlasgowNewYorkRanger]

We're ending up with JT Miller aren't we, I am trying to acquiesce. All the stars are aligning and I am sure he'd be a player right up Drury's Boulevard.

 

[CasusBelli]

I'd love to see if Lidstrom was available for that role or for d coach.

I hear Cloud 9 is having a 3x1 deal: Lidstrom, Pronger and Stevens. Have a heavenly day!

 

[RangerBoy]

Everyone won last night except for Philly and they entered the third period up 4-3 in Los Angeles. Ottawa won. 7 points up on the Rangers for the last WC. Pittsburgh beat the Islanders. They split their home and home. Pittsburgh had the last WC with 39 points for a few hours. Montreal won. Detroit won. Buffalo won. The Rangers are closer to last place in the conference than to the last WC. They are bunched in with perennial Cup contenders like Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, Islanders, Columbus and Pittsburgh.

LA gave Jim Hiller an opportunity. He was a career assistant coach under Mike Babcock and Barry Trotz. Hiller has the Kings playing well. Structured. Very good defensively. The Rangers keep hiring the retread coach. Even the next coach. Which retread will it be? The Rangers will be his 4th or 5th NHL coaching job. Dallas won last night in Chicago. Pete DeBoer's expiration date usually comes soon. 3rd or 4th season.

Can we hire a first time head coach like the Caps and Kings or maybe give Jay Woodcroft his second NHL opportunity? Marek had Woodcroft on his show. He spent some time with Torts in camp. Laviolette needs to go. I wanted Jay Leach last time. Leach is now in Boston as an assistant coach. The Rangers interviewed him. The Bruins gave Sacco another opportunity after coaching the Avs many years ago. The players need to go first and the coach needs to go. These players suck.

 

[RangerBoy]

EF mentioned the Brooks column. EF said Brooks is connected. Not that connected. Someone gave him that information who knows. More is coming. EF said teams love Trocheck. They would climb buildings for him. Trocheck has control with the NMC and he isn't sure the Rangers want to do it.



Trade all of these guys. Fox. Trocheck. The guys with value. Trade the rentals. Seismic changes are needed. Trocheck has a limited NTC next summer. 12 teams and it drops each season.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

1 point out of the 4th pick. only 4 back from top-3. great night for our tank last night

 

[leetch99]

Could Tage Thompson ever be pried from Buffalo with a juicy offer ? Both clubs sucking.....who knows ?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Want a name that's not a retread?

Throw a blank check at Dale Hunter to leave London. He's built a really good program there in the OHL.

I was really impressed by the structure he implemented when he took over the Caps job I 2012. They took the Rangers to the brink despite being heavy underdogs. He won gold the one year he coached the Canadian WJC team.

Structure. He'll teach and preach that. He was a nasty piece of work as a player too. His personality will rub off.

 

[GlasgowNewYorkRanger]

We need four or five high draft picks that deliver. And some lesser ones that also hit.

Genuine question: when was the last time a high draft pick worked out for us and delivered to expectations or exceeded them? We don't help ourselves sometimes, and I know Sather traded like nine of them seemingly in a row during those years, but damn, we have had some bad luck and are due a break or two when it comes to getting a star player.

 

[McRanger92]

Everyone won last night except for Philly and they entered the third period up 4-3 in Los Angeles. Ottawa won. 7 points up on the Rangers for the last WC. Pittsburgh beat the Islanders. They split their home and home. Pittsburgh had the last WC with 39 points for a few hours. Montreal won. Detroit won. Buffalo won. The Rangers are closer to last place in the conference than to the last WC. They are bunched in with perennial Cup contenders like Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, Islanders, Columbus and Pittsburgh.

LA gave Jim Hiller an opportunity. He was a career assistant coach under Mike Babcock and Barry Trotz. Hiller has the Kings playing well. Structured. Very good defensively. The Rangers keep hiring the retread coach. Even the next coach. Which retread will it be? The Rangers will be his 4th or 5th NHL coaching job. Dallas won last night in Chicago. Pete DeBoer's expiration date usually comes soon. 3rd or 4th season.

Can we hire a first time head coach like the Caps and Kings or maybe give Jay Woodcroft his second NHL opportunity? Marek had Woodcroft on his show. He spent some time with Torts in camp. Laviolette needs to go. I wanted Jay Leach last time. Leach is now in Boston as an assistant coach. The Rangers interviewed him. The Bruins gave Sacco another opportunity after coaching the Avs many years ago. The players need to go first and the coach needs to go. These players suck.

Just promote Peca. He will get hired elsewhere in an instant like Knoblauch if the Rangers dont. Hire Bowness to run the defense. Jacques martin and Ulf Samuelsson were also good D coaches we could bring back.

I like the idea of Peca because he worked closely with the Hershey Bears while in the Caps organization, they are essentially the model AHL franchise. As a player, he had exactly the type of identity this team needs. Hard hitting and defensively responsible. No reason to go outside the org.

 

[Fitzy]

I haven't seen too much discussion of whether Dolan would actually let Drury do a full scale rebuild now, whether we wanted it or not.

There's no question that we could stock the cupboard big time were Drury to commit to selling Kreider, Tro, Panarin, Miller, etc. But the 'full measures' thing would see us next competing probably in 2028 at the earliest, and likel 2030 for 'full strength' even if we keep Shesty, Fox, Laf.

The folk lore around here that built after Gorton's out was that Dolan isn't interested in patience.

 

[TGWL]

Could Tage Thompson ever be pried from Buffalo with a juicy offer ? Both clubs sucking.....who knows ?

We don't have to offer (willing to offer)

 

[McRanger92]

I haven't seen too much discussion of whether Dolan would actually let Drury do a full scale rebuild now, whether we wanted it or not.

There's no question that we could stock the cupboard big time were Drury to commit to selling Kreider, Tro, Panarin, Miller, etc. But the 'full measures' thing would see us next competing probably in 2028 at the earliest, and likel 2030 for 'full strength' even if we keep Shesty, Fox, Laf.

The folk lore around here that built after Gorton's out was that Dolan isn't interested in patience.

I think Dolan will gladly let Drury retool this entitled core. If you were the owner and saw this effort on the ice, would you think it was the GM's fault? Drury shares plenty of the blame but is at least addressing the problems on the fly. Goodrow and Trouba's 20 mil off the balance sheet was a coup.

Gorton got fired because he let the team's star players get ragdolled on the ice by Wilson with zero pushback. It's also forgotten how Gorton gave out 20 million to Panarin & Trouba and after covid bought out Hank, traded picks to get rid of staal and paid Tony D 8 million over 2 years to play 5 games. You can't play fast and loose with the owners money just to become a laughinstock and miss the playoffs.

 

[Machinehead]

Everyone won last night except for Philly and they entered the third period up 4-3 in Los Angeles. Ottawa won. 7 points up on the Rangers for the last WC. Pittsburgh beat the Islanders. They split their home and home. Pittsburgh had the last WC with 39 points for a few hours. Montreal won. Detroit won. Buffalo won. The Rangers are closer to last place in the conference than to the last WC. They are bunched in with perennial Cup contenders like Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, Islanders, Columbus and Pittsburgh.

LA gave Jim Hiller an opportunity. He was a career assistant coach under Mike Babcock and Barry Trotz. Hiller has the Kings playing well. Structured. Very good defensively. The Rangers keep hiring the retread coach. Even the next coach. Which retread will it be? The Rangers will be his 4th or 5th NHL coaching job. Dallas won last night in Chicago. Pete DeBoer's expiration date usually comes soon. 3rd or 4th season.

Can we hire a first time head coach like the Caps and Kings or maybe give Jay Woodcroft his second NHL opportunity? Marek had Woodcroft on his show. He spent some time with Torts in camp. Laviolette needs to go. I wanted Jay Leach last time. Leach is now in Boston as an assistant coach. The Rangers interviewed him. The Bruins gave Sacco another opportunity after coaching the Avs many years ago. The players need to go first and the coach needs to go. These players suck.

I would love Woodcroft.

He had Edmonton playing 60% xGF hockey before Knoblauch swooped in and got all the credit for their shooting and goaltending normalizing.

Woodcroft is their Torts and Knoblauch is their AV.

And I'm not saying Knoblauch isn't or can't be a good coach, but right now, he's babysitting a great team that he didn't set the structure for.

People used to make fun of the Oilers with "oh, but they'll never play defense." They're low-key one of the top defensive teams in the league since the Woodcroft hire.

 

[Fitzy]

I think Dolan will gladly let Drury retool this entitled core. If you were the owner and saw this effort on the ice, would you think it was the GM's fault? Drury shares plenty of the blame but is at least addressing the problems on the fly. Goodrow and Trouba's 20 mil off the balance sheet was a coup.

Gorton got fired because he let the team's star players get ragdolled on the ice by Wilson with zero pushback. It's also forgotten how Gorton gave out 20 million to Panarin & Trouba and after covid bought out Hank, traded picks to get rid of staal and paid Tony D 8 million over 2 years to play 5 games. You can't play fast and loose with the owners money just to become a laughinstock and miss the playoffs.

I can get behind all of this except the money thing.

Slats had Dolan pay Wade Redden the equivalent of 9 million today to be a all situations defenseman for the Connecticut Whale.

If we fire Laviolette I think we will be paying like 3 coaches money to not coach for us.

 

[Machinehead]

I haven't seen too much discussion of whether Dolan would actually let Drury do a full scale rebuild now, whether we wanted it or not.

There's no question that we could stock the cupboard big time were Drury to commit to selling Kreider, Tro, Panarin, Miller, etc. But the 'full measures' thing would see us next competing probably in 2028 at the earliest, and likel 2030 for 'full strength' even if we keep Shesty, Fox, Laf.

The folk lore around here that built after Gorton's out was that Dolan isn't interested in patience.

People will make things up about Dolan because it's lazy analysis.

Saying Dolan lacked patience when Gorton already premature ejaculated the rebuild two years prior is weaving tall tales.

If you wanna bag on Dolan for something, it's f***ing $200+ to see this team play. That's his department.