Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

In terms of the coaching staff, I know everyone talks about Peca because he looks like a GQ model and was a feisty player, but I'd be fine giving the keys to Muse due to his rapport with the younger players and letting him pick everything. That will be Drury's last hire.

I see them bringing back the same team minus Kreider/Jones. I'd retain 50% to dump Soucey. He's terrible.

Rangers have a rough end of the year against some really good teams and I see them going 2-4 or 1-5 because let's be real, after Montreal's win last night these guys checked out. Best case scenario is if they finish around 9th-10th and somehow move up in the draft for Schaefer. Him + Gavrikov and the D is in much better shape.
 
Rangers really screwed themselves when they gave Shesh that extension. I'd understand it more if they did it last summer. When they did it is just a head scratcher. If Zib and Kreider were younger maybe could attribute it to a down year. Can't say that with their current ages.

If they really want to change things up and redistribute their salary cap they have to move Panarin. I'm sure they could find a deal where they take little to nothing cap back. Can break that salary up into 2 really good players.

Moving Kreider is a definite. I dont see a taker for Zib and unless Drury is gone I don't see them moving Laff.
Because Drury panicked after the Trouba shit show and tried to do something to change the narrative. And now he’s stuck overpaying a goalie for the next 8 years.
 
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Laffy is going to be the other wildcard. Conditioning appears to still be an issue with him 5+ years into his career. Defensive laziness and consistency are still regular problems. He's clearly a kid that needs a strong room and culture around him to keep him on a path and that is something nyr does not have. So IF nyr looked to trade him who can take that contract? Who's willing to take it? Who has assets that nyr would want in exchange for that contract? Laffy does not have the kind of league wide value most here probably think he does. I think those people claiming they wouldn't trade laffy for Brady tkachuk earlier this year have moved on from that nonsense.
I completely agree about KAM...no reason to trade him until we see him with a new staff.

The bolded in the Laf paragraph was one of the funniest/cringiest takes by so many people on this site. Talk about drinking the homer kool-aid.
 
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It speak volumes about the Rangers org, their players and how players that have played for them view and feel about the org that the past ranger legend willing and able to take the GM and President role and lead this team to a championship is..............

Chris Drury.
 
I'm not sure there is much the Rangers can do. Hands might be tied. And it all depends on their self-valuation and approach.

As much as it pains me, Kreider is likely gone. Maybe they keep him to see if he can bounce back. Value is low right now. See where they're at by the deadline.
Mika needs to be worked with to waive the NTC and sent elsewhere.
I would probably find a way to trade Trocheck.
Lafreniere has been a disappointment. Probably time for a change of scenery,
Kaliyev, Parsinnen, Aube-Kubel don't matter. Let them all go.

K'Andre Miller. Traded. You can't lock him up long term. Time to move on.

Really the only defensemen we should keep that would be staples in the lineup are Fox, Schneider, and Borgen. I like Jones but I don't think he'll remain in NY this offseason.

BUT DRURY SHOULD NOT BE THE ONE TO MAKE THESE MOVES!
Large agree overall, but mo specifically imo:

Kreider - no one is paying/taking risk for damaged goods due to injury. I tried to see if other workaround, does not appear to be the case, LTIR him. IF and when he sufficiently recovers, we can weigh how productive he is with what we then have vs trading him based on offers made then

Meeka has to go. Don't wanna hear any bs about we don't retain max 4.25 x 5 remaining seasons to help do it.
The first thing after officially LTIR ck is to signal the core is being dealt. That means Fox and Shesty while we still can b'c very soon they also lock in and have full control. If Fox really loves this team, he will take one for it, go somewhere for 3 or so seasons, and audition to return when his deal is up; but recognize now, we can't placate any egos, we didn't listen to bern, we did too many stupid win now deals, we drafted poorly [Krav over Dotson], and now we need a sharp pivot.
bread also likely gone, maybe tro as well.
The one thing Zib treasures most is his little girl. LA/ANA offers him chance to spoil her w/frequent trips to Disneyland. It could be enuf motivation for him to waive after seeing the core flushed out

Tro I wanna see offers. Strong FO pivot who plays physical commands offers, but unless it's a blow away offer, hold and see if we can't up his value w/better linemates [mo chemistry]

LaF - disappointing. Again prefer to find better linemate results before dealing, although right offer and can't say buh bye fast enuf
Have always said selling to a Canada based team would yield highest return.
MON has Reinbacher, who looked to be a bigger Brian Leetch. No hope there. But I read his progress delayed by issues with both of his knees. This would be HUGE gamble but I would make it, LaF for Rein as a core, we prob have to add but let's say the add is swallow-able.

KAM disagree. You can and do lock him up long term max or close to deal 6-8 yrs 5.25-5.75 per. No nmc, decent ntcs. Keep unless part of package that gets us Byfield, ditto Schneider

Kaliyev, Parsinnen, Aube-Kubel are ok at min $ if not blocking guys like Roo, etc.

I think we need a big deal w/LA for Byfield +, max retained bread for DAL 1st + Bisch. Maybe if we can agree on compensation we route him thru ANA and also try for Helleson.

The rest as noted above needs to be seen.

Lav MUST go.
Drury needs to be surgically removed. Giving power to his replacement if no better is not a net gain. Prob have to make him settle for Pres of Hockey Ops, give GM tryout 1 yr deal.
If don't like it, too fuggin bad, bern can take side gig consultancy while trying to save the world!

There are obvious things the team will need to decide this summer but laffy and kam are going to be two wildcards. Key has been awful and I'm not giving him a pass but this has been progressively worse since Housley got here. You would hate to move him for who knows what and then see him rebound within another team with some actual structure, not to mentioned nyr ld depth is already quite poor.

Laffy is going to be the other wildcard. Conditioning appears to still be an issue with him 5+ years into his career. Defensive laziness and consistency are still regular problems. He's clearly a kid that needs a strong room and culture around him to keep him on a path and that is something nyr does not have. So IF nyr looked to trade him who can take that contract? Who's willing to take it? Who has assets that nyr would want in exchange for that contract? Laffy does not have the kind of league wide value most here probably think he does. I think those people claiming they wouldn't trade laffy for Brady tkachuk earlier this year have moved on from that nonsense.

I wish we were able to take that kakko cozens trade I brought up. Cozens looks like a real player now that he's with a real team.

Whoever makes the next coaching hire really needs to get the right person here. This team needs someone that will demand a standard of conditioning and 200' commitment.

This off-season can be viewed as pivitoal for the organization for the next 3 or so years.
insightful esp bold
rather than dump KK wish we had better commitment to developing chemistry; he produced well w/kid line(s).

Ironically, his CF% stats at 5v5 are pretty good with the Rangers. It’s been 11 games so it’s a small sample size but still interesting.

His playing style just did not fit in Vancouver at all. Something was off there with him. He was pretty good in Seattle.

Borgen is similar in that when Seattle changes their system and signed guys to play ahead of him he struggled. It doesn’t mean he’s a bad player it just means he’s a guy who should play in certain types of situations. IMO, Borgen has been good
agree Borgen has been good; not good enuf for us to sell low on KK, but good enuf we should have taken him from SEA for other currency
Soucy I'm not as bullish on, but the is another one who looks better in certain systems and/or produces better w/certain partner types than others
 
It speak volumes about the Rangers org, their players and how players that have played for them view and feel about the org that the past ranger legend willing and able to take the GM and President role and lead this team to a championship is..............

Chris Drury.
Has nothing to do with willing and able. If the job was open the best minds in hockey would go for it.

The problem is we’ve been stuck in the Glen Sather hockey ops tree for the last 25 years and Dolan won’t go outside of it.

And if this Ranger legend thing is a reference to Messier, no thanks. That guy is a moron and thinks he deserves the job because of his last name. No thanks
 
Rangers really screwed themselves when they gave Shesh that extension. I'd understand it more if they did it last summer. When they did it is just a head scratcher. If Zib and Kreider were younger maybe could attribute it to a down year. Can't say that with their current ages.

If they really want to change things up and redistribute their salary cap they have to move Panarin. I'm sure they could find a deal where they take little to nothing cap back. Can break that salary up into 2 really good players.

Moving Kreider is a definite. I dont see a taker for Zib and unless Drury is gone I don't see them moving Laff.
As posted prev, it is not clear if they did/did not push Igor on a long term deal for less. There were rumblings he "wanted to bet on himself" "to establish a new benchmark for Gs". So that may explain things but BTAIM, Igor has to go now to highest bidder regardless of look.
Keeping Shesty and selling low on Garand would be a mistake
Accept growing pains, develop youth

bread disagree as to "take little to no... cap back". Cap reality is hard, not flexible. Not realistic to see too many takers where he will waive for that have space.
DAL. at half max retained. We still save half salary, add immediately useful bish + pick

"Moving Kreider is a definite. I dont see a taker for Zib and unless Drury is gone I don't see them moving Laff."
The Kreider hate is going to have to bend, buckle and break in capitulation to the reality that [unless there is something going on like some sort of favor under the table to be repaid later] no one is paying for damaged goods. PERIOD. Let that sink in.
B'c it IS injury, Kreider deserves compassion here.
He should not be playing, regardless of whose stupid idea that is, but that is a separate issue.

Zib deserves no sympathy. LA or maybe ANA, not SJ are fits he may waive for IF we first move Fox and Shesty and signal the core is being broken up, AND we eat a full half max retained salary. Whether or not Drury is still here has zero impact on Zib imo. He has full control, he knows it, and has to experience a recalculation that signals to him moving on is better.
 
Has nothing to do with willing and able. If the job was open the best minds in hockey would go for it.

The problem is we’ve been stuck in the Glen Sather hockey ops tree for the last 25 years and Dolan won’t go outside of it.

And if this Ranger legend thing is a reference to Messier, no thanks. That guy is a moron and thinks he deserves the job because of his last name. No thanks
Would they? Ranger fans are the only fans that still have a very high opinion of themselves and their team despite the landscape clearly shifting to other markets.

No. Messier is an asshole. Like Drury.
 
In terms of the coaching staff, I know everyone talks about Peca because he looks like a GQ model and was a feisty player, but I'd be fine giving the keys to Muse due to his rapport with the younger players and letting him pick everything. That will be Drury's last hire.

I see them bringing back the same team minus Kreider/Jones. I'd retain 50% to dump Soucey. He's terrible.

Rangers have a rough end of the year against some really good teams and I see them going 2-4 or 1-5 because let's be real, after Montreal's win last night these guys checked out. Best case scenario is if they finish around 9th-10th and somehow move up in the draft for Schaefer. Him + Gavrikov and the D is in much better shape.
don't be so fast on da bold
only 3 retention slots, 2 will be needed for zib and bread
just don't play

Gav is interesting.
LA supposedly wants to but doesn't see it can keep Gav.
Gav gonna cost 8-ish, then we pay bern premium 1m extra so NO nmc and lesser term 4-5 yrs instead of max.

If we do a big deal* of Schneider + for Byfield +, we can offer as a sweetener either Ks sign and trade Gav to us for KAM, which they like b'c they get something, or they can structure it w/our help so their immediate roster, w/Byfield to us, allows resigning Gav [Schneid gets a short deal while other Kings come off the books following season].

* remember, this is predicated on LA concern that Doughty, on IR most of this yr, is greater risk of falling off a cliff faster than Kopitar. Ks D depth is not good, esp RD depth, and worse if Gav goes w/no replacement
 
I'd consider that. Right now we need 3 left side Dmen.
We need a true 1LD, or at least a top end 2LD if Key plays with Fox.

Key is a little frustrating, and his lapses in judgment are his only barrier to being a top end 2LD or better.

Jones and Vaaks bring different tools, so they make a good combo of 6/7, imo.

Soucy kinda blows, but he's at least a warm NHL body that acts as a placeholder until next deadline. He's another 6/7 that we don't necessarily need except for the fact that we have a huge gap.

We absolutely need one. Three is exaggeration.

I wish we were in on Hanifin. That type of piece (a better Miller in a way) would have tied everything together.
 
Would they? Ranger fans are the only fans that still have a very high opinion of themselves and their team despite the landscape clearly shifting to other markets.

No. Messier is an asshole. Like Drury.
100% yes. Not even a question. There is only so many of these jobs and despite the despair from fans, this is still the NY Rangers.

People said this for years about the Knicks and Dolan finally got his head out of his ass to hire someone out of the box. It’s worked pretty well.
 
Messier in any leadership position would be a great way to set the team back 15-20 years. For all the complaining about Drury's quick rise, he was at least doing something in the org leadership. Messier demands everything be handed to him on a silver platter while doing 0 work to earn it. He has 0 connections in the industry, has 0 qualifications besides being a former player, and his analysis in studio is so surface level I genuinely don't know if he understands modern hockey anymore.
 
Because Drury panicked after the Trouba shit show and tried to do something to change the narrative. And now he’s stuck overpaying a goalie for the next 8 years.

I don’t understand this take. The Trouba trade was lauded as an absolute win for the Rangers even at the time of the deal. He cleared almost $7m in cap space and removed almost a complete dead weight from this year and next years roster. What was he trying to change as a narrative?
 
Would they? Ranger fans are the only fans that still have a very high opinion of themselves and their team despite the landscape clearly shifting to other markets.

No. Messier is an asshole. Like Drury.
They would trip over themselves to get the gig.

The current state of the team is clouding your judgement to think otherwise
 
Drury and his team appear to be changing the style and culture of the team but the veterans aren’t having it. It’s clear as day. The young players play with heart and persistence, the veterans don’t. Part of the reason he re-signed Igor and went out to get Miller is it’s clear that’s the direction he wants to go. Look at the young players they are picking and cultivating in Hartford. It’s more Edstrom’s, Othman’s and Berard’s.

The veterans haven’t had to actually consistently exert high energy for a few years and it’s clear they lack the inner drive to make the change. We all saw it even when Goodrow and Trouba were here and were holding other players accountable. Remove those guys and the house of cards falls apart.

It’s a transition year. I do see that Drury has a clear path he is forcing the team towards and it’s not going to include Kreider and likely Panarin. Zibanejad is a pipe dream to move, honestly. It will be telling if the team wants to retain Miller at this point. If he has been following around the Kreider’s and Zibanejad’s of the world then it’s time for him to go too. The culture is in mid-change so it looks worse than it likely will be next year when everyone should be on the same page.
 
Has nothing to do with willing and able. If the job was open the best minds in hockey would go for it.

The problem is we’ve been stuck in the Glen Sather hockey ops tree for the last 25 years and Dolan won’t go outside of it.

And if this Ranger legend thing is a reference to Messier, no thanks. That guy is a moron and thinks he deserves the job because of his last name. No thanks
There's also the fact that a lot of people will not work for Dolan...
 
Outplayed again in New Jersey. 3 goals on 15 shots. We didn’t score but allowing 3 goals on 15 shots doesn’t help. I would say goaltending is an issue except when quick plays.
The issue in this case is the QUALITY of the chances. Not the number. For instance 5 breakaways and 5 unobstructed wristers from the blue line are an equal number of shots, but not EQUAL chances.
 
100% yes. Not even a question. There is only so many of these jobs and despite the despair from fans, this is still the NY Rangers.

People said this for years about the Knicks and Dolan finally got his head out of his ass to hire someone out of the box. It’s worked pretty well.
Did they do a good job hiring Rose, or did they get lucky from a short list? Rose was an agent, but never an exec before. A good agent, but there were question marks. And the ever present, "if they let him do what he wants..."

I am not in despair. Haha. I just don't think the "it's the New York Rangers" argument means anything at all. People didn't want the knicks job despite it "being the knicks". And the knicks are like 4 times the market of the Rangers.

Every year more and more players and FO people choose to work in areas that at one time were deemed "undesirable". The world is connected now. You don't need to be in New York anymore. You need a situation that's going to let you do what you need to, when you need to do it. Do the Rangers offer that?

I see this a lot with Ranger fans. They simultaneously say everyone wants to be here, then out of the other side of their mouth they complain about Dolan and playoff mandates and forcing certain old players here, etc..

So which is it? Are we a place where everyone wants to be cause the situation is so good? Or are we a place where you will be demanded to get playoff gates regardless of all else and need to target players that sell jerseys?

I mean, I don't know man. Maybe all the FO guys will want it. Maybe we don't even fire Drury. Which would suck. Maybe he turns it around. I doubt it. I can tell you one thing I fear is watching a new GM come in here and keep everyone. That would somehow be worse. Haha

Maybe it's both. Maybe everyone wants to be here despite it being a shitty place to be.
 

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