Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[Fitzy]

What's funny(Not ha-ha funny) is that De Haan was pretty OK in the couple games he played. Terribly small sample size but better than Vaak, Jones, Soucy were more of the time.

 

[TGWL]

• Fire Laviolette & Housely, hire Woodcroft or Jay Leach. Keep Muse & Peca on the staff
• Schneider + 3rd for Peterka
• Mika + K'Andre + Othmann for Rossi + Brodin
• Kreider + Jones packaged for a 2nd round pick
• dump Soucy for a 4th/5th

RFA

• Peterka - 5 x 6.5m
• Cuylle - 2 x 3.25m
• Rossi - 6 x 6m
• Edstrom 1 x 950k
• Rempe 1 x 900k

UFA

• Dumoulin - 3 x 3m
• Fabbro - 4 x 3.75m
• 7th D - 1 x 850k

Panarin Rossi Peterka
Lafreniere Miller Perreault
Cuylle Trocheck Berard/Parssinen
Edstrom Carrick Rempe/Brodzinski/Parssinen/Berard

Brodin Fox
Dumoulin Fabbro
Vaakanainen Borgen
(vet min. 7th D)

Igor/Quick

Peterka has 66 points in 75 games. Why is he signing for 6.5 over 5 years when the cap is going up? Rossi shouldn't sign that contract either.

 

[Fitzy]

Peterka has 66 points in 75 games. Why is he signing for 6.5 over 5 years when the cap is going up? Rossi shouldn't sign that contract either.

It also may be harder for this franchise to attract free agents than usual given our current reputation.

 

[TGWL]

It also may be harder for this franchise to attract free agents than usual given our current reputation.

And cost of living is certainly going to jump that number up for him to sign here.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Which is going to happen. Drury allegedly does not like Panarin so the moment he can get rid of him, he will.

And when it happens this team will be in the basement.

Drury thinks he can replace Panarin with all the wingers the organization has that, at most, have middle six upside lol

Hopefully Drury is fired before Panarin becomes a UFA.

 

[Machinehead]

That estimate is low for Peterka, I agree with that, but also who cares?

I'd shell out whatever we need to for a guy like that.

The problem isn't that we spend money. It's that we spend it on guys that aren't all that great.

 

[kovazub94]

If you took every team's six best players, that group has to be near the bottom of the league.

Glad they think that's the "core" and it just needs "support."

It needs a new core.

Going in order of the posts since yesterday but I hope you got a push back on this take as I continue to read.

 

[IDvsEGO]

And cost of living is certainly going to jump that number up for him to sign here.

The cost of living is below what an nhl minimum contract. It’s a minor concern for most players

 

[Machinehead]

Going in order of the posts since yesterday but I hope you got a push back on this take as I continue to read.

Actually, not at all.

I think most people think this sucks.

 

[DanielBrassard]

And yet three of the top teams in the league are led by Mark Scheifele, Roope Hintz, and PLD (a guy who we were told you can't win with).

Dylan Strome. But let’s see if any of those teams get out of the first round.

 

[bhamill]

I could see it creating an odd vibe if rookies and young guys are getting called out but vets are getting all the ice time they could imagine no matter what. Seems like that is what is happening.

I agree with this in general, BUT… It was in Hartford, and none of the vets (or anyone else) quit on the team the way Krav did… there was no comparable among the Hartford vets.

 

[DanielBrassard]

NYR think their core is JT Miller, Trocheck, Cuylle, Fox, Schneider and Igor?

And people are encouraged by Drury's talent evaluation?

Braden Schneider who is stuck on their 3rd pairing for the next 5 years behind will Borgen is in the core, but he wasn’t good enough to jump ahead of Borgen on the depth chart. I’d love to hear the Drury apologists make sense of that one, I really would.

Will f***in Borgen btw.

 

[Machinehead]

Braden Schneider who is stuck on their 3rd pairing for the next 5 years behind will Borgen is in the core, but he wasn’t good enough to jump ahead of Borgen on the depth chart. I’d love to hear the Drury apologists make sense of that one, I really would.

Will f***in Borgen btw.

This team tries to gaslight us.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Drury should avoid giving Panarin a contract extension. While Brooks referred to him as part of the core at the end of the discussion, the Rangers need to move on. You can’t criticize the core group and then turn around and keep Panarin, Miller, and Trocheck, and still expect different results—or claim you're empowering the young players. Keeping all three clogs up the top six and leaves little room for meaningful change.

It's the same shit all over again. Those three players are in their 30's.

This would be more plausible if he didn’t give away a first for Miller. But he did so now letting Panarin go doesn’t really make much sense.

 

[TGWL]

The cost of living is below what an nhl minimum contract. It’s a minor concern for most players

It 100% isn't a minor concern when players are negotiating a contract here. If a player is looking for 6x6 in Buffalo, he's most likely signing for more than 6 here.

 

[LokiDog]

Remember when Borgen signed that contract and I said “Will Borgen is a bottom pairing D man” and got ate up by this fan base? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[Levitate]

dunno that the De Haan thing is a reflection on Drury unless Drury himself was promising things or saying stuff, seems more a reflection on the coaching staff

Again what is wild is that a bunch of spare forwards and defensemen feel like it's reasonable to complain about their playing time to the media. Vesey, De Haan, Jones...out of all of those at least Jones has a good reason in that they should f***in' trade him or play him instead of keeping him in limbo, but the others? Spare parts. De Haan was playing in the AHL earlier this year. f*** off with your indignation.

e: I mean just in that it seems indicative of locker room and coaching troubles once again and a GM who doesn't seem receptive to working with his players unless he's bashed over the head with "this is a bad way to do business!'

At any rate, I'd bet Drury gets another year to clean things up and show some sort of progress but unless he's gonna make miracles I'm not sure that's gonna happen.

What would be insane is Drury hires another coach, team does meh, Drury gets fired, new GM comes in, fires coach and hires another....

 

[UnparalledPark]

Actually, not at all.

I think most people think this sucks.

I remember looking at how the team was constructed last year and concluded that the Rangers had more good players than any other team, but they were definitely behind in top end talent.

 

[TGWL]

Remember when Borgen signed that contract and I said “Will Borgen is a bottom pairing D man” and got ate up by this fan base? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I said I didn't see the rush in signing him. I thought that was premature for the value and term.

 

[McRanger92]

They both said that Dolan is very involved CURRENTLY in the Rangers? Seems like Dolan has taken very much a hands-off approach since hiring Sather.

Sather has been gone for years now. Everything Drury has done screams "puppet"

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Since it looks like it will be too 13- what is the thought on what the Rangers FO will do with the ‘25 1st? Apologies if another Pens fan has asked this.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Since it looks like it will be too 13- what is the thought on what the Rangers FO will do with the ‘25 1st? Apologies if another Pens fan has asked this.

Congrats on the lottery pick.

 

[Fitzy]

Remember when Borgen signed that contract and I said “Will Borgen is a bottom pairing D man” and got ate up by this fan base? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I said something similar. He's a very good #5 that I was concerned that we'd pay and play like a #4 and we did.

The key will be whether, if Schneider progresses, NYR have the guts to flip their roles, and unlilke a lot of other situations, I think the right coach would be willing. Borgen would still play 18-19 minutes logging lots of PK time.

He just has to avoid getting fat and partying all summer or the Brendan Smith comps will get worse.

Borgen making 4 mil as a #5 can work. But this team desperately needs a 1B defenseman to push Miller, Borgen down a spot each, and I don't see any available.

 

[McRanger92]

This would be more plausible if he didn’t give away a first for Miller. But he did so now letting Panarin go doesn’t really make much sense.

I dont see how Panarin and Miller are connected at all tbh

 

[Machinehead]

Since it looks like it will be too 13- what is the thought on what the Rangers FO will do with the ‘25 1st? Apologies if another Pens fan has asked this.

They'll keep it because they're gonna convince themselves they can run it back next year.