Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

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[The Crypto Guy]

Trade Kreider at the draft, move into another top 10 pick.

That's all I got.

 

[eco's bones]

On the question of Panarin. All I'm saying is I would sign Panarin. I'm not advocating for signing anyone else. To me Panarin is a difference maker.

 

[Irishguy42]

On the question of Panarin. All I'm saying is I would sign Panarin. I'm not advocating for signing anyone else. To me Panarin is a difference maker.

Yes. It's either Panarin, or no one. It's not that difficult.

And the benefits of signing Panarin vastly outweigh any cons.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Moar toffness

 

[LORDE]

Came here to say I hate ALL of u

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Came here to say I hate ALL of u

I love you too

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'm honestly not high enough on the prospect group to go for Panarin. It's a very good group, but I'd want another 95% safe blue-chipper next to Kakko. I have no idea what Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist, Chytil, Andersson, Howden and Hajek look like as prime-age NHLers.

If they sign him, it shows they're very confident in those players, or at least in enough of them.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I'm honestly not high enough on the prospect group to go for Panarin. It's a very good group, but I'd want another 95% safe blue-chipper next to Kakko. I have no idea what Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist, Chytil, Andersson, Howden and Hajek look like as prime-age NHLers.

If they sign him, it shows they're very confident in those players, or at least in enough of them.

To be fair, once we get Kaapo we are basically a lock to be on every top 5 prospect list among all the teams, possibly closer to the top 3 depending on we else we draft in the 1st. You can't really ask for much more than that.

 

[Irishguy42]

Came here to say I hate ALL of u

Finally, the content I really come to HFNYR for.

 

[Beacon]

Finally, the content I really come to HFNYR for.

To be fair, his emotions are possible to understand. We go through the Dark Ages because we traded away all our youth and then refused to rebuild. We then halfass our rebuilding and get a team that is pretty good, but never viewed as a favorite in any ECF or SCF round, so we waste Hank's career. And at the end of it all, the only thing anyone wants is to sign the next name after Phil Esposito, Gretzky, Fleury, Lindros, Bure, Jagr, Gomez, Drury. It's very hard to have positive emotions towards people who refuse to learn not to sacrifice a great future in favor of a mediocre present.

 

[Ola]

On the issue that there is no good UFA the coming years except Panarin (among forwards), that is true.

But that doesn’t mean that big names won’t be traded. More bigger names are moved than usual right now. And more moves are coming.

I would bet on that we on average will see one really big name traded almost once per season and at least 2-4 somewhat bigger names like Skinner, JT Miller and Montour — for a pretty cheap rate of futures.

Teams will just end up in situations were they have no flexibility. Look at Anaheim, older vets with NMCs that cannot be moved or that nobody wants at the caphit they have and very little cap space. What are you going to do when the product on the ice doesn’t work?

STL was listening to Tarasenko before their turn around came:
Try imagining Vladimir Tarasenko in a Bruins uniform - The Boston Globe

“the Blues, considered to be sellers at the Feb. 25 trade deadline, have reportedly been listening to offers on their elite winger, who is signed through 2024 at $7.5 million per year.”

Another rumor has STL being willing to talk about Pieterangelo for Nylander. And I mean, if you are STL and have gone all in for vets and to contend — what are you going to do when it doesn’t work? They turned it around, but others won’t.

Anaheim can’t trade Perry or Getzlaf or Kesler so they trade Montour. Carolina dumps Skinner just to get a change and some flexibility.

It’s of course impossible to predict exactly which team will end up struggling mightly the coming years. But it’s impossible that all teams will do well, 15 will miss the POs every year. If we look at teams like Tampa, Chicago, Pittsburg, Washington and the likes over the coming 2-3 years some of them will collapse, and when they do there will be zero flexibility.

If you have cap space and a boat load of assets there will certainly be opportunities to make very good moves without making 7 year commitments early in the rebuild.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I was listening to NHL Radio this afternoon and they had a few guests on. First, they said expect Nashville to change up their top 4 d, and the Subban rumors came up like they always do. Remember when Nashville were the darlings on here 2 years ago? Now look, brutal contracts given out to Johansen, Turris, Bonino. That’s what I don’t want this team to end up doing: overpaying for good but not great players and limiting ourselves because we have bad contracts right when we’re about to compete again. Another thing that was discussed was Dubas and how he failed this year. They also said to expect changes to management possibly. So much for Mr. Stat Geek.

 

[Ola]

To be fair, his emotions are possible to understand. We go through the Dark Ages because we traded away all our youth and then refused to rebuild. We then halfass our rebuilding and get a team that is pretty good, but never viewed as a favorite in any ECF or SCF round, so we waste Hank's career. And at the end of it all, the only thing anyone wants is to sign the next name after Phil Esposito, Gretzky, Fleury, Lindros, Bure, Jagr, Gomez, Drury. It's very hard to have positive emotions towards people who refuse to learn not to sacrifice a great future in favor of a mediocre present.

Hehe, you litterary could have made that list 3x longer. Where is Holik? 8.5m per what 20 years ago. Kamensky? Redden? Lefebvre? Pat Lafontain? Brian Skrudland? Mike Keane? Beaver? Shattenkirk? Smith? And so forth.

 

[SA16]

Hehe, you litterary could have made that list 3x longer. Where is Holik? 8.5m per what 20 years ago. Kamensky? Redden? Lefebvre? Pat Lafontain? Brian Skrudland? Mike Keane? Beaver? Shattenkirk? Smith? And so forth.

What is the relevance of guys signed before there was a salary cap?

 

[haohmaru]

On the issue that there is no good UFA the coming years except Panarin (among forwards), that is true.

But that doesn’t mean that big names won’t be traded. More bigger names are moved than usual right now. And more moves are coming.

A large part of the appeal to signing Panarin is that all it costs you is cap space. Trades cost much, much more.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Hehe, you litterary could have made that list 3x longer. Where is Holik? 8.5m per what 20 years ago. Kamensky? Redden? Lefebvre? Pat Lafontain? Brian Skrudland? Mike Keane? Beaver? Shattenkirk? Smith? And so forth.

WTF? Lol.

Keane, Lefebvre (who I'd say OVERachieved) and Skrudland were never projected to be difference makers, so you can throw Bruce Driver or someone else they signed.

 

[Kocur Dill]

I'm honestly not high enough on the prospect group to go for Panarin. It's a very good group, but I'd want another 95% safe blue-chipper next to Kakko. I have no idea what Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist, Chytil, Andersson, Howden and Hajek look like as prime-age NHLers.

If they sign him, it shows they're very confident in those players, or at least in enough of them.

i'll take it a step further and say I don't want "just enough" guys to semi fill a roster. i want the pipeline stocked with replacements as well.

1) to push and keep those guys uncomfortable
2) injury insurance
3) salary insurance due to cap constraints
4) trade chips to fill holes
5) to have talented cheap contracts for bottom 6 and 3rd pair roles 5 years from now.

You don't get those types of players drafting 20+ year after year.

We are nowhere near buying into the UFA pool, IMO.
If I'm reading the tea leaves correct. We are establishing a talent pool, seeing what shakes out, riding out 3 or 4 bad contracts, and buying/trading for vets after establishing what we have in our prospects, where they fit, what roles they nail down, and how much of the cap they consume, then sign or trade to fill in the blanks as needed.

 

[Ola]

Lucas Raymond from Sweden is the next Mitch Marner. He is just impossible to stop or get the puck from when he has it. Given the depth at the top of next seasons draft, he could be there are 4-5, even 6. RHS too.

Deal Kreider. Try to make a Jeff Skinner type of trade. Toffoli from LA? Someone that isn’t a long-term commitment and that can support the kids a bit. Dump Vesey and Names.

Kravy-Ziba-Buch
Lemieuz-Chytil-Toffoli
Lias-Howden-Kakko
Smith-Boo-Fast

Back that up by a very offensively skilled blueline. We aren’t getting rid of Shattenkirk, most likely... If we can get Fox, you have to rotate that position next season. Or Pionk can be traded.

Make another top 10 selection in 20’. Can you even get into the top 5? Shouldn’t be impossible. Push Hank, Smith, Shatty and Staal. They have one season left, the 20/21 season. With one year left and the sleeves rolled up — Gorts should be able to get rid of some of them.

 

[Ola]

WTF? Lol.

Keane, Lefebvre (who I'd say OVERachieved) and Skrudland were never projected to be difference makers, so you can throw Bruce Driver or someone else they signed.

Lefebvre overachieved? Skrudland and Keane was paid a boatload of money, 2-3m per for third lineers was crazy money in 97’ or whenever we singed them.

Skrudland did get us Heartbeat Harvey, so maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned him.

@SA16 I point is just, we have an awful record of signing UFAs. Beyond awful. Must be the worst in all of sports all around the globe, and I don’t think it’s even close.

Relevant? Maybe not. But it certainly will affect how some fans feel about UFAs.

 

[pld459666]

To be fair, his emotions are possible to understand. We go through the Dark Ages because we traded away all our youth and then refused to rebuild. We then halfass our rebuilding and get a team that is pretty good, but never viewed as a favorite in any ECF or SCF round, so we waste Hank's career. And at the end of it all, the only thing anyone wants is to sign the next name after Phil Esposito, Gretzky, Fleury, Lindros, Bure, Jagr, Gomez, Drury. It's very hard to have positive emotions towards people who refuse to learn not to sacrifice a great future in favor of a mediocre present.

A little different when you getting those names while KEEPING the youth you do have.

I think it's a mistake to approach any rebuilding situation and think the only way to acquire top end talent is to draft them.

So long as we don't move these highly touted youngsters in a deal for an older name the way the Rangers used to operate, I encourage them to go out and get a Panarin.

I'm also of the belief that he has another good 6-7 years ahead of him.

 

[SA16]

Lefebvre overachieved? Skrudland and Keane was paid a boatload of money, 2-3m per for third lineers was crazy money in 97’ or whenever we singed them.

Skrudland did get us Heartbeat Harvey, so maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned him.

@SA16 I point is just, we have an awful record of signing UFAs. Beyond awful. Must be the worst in all of sports all around the globe, and I don’t think it’s even close.

Relevant? Maybe not. But it certainly will affect how some fans feel about UFAs.

Every fanbase thinks that their UFAs are the worst, that their players get hurt the most, that the refs hate them the most etc. I cannot see what signing previous UFAs has any relevance to signing future UFAs. It's not even the same management. And why do we only mention the bad ones? Gretzky was great anyway. Gaborik great. Jagr (not a UFA) was great. Gomez was very good. Richards was good (until the end of his last year) but they really got bailed out by the compliance. Drury was basically the same as he was in Buffalo until the injury issues hurts his skating. Redden was a disaster but was in an era it didn't matter since they could just dump the cap hit in the AHL. Shattenkirk has not worked out so far but it's mostly been due to injury. Smith depends who you ask because I think he is good and has a bad reputation. If you ask me since the lockout there has been much more good than bad.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

People will be very surprised to see this team make the playoffs next year but not me. I honestly think we built a great mood and culture here and it will improve next year. I expect better years from Skjei, Howden, Chytil, Anderson, Pionk and DeAngelo. Add in Kappo and Kravtsov and possibly Hajek and I really think outside of key injuries this could easily be a playoff team without adding anyone. If we see the improvement next year that we did last year the team will be a lot closer to 8th than 16 in the east.

 

[pld459666]

What is the relevance of guys signed before there was a salary cap?

Not only that, but those guys were not signed to augment the kids on the team and in the system.

They were signed and at the same time looked at to lead the team.

I look at signing Panarin type player to help Mika become a better center. To help any winger opposite him to be a better winger. To take the pressure off other lines allowing for better matchups to help THEM develop.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The key to building through all mechanisms is to keep your high end draft positions. The Rangers problem has always been burning the candle at both ends, getting older UFA's and trading 1st and 2nd round picks away. If you are continuing to draft and you add a UFA here and there it just supplements the players you drafted and allows you to season some of your players in the minors like they should. Having said that I dont want to go down the Karlsson road and definately not trading for Trouba because the jets will want young players or picks.