Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLI

[Shesterkybomb]

I really feel Georgiev was gonna be moved at the draft but with it being before playoffs now I'm doubtful. We seem to have enough goalie prospects that we can have Hank as the back up next year, I dont think it's the right thing but I feel management will keep Lundqvist in NY. Georgiev + Anderson for Puijarvi and a 2nd, that type of deal might work for us, or something similar.

 

[aufheben]

Buying out Hank would leave such a bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Elliman]

Really enjoy all our in house GM’s posting here. Some really interesting transactions and line ups.


Here’s my hope for 2021

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Panarin - XXXXXX - Kakko
Lemieux - Howden - Gauthier
XXXXX - Chytil - Kravtsov

XXXXX - Trouba
XXXXX - DeAngelo
Lindgren - Fox

Shestorkin / XXXX

Question Marks:
Georgiev vs Lundqvist
Strome as 2C, Trade vs Walk Vs Sign
Smith / Staal
Miller / Lindkvist / Rykov / Hajek
Andersson vs Himself


Trade: (I’m never good at these And I’m probably way off in value as I rate Georgiev very highly)

Edmonton: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins & Oscar Klefbom

Rangers: Lias Andersson, Alex Georgiev, Rykov/Hajek & Ryan Strome

Move Nugents back to center and keep it warm until Chytil claims it. Klefbom and Staal/Smith keeps the other positions warm until Miller & Lindkvist explode onto the team.

Just for fun sign Kovalchuk on a 1 year 850k deal to play with the kids Kravtsov and Chytil.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Panarin - Hopkins - Kakko
Lemieux - Howden - Gauthier
Kovalchuk - Chytil - Kravtsov

Klefbom - Trouba
Staal / Rookie - DeAngelo
Lindgren - Fox

Shestorkin / Lundqvist or if we buy out Hanks we sign a 1-2 year stop gap until on of our other goalies comes up (and we got more good ones in the pipe line, can you tell I’m a goalie guy?)

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Buying out Hank would leave such a bad taste in my mouth.

Agreed.

I think that’s Plan Z for Gorton. I bet he’d only consider it if he had no other choice.

 

[BleedinBLUEsince92]

Sure it does, I explain it further in that post. One injury to a key guy and they aren’t a bubble team, let alone the bad luck other teams around us have had with injuries. This team has enough good player to make a top 6, that’s all, when this team is competing again, I expect a completely different bottom 6. Out lefty d is a mess and prospects we have are still a bit away. Righty D is a really nice development.

I’d be happy if this team overachieves again, and the coach can get more out of current make up, that would answer questions on young guys we have and how effective Quinn could be. But I’d much rather see us acquire more draft and young assets the next two drafts, watch the big contracts to Hank, Staal, and Smith end, and see the dead cap from buyouts come off. Then we’re in crazy good position to actually acquire higher end young guys while having that many more prospects push out the current borderline nhl players.

I want to see a team that can be a dynasty for 7-10 years, not one that maybe go a couple rounds if everything aligns.

I see the point you’re trying to make but eh that’s literally what a bubble team is. Any bubble team would be impacted greatly by losing a key member to injury. The only teams that wouldn’t be impacted are the teams that have great depth, and those aren’t bubble teams, those are the top teams in the league.

 

[bobbop]

Georgiev is three years away from UFA. Assuming that Igor is the starter from this point forward, he will be gone by then. Logic says that if the Rangers plan to monetize him, it will have to come now or after one of the next two seasons. I'm more comfortable moving him now and having Henrik as a backup for (at least) one year if there is value to be had. I've got to think Ottawa and Detroit would be at the top of the market for a young goaltender to build around. Both have plenty of draft capital available.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we buyout Henrik over Staal, I fear @GoAwayStaal will go batshit crazy and harm himself.

I'ma summon meteor on the NYR FO.

Aside from the fact that one is a franchise legend and the other is one is... not, it would be wrong on so many other levels that ARE hockey related.

 

[nyr2k2]

The hockeyrodent.com had a piece back in 2006 or 2007 about how statistically, it's better to have a goalie "Hiccup Harry" who bombs one every five games and is great the rest, then "Steady Eddie", who is mediocre on a game to game basis, even if the goalies post identical numbers.

At the time it was an indictment of Kevin Weeks, but I think it serves as a solid "plus" to Georgiev, who is clearly a Hiccup Harry

I do think there's something to this. However, I'd actually prefer Hiccup Harry as the starter and Steady Eddy as the backup.

Steady Eddy as the backup, that allows you to easier choose when to rest the starter. You just play him when your starter needs a rest. You don't worry about the match up because he'll be some baseline level of decent regardless.

Also, having the backup in can change the way you prepare. Steady Eddy makes it easier because... he's Steady Eddy and you generally know what you're getting.

 

[B17 Apricots]

Other than maybe LD I'm still in the wait and see boat before trading for a big piece. Finished low and still have too many unknowns. If the plan is to keep Strome he's a good stapgap to see if Chytil can grow into that role. Panarin draws defenders in and sets guys up which could bode well with Chytil's strengths: Shot and 1v1 ability.

I'm all for a Georgiev for a 2nd though to target Nybeck, the Germans, etc.

 

[broadwayblue]

I really feel Georgiev was gonna be moved at the draft but with it being before playoffs now I'm doubtful. We seem to have enough goalie prospects that we can have Hank as the back up next year, I dont think it's the right thing but I feel management will keep Lundqvist in NY. Georgiev + Anderson for Puijarvi and a 2nd, that type of deal might work for us, or something similar.

That deal doesn't seem unreasonable. Word on the street was we needed to pay a 1st or a 2nd on top of Andersson in a deal for JP, so if we add Georgiev it makes sense the add could swing back to EDM. Not sure if a 2nd is the right pick (might be a 3rd), but something in that neighborhood seems about right.

 

[Thirty One]

I really feel Georgiev was gonna be moved at the draft but with it being before playoffs now I'm doubtful. We seem to have enough goalie prospects that we can have Hank as the back up next year, I dont think it's the right thing but I feel management will keep Lundqvist in NY. Georgiev + Anderson for Puijarvi and a 2nd, that type of deal might work for us, or something similar.

Doesn't sound like the draft is going to happen before the playoffs anymore.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Buying out Hank would leave such a bad taste in my mouth.

Agreed. Whether it’s better for the team or not (i dont think it really is enough to buy him out). Find a good trade and trade Geo.

 

[Thirty One]

I think trading Georgiev makes the most sense. Do the Rangers? Seemed like they were very far apart from what other teams value Georgiev early in the year.

 

[UnSandvich]

Is Georgiev really going to be satisfied with playing backup when he thinks he can start? Especially when he's got more NHL games under his belt than his older counterpart in Igor?

 

[SA16]

Is Georgiev really going to be satisfied with playing backup when he thinks he can start? Especially when he's got more NHL games under his belt than his older counterpart in Igor?

It’s not really up to him. If other teams think he can start then they will make a trade offer commensurate with that opinion. If nobody is offering more than a mid round pick then it’s also safe to say nobody else thinks he can be a starter.

However, if that is the best offer I would still make the deal as with Shesterkin here now he will not have nearly as much of an opportunity to show what he can do to other teams.

 

[Matz03]

I see the point you’re trying to make but eh that’s literally what a bubble team is. Any bubble team would be impacted greatly by losing a key member to injury. The only teams that wouldn’t be impacted are the teams that have great depth, and those aren’t bubble teams, those are the top teams in the league.

I don’t think this team is comparable to Toronto, Carolina, Islanders, or even Columbus, as the point totals suggest. I think they’re more on par with Montreal, Devils or Buffalo as made up. We need a remake of entire bottom 6, D help on the left side and just more reps out of the young guys. We had goaltending steal games, mvp season from Panarin, key injuries with to teams with current point grouping. I don’t see long term success until we see real growth from young players, who just need time and reps. When this team is ready to compete we need 2 lefty D, and 4 out of 6 of bottom 6 to be different player or ones who take major steps.

 

[eco's bones]

Georgiev is three years away from UFA. Assuming that Igor is the starter from this point forward, he will be gone by then. Logic says that if the Rangers plan to monetize him, it will have to come now or after one of the next two seasons. I'm more comfortable moving him now and having Henrik as a backup for (at least) one year if there is value to be had. I've got to think Ottawa and Detroit would be at the top of the market for a young goaltender to build around. Both have plenty of draft capital available.

I would want a later 1st for Georgiev--somewhere in the 20's anyway. Otherwise I'd hold onto him. There was considerable interest around the league for him last year and if no one wants to give that much up for him now--I expect some time during the year someone will. It's almost inevitable somebody's goalie will go down for a while and they'll want someone good enough to keep their playoff hopes alive and Alex will be the guy. That also gives us another year to decide on Adam and a year also to look at Tyler.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I wonder if there's a chance they do use Geo to dump Smith or Staal, unlikely Staal, sort of like what Washington did with Orpik.

 

[GAGLine]

Strome as 2C, Trade vs Walk Vs Sign

Trade: (I’m never good at these And I’m probably way off in value as I rate Georgiev very highly)

Edmonton: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins & Oscar Klefbom

Rangers: Lias Andersson, Alex Georgiev, Rykov/Hajek & Ryan Strome

Move Nugents back to center and keep it warm until Chytil claims it. Klefbom and Staal/Smith keeps the other positions warm until Miller & Lindkvist explode onto the team.

Just for fun sign Kovalchuk on a 1 year 850k deal to play with the kids Kravtsov and Chytil.

Kreider - Zibanejad - Buchnevich
Panarin - Hopkins - Kakko
Lemieux - Howden - Gauthier
Kovalchuk - Chytil - Kravtsov

Klefbom - Trouba
Staal / Rookie - DeAngelo
Lindgren - Fox

There's no chance Strome walks. He's an RFA and we will definitely give him a QO.

That trade doesn't work for either team. Edmonton would definitely say no. Remember that they traded Strome to us for Spooner. I seriously doubt they are going to take him back and give up RNH. From the Rangers' perspective, I don't see the point of bringing in RNH to keep the 2C warm until Chytil is ready, not when Strome can do that himself. We would be adding cap as well, which we may not be able to afford.

Kovalchuk isn't going to sign with us to play on the 4th line. Rumor has him going back to Montreal.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

I think trading Georgiev makes the most sense. Do the Rangers? Seemed like they were very far apart from what other teams value Georgiev early in the year.

I don't think his value came into question: everyone knew we had a goalie problem which will have to be resolved at some point....why jump the gun now when you can probably get a better deal somewhere down the road. I think the longer they wait, the less other teams will have to pay (unless, as has been mentioned, some team has a dire need for a goalie due to injury or other causes). Teams can afford to sit back and see what transpires.

 

[Blue Blooded]

The hockeyrodent.com had a piece back in 2006 or 2007 about how statistically, it's better to have a goalie "Hiccup Harry" who bombs one every five games and is great the rest, then "Steady Eddie", who is mediocre on a game to game basis, even if the goalies post identical numbers.

At the time it was an indictment of Kevin Weeks, but I think it serves as a solid "plus" to Georgiev, who is clearly a Hiccup Harry

Consistently great with intermittent meltdowns is the best (which is what you described) the goalie will win most of the good games and lose every poor one, but perfect consistency is a lot better than consistently below average with intermittent standout performances. Sure those standout games are almost exclusively wins, but those below average games will have a much lower W% than the perfectly consistent goalie and those make up the bulk of the starts.

All this is assuming a reasonable Sv%, when Sv% goes really high the perfectly consistent goalie is probably best.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Because Chicago gave away Raanta for free, basically. Dorsett was an effective fourth line grinding wing who played the game hard every shift. Hit anything that moved and forecheck extremely well. Solid skater, too. Sheppard scored against Washington and Glass was, well, the guy everybody came to hate. Hags was replaced down the road by Grabner, but at first? Stalberg, Etem? Nah.

Dorsett sucked. Carcillo was much much better. I'm not saying they win the Cup if Carcillo doesn't get the crazy suspension but he could've changed the Kings series a little bit.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Buying out Hank would leave such a bad taste in my mouth.

Why? Other than the sentimental "because this is New York" which has no logic and is based on an outdated principal and way of life (I got news for y'all yes NYers have been the best during this pandemic but the traditional New York model and way of life doesn't work and has about 20 years left) it's not like they're sending him to the gulag. He's made a lot of money and has endorsements. His number will be retired and he's going into the HHOF.

His bang for buck and how much he brings doesn't add up anymore especially for how little he will play. If they have a compliance buyout, use it and don't look back. They have other people they need to pay.

 

[Crease]

Buying out Hank would leave such a bad taste in my mouth.

I wish there were a better way too. To be fair, the Rangers traded Bathgate and Ratelle and put Giacomin on waivers. It's about winning and about money and sometimes both.

 

[bobbop]

I would want a later 1st for Georgiev--somewhere in the 20's anyway. Otherwise I'd hold onto him. There was considerable interest around the league for him last year and if no one wants to give that much up for him now--I expect some time during the year someone will. It's almost inevitable somebody's goalie will go down for a while and they'll want someone good enough to keep their playoff hopes alive and Alex will be the guy. That also gives us another year to decide on Adam and a year also to look at Tyler.

You might get #32 (Detroit) or #33 (Ottawa) plus another pick. That work for you?