Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[Alluckks]

Really the Rangers just need an offensive playmaker that Zib was supposed to continue being for this team. Even with his mini-resurgence, Zib is moreso a passenger that collects points rather than a creator.

Rumors around Peterka and Zegres shows Drury wants a young playmaker kind of guy. Willing to sacrifice someone that doesn't have a complete game to just surround them with good responsible wings like Cuylle.

Something around Schneider for Zegres or Peterka? Assume that the Rangers move Kreider but can't find a way to move on from Zib just yet.

Someone like Rossi could also be a target for there. Lots of rumblings that Guerrin in Minny wants to move on from him, doesn't see him as a key piece for the future of the team he wants there.

Perreault Miller Laf
Panarin Trocheck Othmann
Cuylle Zegres Zib

Feels like it lacks punch if Trocheck continues his moreso middling play (which, is fine, it is reflective of his cap hit)

If Zib could be moved in a Trouba-like trade then signing someone like Bennett would certainly be interesting. Would be like those mid 2010s teams that had good center depth but not top end talent there.

Perreault Miller Laf
Panarin Bennett Peterka
Cuylle Trocheck Othmann

If Edstrom can play center then I have to think you look at moving Carrick in a trade for good value. Teams like him, he is a good vet, and has a good deal right now. Could make him an enticing piece in a package, especially for a team like Buffalo that has a hard time attracting free agents and they need good vet help.

Rempe Edstrom Berard is a very solid 4th line

 

[mike14]

The problem is we have 2 “good linemates” for young players and like 5 young players who need good linemates

The other problem is that Holloway apparently got given an extra 10 pts just for existing, and the Rangers never get breaks like that...

 

[Matt Rentfree]

One NHL scout who watched the game remarked that Perreault, who had three shots in 13:38 of ice time, makes offensive plays you can’t teach. The 19-year-old’s new teammates agreed.

“That caliber of player, there’s not that many of them,” linemate Lafrenière said.

"I guess I can't stand around with my thumb up my butt, staring off into the middle distance when I'm on the ice with him" he added, when asked why he went ass over tea kettle when Perrault passed the puck to him.

 

[TGWL]

Dylan Holloway. 26 goals. 37 assists. 73 points. I remember reading an article at The Athletic by Jeremy Rutherford at the beginning of the season. He spoke to an NHL scout who compared Holloway to Blake Coleman. I like Coleman. Really top notch role player. He was good with Jersey and was a key player for TB in their two Cup victories. Holloway has taken off his season. He suffered a very serious wrist injury at Wisconsin and there was a long recovery period. He couldn’t take face-offs. Two surgeries on the wrist.

Holloway has played most of his minutes with Brayden Schenn and Jordan Kyrou.

Jake Neighbours. 21 goals. 23 assists. 44 points. He had 27 goals last season. Neighbours has played most of his minutes with Robert Thomas and Pavel Buchnevich.

How do the Rangers get Will Cuylle and Brennan Othmann to be the Rangers version of Holloway and Neighbours?

Holloway has 6 PPG and 13 PPP.

Cuylle has 2 PPG and 3 PPP. Cuylle has 2 SHG and 3 SHP. 18 goals and 39 points. Cuylle has played nearly 300 minutes with Zibanejad. Cuylle played major minutes with Chytil and Kakko. Both of them were traded. The Rangers give Cuylle better line mates and those numbers should improve.

Both of those players were 1st round picks. The skill level between them and Cuylle was pretty big. They were all in the same draft class. I know Cuylle has surprised a lot of people and brings some things to our lineup that we were missing, but I think fans need to take a step back on what they expect from him. Dylan was pretty much ranked anywhere from 11-16. He went 14th. His skating is top notch.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The other problem is that Holloway apparently got given an extra 10 pts just for existing, and the Rangers never get breaks like that...

Yeah, although St Louis may lack top end talent they actually play real NHL style hockey , that’s another big difference

 

[bhamill]

I don't recall: were any of the players upset over the Drury/Kravtsov "run in". Did I miss where his teammates took exception and decided to dog it or asked to be traded because the GM criticized a player?

Not that I heard. It was when Drury wasn’t the NYR GM, assistant I think, and GM of Hartford.

 

[fm]

who was the 'second player' that drury allegedly lit up? lias?

 

[mike14]

Both of those players were 1st round picks. The skill level between them and Cuylle was pretty big. They were all in the same draft class. I know Cuylle has surprised a lot of people and brings some things to our lineup that we were missing, but I think fans need to take a step back on what they expect from him. Dylan was pretty much ranked anywhere from 11-16. He went 14th. His skating is top notch.

And we 'found' Miller (who will end up with around 10 or so less pts in his 23 y/o season), and Kreider (and the Blues pray that Holloway can have 20+ goal seasons) around the same spot. And we 'found' Chytil who was tracking similar except for the injuries (which weren't flagged by anyone pre draft). And we 'found' Buch, granted, it took until his 24 y/o season to start putting up points...

We find guys like this a bit; we just don't find, or develop, 'superstars' who push up into that 80+ point area

 

[majordomo]

Not that I heard. It was when Drury wasn’t the NYR GM, assistant I think, and GM of Hartford.

My post was a sarcastic companion to yours.....

 

[bhamill]

My post was a sarcastic companion to yours.....

Ah. Long day, bud. Sorry. Hahaha.

 

[UnparalledPark]

You could have stopped at “Trouba was checked out.” It doesn’t matter what someone said about him or if someone wanted to trade him. HE checked out. HIS decision. You not liking the GM doesn’t mean the players aren’t responsible for the things they do. And yeah, pouting and giving up because your thought your boss was a dick proves the country club attitude of some of these guys.

Obviously dumping on Laf has been the move this year, but you’d have to be pretty simple to not see that the pass getting tipped behind him by the defender is what caught him off balance

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In terms of dumping on Rangers players this year, Laf doesn’t even make the top 10.

 

[majordomo]

Ah. Long day, bud. Sorry. Hahaha.

I understand completely.

 

[Savant]

Really the Rangers just need an offensive playmaker that Zib was supposed to continue being for this team. Even with his mini-resurgence, Zib is moreso a passenger that collects points rather than a creator.

Rumors around Peterka and Zegres shows Drury wants a young playmaker kind of guy. Willing to sacrifice someone that doesn't have a complete game to just surround them with good responsible wings like Cuylle.

Something around Schneider for Zegres or Peterka? Assume that the Rangers move Kreider but can't find a way to move on from Zib just yet.

I get why people would want to do this but the last thing the Rangers need to do is downgrade their defense. I’m not trading Schneider for a forward; especially a winger. I just don’t think the Rangers can make that move. They need to upgrade the defense not downgrade it. You upgrade the D by moving everyone (except Fox) down a pairing

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Both of those players were 1st round picks. The skill level between them and Cuylle was pretty big. They were all in the same draft class. I know Cuylle has surprised a lot of people and brings some things to our lineup that we were missing, but I think fans need to take a step back on what they expect from him. Dylan was pretty much ranked anywhere from 11-16. He went 14th. His skating is top notch.

the gap between the 14th player and the 60th player in a draft is a lot smaller than you think. Not to mention that it literally doesn’t matter at this point. Cuylle has shown enough tools to think he can put up 25+ goals and 50+ points some time very soon. If he was getting consistent PP time he’d probably already be there

 

[Guyute]

who was the 'second player' that drury allegedly lit up? lias?

Yes, Lias and Kravtsov. Both of them turned out to be softies despite their draft pedigree.

 

[n8]

I’d welcome back Panarin after next year. Need to stay reasonably short term but he’s still a terrific player. I also think he learned a lot the past year or so and has come out a better player mentally. If he’s on a line with two high motor guys he’ll be very valuable into the foreseeable future.

He is using his body to protect and battle for the puck a lot more this season. He just needs to resign for short term AND absolutely NO NMC or NO NTC. I'd give him a 15, maybe 20 team L-NTC.

 

[RangerBoy]

Cuylle may be the only Ranger who can fairly claim he's having a better season than he did the year prior, with plenty of evidence to back that claim up.

In his second full NHL season, he leads the team with 79 individual high-danger scoring chances at five-on-five, according to Natural Stat Trick, and is tied for second with 14 goals at 5v5 − despite logging over 160 minutes less than the players with the same tally.

Factor in being one of the few New York forwards who rates as a plus on the forecheck and defensively, as well as his increased usage on the penalty kill this season − where his 7.09 xGA/60 ranks first among the team's regular PK forwards − and you have what Cuylle described as "a well-rounded game."

"You can't kill guys every game," he said following Friday's practice at the MSG Training Center. "The majority of hits are right after a guy passes it, or it's at his feet, and just trying to finish guys on the forecheck. It's more like disrupting plays and trying to get turnovers from them, too. Most of them aren't big and flashy and make the highlights, but they lead to turnovers, and they definitely wear D-men down. You could ask the D – going back when a guy dumps a puck in, they don't want to get hit four, five, six times a night by one guy that's coming in heavy. It definitely adds up, especially in playoff series. By Game 5, 6, 7, I wouldn’t want to get hit anymore."

This player has more to give and it's up to the Rangers to put him in the best position for him to succeed.

The hits don't have to big hits. Keep rubbing out the opposing players by finishing every check and it adds up over a 6-7 game playoff series. Hockey is a very simple sport.

 

[bernmeister]

debbie downers on this board need to give Schneid mo props....

How Braden Schneider is emerging as young leader, core piece for Rangers - Forever Blueshirts

Breaking down why Braden Schneider is emerging as leader among younger New York Rangers players.

www.foreverblueshirts.com

 

[bernmeister]

I get why people would want to do this but the last thing the Rangers need to do is downgrade their defense. I’m not trading Schneider for a forward; especially a winger. I just don’t think the Rangers can make that move. They need to upgrade the defense not downgrade it. You upgrade the D by moving everyone (except Fox) down a pairing

Agree as to a rule; exception to the rule: Schneid + for Byfield +

 

[haohmaru]

Agree as to a rule; exception to the rule: Schneid + for Byfield +

The Kings are not trading Byfield. Get it out of your head. He's a TWENTY TWO year old center on a great contract for the next 3+ years, the team loves him and he's getting better every year. It's not happening. The Kings aren't idiots.

 

[UnparalledPark]

He is using his body to protect and battle for the puck a lot more this season. He just needs to resign for short term AND absolutely NO NMC or NO NTC. I'd give him a 15, maybe 20 team L-NTC.

My guess is Bread will settle for a 5 year NMC contract for between 9 and 10 mil. His leverage being he will just leave next year with the Rangers not getting any compensation. At that point they sit down this summer and find a suitable trade partner that will meet his requirements. I’m sure NMC is more important to him than the money, but not by much.

 

[eco's bones]

Cuylle is still really young. He should get better. Already getting pk minutes. If there's anyone else on the Rangers who could potentially replace Kreider as the net front presence on the power play it's him. A North South player---good away from the puck....our best forechecker and it shows in the number of hits he makes. Rempe and Edstrom probably come right after---they're both North South too.

I also think that Schneider has had a good year. Not really that many brain farts. There were times early in the year when he and Jones were our best defense pair. Late in the year he and Vaakanainen are the pair least likely to get burned or do something stupid. Schneider has also made the 20 point mark for the first time. He plays a physical game almost all the time and he doesn't take many penalties. In some ways he's a better skating version of a young Dan Girardi.

 

[Savant]

Agree as to a rule; exception to the rule: Schneid + for Byfield +

Only if we can play Byfield at center

 

[Drew4u]

The Kings are not trading Byfield. Get it out of your head. He's a TWENTY TWO year old center on a great contract for the next 3+ years, the team loves him and he's getting better every year. It's not happening. The Kings aren't idiots.

I mean points wise, he's having a worse year than last year.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

He is using his body to protect and battle for the puck a lot more this season. He just needs to resign for short term AND absolutely NO NMC or NO NTC. I'd give him a 15, maybe 20 team L-NTC.

If by this season you mean last game then yes. If he played like that all the time he'd be universally loved here but thats an exhausting/taxing way to play.

I'd offer him 7 mill a year max and if he wants a penny more he can f*** off. If he really wants to stay, he can do so at a relatively significant discount and pay the team back for being a failure when its mattered.

I can't stand his style, but at a certain point it'd be stupid not to bring him back (and 7x3 would be that point.) Even if he continues to suck in the playoffs, at that rate he isn't binding your cap and you still do need people to get you through 82 and over 82 he's objectively been very good (or at least, very productive.)