Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

Wouldnt have to go very far geographically, connections to some current flyers. Philly probably wants to take the next step and could use a veteran scorer to take the pressure off Michkov. And Chris can stick it t the evil Rangers for asking him to play harder. Makes sense to me.
I was looking for the “mostly like” symbol. LOL
 
IMO I expect one of the vets to be moved. Most likely Kreider.

I expect a new head coach.

I expect a top4LHD and possibly another top6 forward.

hopeful part is if we win the lotto and/or a GOOD player forces his way here.
 
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Except there’s nothing to benefit the Kings. Byfield is the Kopitar replacement and has been out playing him lately. Dvorak is a LD, which the Kings are short on, he’s a no-go. The Kings FO are very high on Helenius, he’s not available.

There is nothing you’re offering that will get the Kings to move off of their young players.

If you were a Kings fan, would you accept that trade? Of course not.

sorry to be so late on courtesy reply, have been time crushed in the real world...

As I explained,
"Like I've said
Ks are legit concerned, no righty shot RD depth
Doughty, wheels could fall off overnight
they are keeping Clarke, Spence

Schneider is a premium get
ad zib at half = immediate useful RW, depth pivot

throw in Jones, useful depth D playing either side"
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I believe that is an honest attempt at a deal working for both sides
and yes,
"If I [you] were a Kings fan, would you accept that trade?"
yes I would

just like if I were on the other side, I might seek a still better offer, which I'm willing to discuss.
but it boils down to an honest dif of opinion on priorities based on certain assumptions based on what is being bandied about.

Let's attempt some objective measure of the +s and -s for LA.

So the biggest losses here for LA are at pivot w/size. This is mitigated to some extent by adding Zib who can play C, but I think he is showing better results as a scoring RW, so yes, we don't ignore Zib at pivot, but we say there both stopgap and contingency.

Yes, we know Kopitar has said he is inclined to hang them up after next season, and whether or not he would be willing to go a little bit further to give LA depth would likely be based on how much he has left in the tank. I think a reasonable person agrees if everything doesn't entirely come apart immediately he signs another year for less $$ to take a lesser role.
Kopitar can likely function top line or lower as a stopgap.

Obv we start w/Byfield. Adding gasoline to the fire is Helenius, a bottom half C who shows upside.
So you will need to come up w/a solution there.

But here is where I ask you to recognize that is not LA's only problem in a vacuum.
A bigger problem is lack of actual righty RD depth
That is such an immediate concern it has torpedoed moving Clarke or Spence for help.
IF IF IF we could believe Doughty was 111% gonna keep it together, then less so.
But that can only be a hope not a legit belief.

Then on top of that, you have to be concerned Gavrikov isn't gonna walk b'c you haven't/weren't able to offer a higher end deal as he hits ufa.

So adding quality D, esp a quality RD, is paramount.

I put Schneider on the table. He's 23, helps w/youth and is at a meager 2.2m thru next season, plenty of time to extend

I also put in Zib AT HALF, MAX RETAINED. That helps ginormously w/immediate cap mgmt

I don't think you accurately took all that into account.

That said, I have decided to redo this w/conditional sweeteners
I'll present it as 1 large package but it can be broken up into 2 or more deals if needed.

A) Ks give Rs right to talk w/Gavrikov in advance of his hitting ufa.
We reach a deal, likely 9 x 4, which we will live with overpaying short term in case his wheels fall off as he approaches mid 30s
In exchange, I will add KAM
KAM is 25, 4 yrs younger, and rfa, and w/Byfield $$ getting moved, I see him biting for 5.75 x 8.
KAM is also taller, 6'5 compared to 6'3
other than Gav being more polished now, there is no reason to take Gav over KAM
so, take the deal
extend KAM + Schneid long term
and juggle your way on the pivot situation, which is doable short term, and with Doughty and Kopitar $$$$ easing off the books, you should be able to repurpose those $$$ into useful Cs

B) I'll sweeten the offer w/prospect Cs Sykora, BMB (Bryce McConnell Barker) and Laba. If memory serves that's a 2nd, 3rd, + 4th round selection.
These are not high end prospects, but they look like contenders once fully marinated for middle lines.
Take all 3, all elc or rights to.
Not gonna make big club next yr, but in the mix and fits timeline for addressing C depth ->means guys at 2nd/3rd line can try and move up 1
I'll work around and advance others.


So, revised offer, presuming Gav takes 9 x 4, no nmcs, decent ntcs:
Byfield
Gavrikov
Dvorak
Helenius
for
Schneider
KAM
Zib at half
Sykora, BMB (Bryce McConnell Barker) and Laba


thoughts....
 
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No, I'm suggesting you are stating an opinion that has no basis in reality.

You're welcome to hold that opinion, just as the rest of us are welcome to call you crazy for espousing that opinion.

Boo Nieves has a better chance of being a 1C than Drury giving up the 1st overall pick.
I don't have a prob w/this given Boo w/his 4 concussions we are aware of is retired, so no chance he returns as a player in any capacity; and Drury will not give up a sufficiently high pick this yr to PIT to satisfy the condition of that trade if luck out and get such a high pick

Don't rile up you know who.
too late
 
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So, revised offer, presuming Gav takes 9 x 4, no nmcs, decent ntcs:
Byfield
Gavrikov
Dvorak
Helenius
for
Schneider
KAM
Zib at half
Sykora, BMB (Bryce McConnell Barker) and Laba


thoughts....

Thoughts? Another completely out to lunch trade proposal with, let’s see, 10 players changing addresses.

Thoughts? It positively ludicrous. As usual.
 
Thoughts? Another completely out to lunch trade proposal with, let’s see, 10 players changing addresses.

Thoughts? It positively ludicrous. As usual.
Another disingenuous comment attempting a swipe w/o substantiation. Per usual.

Yeah, it's a large # of players switching sides, but that's IRRELEVANT
I specifically said
"I'll present it as 1 large package but it can be broken up into 2 or more deals if needed."

the core premise of this works
LA is better off doing this to address its defense
NY is better off doing this as well

jtm, byfield, Cuylle, Tro, Carrick, Brodz, Edstrom Helenius Rempe, Othmann
all keepers
we are likely keeping Gabe P + LaF
Kreider likely long time LTIR
Berard trade to CHI for profit
trade bread max retained to DAL for Bischel +
open a slot for Roobroeck, Chmelar
consider trade Shesty, Fox, if overpay merits
 
sorry to be so late on courtesy reply, have been time crushed in the real world...

As I explained,
"Like I've said
Ks are legit concerned, no righty shot RD depth
Doughty, wheels could fall off overnight
they are keeping Clarke, Spence

Schneider is a premium get
ad zib at half = immediate useful RW, depth pivot

throw in Jones, useful depth D playing either side"
-----
I believe that is an honest attempt at a deal working for both sides
and yes,
"If I [you] were a Kings fan, would you accept that trade?"
yes I would

just like if I were on the other side, I might seek a still better offer, which I'm willing to discuss.
but it boils down to an honest dif of opinion on priorities based on certain assumptions based on what is being bandied about.

Let's attempt some objective measure of the +s and -s for LA.

So the biggest losses here for LA are at pivot w/size. This is mitigated to some extent by adding Zib who can play C, but I think he is showing better results as a scoring RW, so yes, we don't ignore Zib at pivot, but we say there both stopgap and contingency.

Yes, we know Kopitar has said he is inclined to hang them up after next season, and whether or not he would be willing to go a little bit further to give LA depth would likely be based on how much he has left in the tank. I think a reasonable person agrees if everything doesn't entirely come apart immediately he signs another year for less $$ to take a lesser role.
Kopitar can likely function top line or lower as a stopgap.

Obv we start w/Byfield. Adding gasoline to the fire is Helenius, a bottom half C who shows upside.
So you will need to come up w/a solution there.

But here is where I ask you to recognize that is not LA's only problem in a vacuum.
A bigger problem is lack of actual righty RD depth
That is such an immediate concern it has torpedoed moving Clarke or Spence for help.
IF IF IF we could believe Doughty was 111% gonna keep it together, then less so.
But that can only be a hope not a legit belief.

Then on top of that, you have to be concerned Gavrikov isn't gonna walk b'c you haven't/weren't able to offer a higher end deal as he hits ufa.

So adding quality D, esp a quality RD, is paramount.

I put Schneider on the table. He's 23, helps w/youth and is at a meager 2.2m thru next season, plenty of time to extend

I also put in Zib AT HALF, MAX RETAINED. That helps ginormously w/immediate cap mgmt

I don't think you accurately took all that into account.

That said, I have decided to redo this w/conditional sweeteners
I'll present it as 1 large package but it can be broken up into 2 or more deals if needed.

A) Ks give Rs right to talk w/Gavrikov in advance of his hitting ufa.
We reach a deal, likely 9 x 4, which we will live with overpaying short term in case his wheels fall off as he approaches mid 30s
In exchange, I will add KAM
KAM is 25, 4 yrs younger, and rfa, and w/Byfield $$ getting moved, I see him biting for 5.75 x 8.
KAM is also taller, 6'5 compared to 6'3
other than Gav being more polished now, there is no reason to take Gav over KAM
so, take the deal
extend KAM + Schneid long term
and juggle your way on the pivot situation, which is doable short term, and with Doughty and Kopitar $$$$ easing off the books, you should be able to repurpose those $$$ into useful Cs

B) I'll sweeten the offer w/prospect Cs Sykora, BMB (Bryce McConnell Barker) and Laba. If memory serves that's a 2nd, 3rd, + 4th round selection.
These are not high end prospects, but they look like contenders once fully marinated for middle lines.
Take all 3, all elc or rights to.
Not gonna make big club next yr, but in the mix and fits timeline for addressing C depth ->means guys at 2nd/3rd line can try and move up 1
I'll work around and advance others.


So, revised offer, presuming Gav takes 9 x 4, no nmcs, decent ntcs:
Byfield
Gavrikov
Dvorak
Helenius
for
Schneider
KAM
Zib at half
Sykora, BMB (Bryce McConnell Barker) and Laba


thoughts....
So, I’ll keep it short since logic doesn’t seem to get through, no. There is zero chance the Kings would gut their future for that kind of return. If the Kings made that return available, most other teams would blow that out of the water.
 
There is no logical reason why Chris Drury should be retained. None. If you think he should be kept, you're ignoring the fundamental flaws of this organization. Drury has absolutely destroyed this team and its culture.
Not that i disagree he should be gone. But the culture was crap before he got here too. The culture has been crap for a while.

And the team won while playing bad. There were alot of flaws and we were relying on guys over 30.

Drury certainly didnt help the situation. But alot of the suck right now is players brought in from Gorton.
 
The blackhawks rebuild is what I thought we were going to have. They have some awesome pieces. Going to be really good in a couple years and for awhile
 
I don't know if any are first line players but all of a sudden NYR do have a lot of young forwards getting some ice time. Gabe, Laff, Will, Oth, and Berard tonight. Before injury you could add Rempe and Edstrom to that mix.
Problem is how many are top talent 1st liners? Maybe Laf makes the jump and so does Gabe in a couple years. None of them are centers and that’s an optimistic best case scenario on how they project out.

Everyone else is a middle / bottom six tweeter.
 
IMO I expect one of the vets to be moved. Most likely Kreider.

I expect a new head coach.

I expect a top4LHD and possibly another top6 forward.

hopeful part is if we win the lotto and/or a GOOD player forces his way here.
Think this is right. Kreider goes somewhere he wants to go for a pick and a prospect or something like that. There's not much in UFA so i think Drury makes a trade or trades for someone to play with Fox and a high motor top six forward.
Personally, i'd have KMiller and Laf on the table but they might not have much value now.
Mika i'd be happy to trade but he's untradeable.
Soucy i guess we're stuck with but he can be the 7D i guess. I still hope Jones gets to be a regular but actions speak louder than words, he appears not to be in Drury's plans.
I love the bottom sixers we have now and JTM, Tro, Panarin, Perreault (maybe), Cuylle, Othmann are all fine.
 
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I don't know if any are first line players but all of a sudden NYR do have a lot of young forwards getting some ice time. Gabe, Laff, Will, Oth, and Berard tonight. Before injury you could add Rempe and Edstrom to that mix.
When the team was sucking at the beginning of the year the games were brutal to watch. Told my wife that I was hoping by the end of the year we would have jettisoned various players and give the kids a real shot. IDGAF if we win or lose these days, prefer we lose since we're not making noise this year, but really enjoying watching these kids grow. Ignoring the giant whiffs on our 1&2 OA's - the team did some good work finding these guys.

Would be nice if they could find a semi-stud D somewhere. I just don't think Schneider is it. Miller has looked better in the second half but also probably not it and getting older.
 
When the team was sucking at the beginning of the year the games were brutal to watch. Told my wife that I was hoping by the end of the year we would have jettisoned various players and give the kids a real shot. IDGAF if we win or lose these days, prefer we lose since we're not making noise this year, but really enjoying watching these kids grow. Ignoring the giant whiffs on our 1&2 OA's - the team did some good work finding these guys.

Would be nice if they could find a semi-stud D somewhere. I just don't think Schneider is it. Miller has looked better in the second half but also probably not it and getting older.

The thing about this is that every team in the league, were they in our position, would've drafted the same way.

Just really bad luck. :(
 
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There is no logical reason why Chris Drury should be retained. None. If you think he should be kept, you're ignoring the fundamental flaws of this organization. Drury has absolutely destroyed this team and its culture.
The culture was destroyed by the players. The players hate drury because he is trying to destroy their country club, hence why kreider and company cried a river when goodrow and trouba were traded and to an extent jim ramsey’s firing.

Drury should absolutely be here through the summer to finish the job and ship out these loser players.

The worst thing we could have happen is we get s new GM that caters to these vets, then you will see nothing change next season.
 

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