Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVII

[egelband]

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Podcast.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Guhle is showing up in more and more top 15s or top 12s. Been hearing a lot about him lately.

I remember reading an article from the Athletic earlier in the year from Scott Wheeler that some of the teams he talked to had Guhle ranked as the second best D in this draft

So not surprising he's rising a bit

 

[Kovalev27]

I agree with that but I'm not talking about what would normally happen.

The way JD talk about him was as if he shocked him. It's one thing if JD said, 'He showed good progress.. blah blah... process.. ' He really emphasised how good he looked. REALLY GOOD.

So, maybe people will be shocked he makes the team.

I won’t be

 

[broadwayblue]

They aren't trading the pick either.

Really I'd say that this team needs 5 pieces to really be complete (IMO, from most important to least)

- 1LD
- A center who is not necessarily a star, but someone who is a 3 zone player and can kill penalties (ideally.)
- 3LD (This can be dealt with in house)
- Middle six big body banger who doesn't suck
- 4th line forward with some grit/can also kill penalties/doesn't suck.

I don't think it's too much to ask for them to fill at least 4 of those between now and the beginning of the season (one of the top 2 and the rest.) I'd prioritize the LD as A. Even if we're deep with LD in the system these guys take MUCH longer to develop into minute eating players and B. its the tougher hole to shelter. Panarin can carry a line, but I'd rather he play with someone who doesn't bring nothing to the table other than not getting in Panarin's way, but as long as he plays the way he did for most of the year, we're okay here.

Maybe Fil (if he stays) steps up and crushes it from here on out (he's shown glimpses) which would make life easier but these are the things separating this team from being where they are and being a contender (along with time.)

They might not fill 4 of those before the season starts, but I do expect a couple moves. JD said we need to be patient. You don't just make moves because you need to make moves. If it's not the right fit you are only setting yourself up for failure. The team is still building...we are probably not contending next season. That doesn't mean you do nothing, but you bide your time, ready to pounce when the right opportunity presents itself. We are well on our way.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah, being half way to @jas aged is an accomplishment.

I’m immortal.

 

[Edge]

I remember reading an article from the Athletic earlier in the year from Scott Wheeler that some of the teams he talked to had Guhle ranked as the second best D in this draft

So not surprising he's rising a bit

I think everyone views Drysdale as the best defenseman in the draft today, but there is quite a bit of varying opinion on who will be better 2 years from now or 5 years from now.

Sanderson gets a lot of votes and Guhle has his share of fans as well.

 

[duhmetreE]

Miller is such an amazing athletes he could probably push physically.

I don’t know if the processing game is quite there yet though, and that might make for some interesting extremes.

But the kid will be completely focused on hockey and that makes him a dangerous candidate.

I'm excited to see what happens when he's Deadlifting and Squatting with Kreider.

 

[SnowFort]

Tobbe makes a very interesting point here, if one is thinking of offer sheets.

 

[Avery16]

Is Guerin dumb enough to do something like #9 and Zuccarello (33% retained) for Lias and #20?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Tobbe makes a very interesting point here, if one is thinking of offer sheets.

But what if they don't match Sergachev? Then we're essentially 'stuck' with him, no?

 

[Edge]

I wonder how much of a concern there is about what goes around coming around, especially now that the Rangers have some top young talent that is likely to get paid someday.

 

[Kovalev27]

Offer sheeting is a very bad idea when you yourself have a ton of young talent coming up. Gorton and JD aren’t those type of guys. That will never happen

 

[Ghost of jas]

I remain unconvinced the Rangers are going to offer sheet anyone.

 

[duhmetreE]

Tobbe makes a very interesting point here, if one is thinking of offer sheets.

Thats not something you do with a bunch of your own RFAs coming up over the next few years

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Is Guerin dumb enough to do something like #9 and Zuccarello (33% retained) for Lias and #20?

I would really love Zucc to finish his career in New York. I think he'd be great for the youngsters like Laf and Kakko, but IDK, I don't think there's room for him as ANOTHER winger and with his salary, yeah, not a good fit.

 

[Leetch3]

What LDs are on the way and are knocking on the door? And which are going to be quite good? You HOPE that Miller is quite good. You have no idea. The kid is pretty raw. Besides that, who else?

Miller and Robertson are the main 2 games for me following by Jones. but yes that is based on hope and they are probably a year + from being in the NHL, maybe 3+ years away from being good established players approaching their potential...so I like the long term future but it definitely will take some time to do it internally...

and note my goal is to build a championship blueline, the lower bar of being better than staal at this point does not move the needle when it comes to rushing a prospect.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I remain unconvinced the Rangers are going to offer sheet anyone.

As do I. It's just not commonplace.

 

[SnowFort]

Yeah, I would prefer a trade. With Tampa’s situation, it probably wouldn’t take *that* much either.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I wonder how much of a concern there is about what goes around coming around, especially now that the Rangers have some top young talent that is likely to get paid someday.

Exactly. Plus, I have a feeling the Rangers are no longer prepared to go multiple years without a 1st.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Lindholm in Calgary moves the needle more for me than Cirelli, especially since it’s known the Rangers have inquired about him before, and weren’t necessarily rebuffed in their interest.

 

[NYR Viper]

Ryan Strome for Mats Zuccarello (with $2m retained) + MIN 1st '20

 

[Ghost of jas]

Ryan Strome for Mats Zuccarello (with $2m retained) + MIN 1st '20

Four more years of Zuccarello at his age when you have the forwards the Rangers are accumulating and the flat cap just seems misguided regardless of getting back a first.

 

[Thirty One]

Let's leave Zuccarello in Minnesota.

 

[Edge]

Yeah, I would prefer a trade. With Tampa’s situation, it probably wouldn’t take *that* much either.

I would guess that would probably be the Rangers approach as well.

 

[Off Sides]

I remain bewildered over the stress to add an expensive mid-20's LD.

Unless he's elite, what's the point?

We have like 4 LDs on the way... some of them are going to be quite good.

I think that comes from the idea that Trouba needs a partner and there is no way any of the LD now or future will work with him. People seem to want to recreate the Girardi/Staal 1st pairing from back when they were pretty okay.