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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL
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Amazing Kreiderman
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Why did Ottawa take the Brassard deal? I stopped trying to understand GM's/owners motives. What I do know, is that Strome is a good player for a win-now team. And if they can trade him for a younger player still 2-3 years away from hitting his prime, it is a good deal for them. Hintz is a player I like, not necessarily a target I think is realistic. But that is the type of player I would target in a trade for Strome who, let's be honest, we don't have to trade. This isn't a cap dump scenario
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Maybe I’m biased because I’m a huge Hintz fan but that deal would be so one sided. In fact if we had a second rounder to give Dallas that would still be one sided.
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Yeah, I know. So maybe Dallas has the same motivation to make a trade? Not wanting to pay Hintz?
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What happens if the Strome contract Dallas wants is a deal that Strome doesn't like? I'm kind of thinking Dallas doesn't want to move Hintz anyway.
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Tough situation to replicate. Because of the front loading and the timing of the bonuses, Ottawa was paying Brassard 2/3 his cap hit.
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I still can't believe that the NHLPA blatantly allows teams to take advantage of players like this by not permitting NTCs immediately and by making it so if you waive the NTC once the new team can choose to not honor it going forward. Not that Strome would get one or anything although in baseball you are not permitted to sign a FA and then trade him until x amount of time has passed. I am not sure if that can be circumvented by player approval.
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Well, the years you can't have a NMC are literally your "Restricted Free Agency" years so it makes sense. It is to emphasize the importance of the draft
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We're talking about trades what does being restricted have anything to do with it? The point is it's a scam for the player that they choose to sacrifice money in exchange for a NTC but then can still be traded anywhere because the NTC can't kick in for several years. So they can end up with neither the money nor the use of the NTC to keep them where they want to be. It is an unfair system.
Back then. Ottawa was a win now team. Brassard was supposed to be one of the final pieces. That and Mika apparently turned off some of the Ottawa management with his style and training.
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It’s not a scam, it’s a concession the players made to get other things they valued more.
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I think it is probably something that they didn't even consider or realize could be an issue at the time. Pure speculation of course but it doesn't seem like something that would be front and center and could very easily be overlooked. The way it is now you really should never take any deal with an NTC while you're an RFA. You'll get more money not doing so and then can get one on your next deal.
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Restricted has everthing to do with it. Can't have a NTC for your RFA years, part of that contract (like Stepan).
The NHLPA votes on these things and they get other things in return. The last people I feel sorry for in this world are pro athletes with all the priveleges being thrown their way
I would even add more than a 7th with Strome. I would really like Hintz with the Rangers
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Hintz and Cirelli? Shit dude, I was thinking #35OA + 75#OA from Nashville, lol. They have an extra 2nd and 3rd. Granlund and Smith are UFAs. They had a real shit PP too and Strome was good there.
Cirelli would cost like Chytil + Lundkvist or something.
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Ottawa traded for Brassard because he had a 5 mil per year cap hit, but the Rangers had paid his 2 mil bonus for the current year and in the following years he was only owed 3.5 total per year. So they got 15 mil of cap hit over 3 years but only had to pay 10 mil. That was a huge savings for a team that is penny pinching hard.
Ryan Strome does not have that kind of contract. It is not the same at all.
Ryan Strome does not have that kind of contract. It is not the same at all.
Probably a 3rd or 4th. There really isnt much value there. Its all luck once you get to those picks
And Ottawa had tried Mika as center but he was mostly used on right wing. Were they already had Stone and Ryan. They decided that they needed a left hand center to add to Kyle Turris who was right handed. It was a trade that almost got them to the Stanley Cup final. They lost game 7 in 2OT in the conference final against Pittsburgh.
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This is exactly what I want the Rangers to be prepared for. With all the good assets/capital they have accumulated, if they can make a little cap space I think they’ll eventually have a chance to pry a gem from another team. Not to mention the effect of this weird Covid situation. I would do everything I could, were I JG, to not give out any bad long term deals. Leave an opening to make a splash off another teams cap blunder.
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