Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[bernmeister]

The Kings are not trading Byfield. Get it out of your head. He's a TWENTY TWO year old center on a great contract for the next 3+ years, the team loves him and he's getting better every year. It's not happening. The Kings aren't idiots.

you have a right to be close minded, and I have a right to ignore or call you out for it

Schneider is TWENTY THREE!! That is comparable age, obv
while a bit less cost controlled for comparable, Scheid is also cost controlled, and can be extended smartly long term now for a great # also
The ?s remain, and this IS the REAL crux of the issue, NOT yr false narrative:
are Ks better off grabbing Schneid +now at cost of Byfield + ?
-- this is based on assessment that Kopitar exit is easier and more flexible than Doughty, who does not look good returning from long injury, and who can fall off a cliff immediately; and
-- Ks do not have D depth or cap space, and may have to let Gavrikov walk for nada as a result; this may help with that;
-- Ks can work w/pivot depth better short term than backliner depth


So NO, I will not get it out of my head as to Ks not trading Byfield.
I have above rebuffed your false narrative and you will consider yourself repudiated. The competition of ideas will continue, not be stifled.

 

[bernmeister]

Only if we can play Byfield at center

preachin to da choir, I wasn't going there to put him on the backline!

 

[Hockeyfan200]

you have a right to be close minded, and I have a right to ignore or call you out for it

Schneider is TWENTY THREE!! That is comparable age, obv
while a bit less cost controlled for comparable, Scheid is also cost controlled, and can be extended smartly long term now for a great # also
The ?s remain, and this IS the REAL crux of the issue, NOT yr false narrative:
are Ks better off grabbing Schneid +now at cost of Byfield + ?
-- this is based on assessment that Kopitar exit is easier and more flexible than Doughty, who does not look good returning from long injury, and who can fall off a cliff immediately; and
-- Ks do not have D depth or cap space, and may have to let Gavrikov walk for nada as a result; this may help with that;
-- Ks can work w/pivot depth better short term than backliner depth


So NO, I will not get it out of my head as to Ks not trading Byfield.
I have above rebuffed your false narrative and you will consider yourself repudiated. The competition of ideas will continue, not be stifled.

Team aren't trading a good young C on long term contract who was traded fir a Dman whose not even 1d. lol

 

[jerseyjinx94]

If by this season you mean last game then yes. If he played like that all the time he'd be universally loved here but thats an exhausting/taxing way to play.

I'd offer him 7 mill a year max and if he wants a penny more he can f*** off. If he really wants to stay, he can do so at a relatively significant discount and pay the team back for being a failure when its mattered.

I can't stand his style, but at a certain point it'd be stupid not to bring him back (and 7x3 would be that point.) Even if he continues to suck in the playoffs, at that rate he isn't binding your cap and you still do need people to get you through 82 and over 82 he's objectively been very good (or at least, very productive.)

No way he takes 7x3. Maybe 7.5x5 but most likely 9x4 or something like that. He’s coming down 2.5M and is still over a PPG. The cap is going up. He won’t take 7

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Team aren't trading a good young C on long term contract who was traded fir a Dman whose not even 1d. lol

Quentin Byfield: career high 55 points, 19 G 47 points this year. Worth a 1D

Alexis Lafreniere: career high 57 points, 16 G 43 points this year. Worth trash

NYR fan logic

Edit: not directed at you. More general

 

[Mothmann78]

How long before Gabe94 makes an appearance?

if things dont go well...

 

[haohmaru]

you have a right to be close minded, and I have a right to ignore or call you out for it

Schneider is TWENTY THREE!! That is comparable age, obv
while a bit less cost controlled for comparable, Scheid is also cost controlled, and can be extended smartly long term now for a great # also
The ?s remain, and this IS the REAL crux of the issue, NOT yr false narrative:
are Ks better off grabbing Schneid +now at cost of Byfield + ?
-- this is based on assessment that Kopitar exit is easier and more flexible than Doughty, who does not look good returning from long injury, and who can fall off a cliff immediately; and
-- Ks do not have D depth or cap space, and may have to let Gavrikov walk for nada as a result; this may help with that;
-- Ks can work w/pivot depth better short term than backliner depth


So NO, I will not get it out of my head as to Ks not trading Byfield.
I have above rebuffed your false narrative and you will consider yourself repudiated. The competition of ideas will continue, not be stifled.

I'm not "close minded", I just live in a world that revolves around reality and not fantasy.

Schneider right now is a 3rd pairing defenseman. Quinn is a cost controlled evolving 22 year old center. There's no "false narrative". Want Byfield? Fox is part of that deal, not Schneider.

Your trade proposals are consistently unrealistic. Even above, "Kopitar exit" acknowledges that LA will be losing a HOF center pretty soon and they're going to trade the guy replacing him? It's nonsense.

There's nothing to "repudiate". It's a lazy dogshit trade proposal that will never happen.

Learn w/da Bern my ass.

 

[haohmaru]

Quentin Byfield: career high 55 points, 19 G 47 points this year. Worth a 1D

Alexis Lafreniere: career high 57 points, 16 G 43 points this year. Worth trash

NYR fan logic

Edit: not directed at you. More general

Personally, I'm not giving up on Lafreniere but, really, TODAY which player would you rather have?

The 6' 5" 22 year old center scoring 50+ points with a career ~56 CF% or the 23 year old LW that you have multiple replacements for already?

Would LA trade Byfield straight up for LaFreniere? No.

 

[haohmaru]

I mean points wise, he's having a worse year than last year.

It's close. More even strength points this year.

If it were 2020 and you could redraft who would you take? Byfield or Lafreniere?

 

[bernmeister]

I'm not "close minded", I just live in a world that revolves around reality and not fantasy.

Schneider right now is a 3rd pairing defenseman. Quinn is a cost controlled evolving 22 year old center. There's no "false narrative". Want Byfield? Fox is part of that deal, not Schneider.

Your trade proposals are consistently unrealistic. Even above, "Kopitar exit" acknowledges that LA will be losing a HOF center pretty soon and they're going to trade the guy replacing him? It's nonsense.

There's nothing to "repudiate". It's a lazy dogshit trade proposal that will never happen.

Learn w/da Bern my ass.

Schneider is not a career 3rd pair guy.
He has upside.
And that aside, RDs current command more due to supply + demand

Schneid IS closer in terms of age + $$ which is a consideration.
Fox is only good MAYBE if Ks want to go win now, and peeps are seeing bern is right, that is a failed approach, so now, THAT is the unrealistic move.

My prop is mostly youth for youth.
Zib is involved, but at max retained, so it skews favorably for them

You continue to IGNORE, so I will repeat until it sinks in.
Ks have BOTH lack of depth with pivot AND also at RD

The premise here is dealing w/RD now w/Schneider is better than other options, even at cost of moving Quentin, not Quinn, and esp if Gavrikov may be out.

"Learn w/da Bern my ass."
Your ass like your brain apparently leaves much to be desired

 

[haohmaru]

Schneider is not a career 3rd pair guy.
He has upside.
And that aside, RDs current command more due to supply + demand

Schneid IS closer in terms of age + $$ which is a consideration.
Fox is only good MAYBE if Ks want to go win now, and peeps are seeing bern is right, that is a failed approach, so now, THAT is the unrealistic move.

My prop is mostly youth for youth.
Zib is involved, but at max retained, so it skews favorably for them

You continue to IGNORE, so I will repeat until it sinks in.
Ks have BOTH lack of depth with pivot AND also at RD

The premise here is dealing w/RD now w/Schneider is better than other options, even at cost of moving Quentin, not Quinn, and esp if Gavrikov may be out.

"Learn w/da Bern my ass."
Your ass like your brain apparently leaves much to be desired

Trading Byfield makes no sense for the Kings if they aren't getting a Center back especially with Kopitar nearing the end of his career.

Start there before you start talking about "brains".

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No way he takes 7x3. Maybe 7.5x5 but most likely 9x4 or something like that. He’s coming down 2.5M and is still over a PPG. The cap is going up. He won’t take 7

Then he can F off.

 

[NickyFotiu]

He was handpicked by Sather. And The Dolt fired Gorts and JD in order for him to ascend to the top. After Sather, he's the next "yes man" in line that won't give The Dolt any lip.

Are you saying Slats was a yes man? Never heard that before.

 

[effen]

Are you saying Slats was a yes man? Never heard that before.

Calling Glen Sather a yes man is quite the take.

 

[majordomo]

Are you saying Slats was a yes man? Never heard that before.

Of course he was....how else could someone do such a bad job, not get fired and eventually promoted?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Of course he was....how else could someone do such a bad job, not get fired and eventually promoted?

Slats was a pretty ornery guy. I don't think anyone that he coached or worked with has ever given me the impression he was a yes man.

 

[majordomo]

Slats was a pretty ornery guy. I don't think anyone that he coached or worked with has ever given me the impression he was a yes man.

Bet he was sweet as pie when it came to dealing with Dolan.

 

[bernmeister]

Trading Byfield makes no sense for the Kings if they aren't getting a Center back especially with Kopitar nearing the end of his career.

Start there before you start talking about "brains".

snarky and obtuse is not a good combo bro.

I have emphasized there is a premise here about K need to deal w/D-RD issue more pressing than C issue. This is a subjective opinion. It may/may not be correct. And you have a right to dispute that my premise holds. You may/may not be correct on that.

It is a discussion.

You allude to rejecting the premise b'c Byfield. Fine.
But you continue to ignore, despite my calling it out specifically, that currently replacement for Doughty >>>>>>> replacement for Kopitar.

That is the real crux of what should be debated.

Instead, you look only at a single piece of the equation.

Do some homework and defend your counter-premise.

In the meantime, consider your snarkiness rebuffed

 

[I Eat Crow]

K'Andre Miller: gone
Chris Kreider: gone
Mika Zibanejad: shoot into the sun
Artemi Panarin: trade to highest bidder. Tell him we're rebuilding and giving the ice time to the kids
Carson Soucy: shoot into the sun

Sign a LHD or two to vet minimum to eat minutes because there's literally no one to play the position besides Vaakanainen and Jones

Give 2025 1st to Pittsburgh. 2026's 1st is going to be higher.

 

[bl02]

K'Andre Miller: gone
Chris Kreider: gone
Mika Zibanejad: shoot into the sun
Artemi Panarin: trade to highest bidder. Tell him we're rebuilding and giving the ice time to the kids
Carson Soucy: shoot into the sun

Sign a LHD or two to vet minimum to eat minutes because there's literally no one to play the position besides Vaakanainen and Jones

Give 2025 1st to Pittsburgh. 2026's 1st is going to be higher.

that is why the Miller trade was no bueno he wasn't gonna make CK and 93 suddenly try harder.
Even with Chytil being probably gone for a long time still a bad trade.

 

[I Eat Crow]

that is why the Miller trade was no bueno he wasn't gonna make CK and 93 suddenly try harder.
Even with Chytil being probably gone for a long time still a bad trade.

I mean, you need warm bodies to eat minutes and get to the cap floor. That's all I can say about that.

 

[Hockeyplayer99]

Highest Goals Expected Against in the league
3rd highest Goals Save Above Expected
Highest High Danger chances against in the league.

Goaltending isn't the issue. The team in front of him and the coach is.

Outplayed again in New Jersey. 3 goals on 15 shots. We didn’t score but allowing 3 goals on 15 shots doesn’t help. I would say goaltending is an issue except when quick plays.

 

[McRanger92]

The team cannot defend. And offensively their top players are allergic to contact and shooting the puck. Good combo lol

 

[mrhockey193195]

Bet he was sweet as pie when it came to dealing with Dolan.

Slat was not a yes man to Dolan. In fact, he was the only f***ing person in this entire organization who could say no to him. Dolan idolized Sather, and Slats took advantage of that to make sure Dolan's grimy hands were kept away from the team and the culture. Say what you will about Slats as a GM (I've criticized him plenty over the last 25 years) but he's the single biggest reason why we were able to build a solid culture across players, staff, and front office from 05 until ~2020. The moment Slats left and the moment Dolan jettisoned JD and Gorton to put that snake Drury in charge is the moment this organization got turned upside down.

 

[cheech70]

I think Brandon should play with Fox as 1LD and then trade Kam or vise versa. Kreider plus maybe our 10OA and Kam to acquire a stud center