Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[AirGut]

Is there even a single coach available this summer that will help the franchise more than Lavi? Don't think so. We're basically waiting for something to fall out of the sky at this point.

Imo I'd can Lavi and see what there is with Peca because if it's not with NYR he's gonna go elsewhere to find a starting gig.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Ottawa and Columbus are playing three times in the next few weeks. Those points will be distributed in the playoff race. Ottawa lost to Buffalo last night. Those two points for Buffalo are meaningless. In the three Ottawa-Columbus games, those points will factor into the playoff race. The Columbus-Islanders game. Two points for Columbus. One point for the Islanders. I thought Columbus was a near lock after they beat Detroit in back to back games. They have won two games in the last three weeks. Columbus is getting healthier. Boone Jenner returned a few weeks ago. Sean Monahan returned against the Islanders.

San Jose takes Matthew Schaefer

The Rangers select Michael Misa of the Saginaw Spirit from the Ontario Hockey League

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We pick 2nd and we get the center version of Kakko. Schnaapo Schnakko is his name.

 

[Machinehead]

Is there even a single coach available this summer that will help the franchise more than Lavi? Don't think so. We're basically waiting for something to fall out of the sky at this point.

Imo I'd can Lavi and see what there is with Peca because if it's not with NYR he's gonna go elsewhere to find a starting gig.

I don't get the fascination with Peca. He's on the staff now and the team eats an entire ass.

It feels like when we got rid of Gorton so his AGM could take over and coddle the same old favorites.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Sorry, but Panarin cares more about his cookies than he cares about winning. Dude is the epitome of what it means to be a selfish, one-dimensional, high-risk wingers. I'd still rather have him than Mika or Kreider.

Disagree, Panarin is trying, he's working hard and one of the only guy creating anything offensively on this team. One of the last guys to complain about, he's using his skill set as best he can amongst a group that can't break the puck out or create anything offensively without him. He's alone, and easy to double team as no other team is worried about his linemates. Drop him on any decent team and he's in top 5 scoring. If you are expecting him to be Bergeron or Datsyuk you're expectations are out of wack because that's never been how he plays. He's 26 points ahead of our next forward, it's insane people pick him to dump on, theres a team full of underperformimg players to pick from.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I don't get the fascination with Peca. He's on the staff now and the team eats an entire ass.

It feels like when we got rid of Gorton so his AGM could take over and coddle the same old favorites.

They should have taken the coach, and assistants from Hartford a couple months ago and let them do it til years end and see how it goes. If it was favorable keep them if not get someone else.

 

[Guyute]

Disagree, Panarin is trying, he's working hard and one of the only guy creating anything offensively on this team. One of the last guys to complain about, he's using his skill set as best he can amongst a group that can't break the puck out or create anything offensively without him. He's alone, and easy to double team as no other team is worried about his linemates. Drop him on any decent team and he's in top 5 scoring. If you are expecting him to be Bergeron or Datsyuk you're expectations are out of wack because that's never been how he plays. He's 26 points ahead of our next forward, it's insane people pick him to dump on, theres a team full of underperformimg players to pick from.

Yes, he works hard. He wins board battles and is a dog on the puck. I commend him for that. He's also far too careless with the puck. He had a few more turnovers last night in horrible spots that could have been goals against. His carelessness with the puck and stubbornness to change in anyway make it seem like he cares more about his point total than the team's point total.

 

[NYR Viper]

The thing with Panarin is not literally who scores the goals (BTW the answer is nobody, we're not getting a 100 point player this summer).

It's where we're getting a Cup-winning #1 forward from.

You talk about going from Jagr to Zherdev like that isn't a flag so red that the US invaded it.

We're really bad right now and I feel like there's a lot of desire to just recreate what was mediocre.

Building a solid foundation of grinders but then just buying whatever high-end talent doesn't get locked up is what we've done for generations. How many Cups did it win?

All of this teams ailments won't be solved in one off-season. I think they need to make the changes they can, acquire some assets, and wait. Good players become available for various reasons every season. The team doesn't have the assets necessary to make those deals now, nor do they have the cap space. They could rectify their depth, while adding the pieces they would need in that potential scenario.

Trade Panarin
Trade Kreider
Sign a good LD to help the group along

Play the young players. If there is a trade that makes sense, make it. Otherwise, just wait.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yes, he works hard. He wins board battles and is a dog on the puck. I commend him for that. He's also far too careless with the puck. He had a few more turnovers last night in horrible spots that could have been goals against. His carelessness with the puck and stubbornness to change in anyway make it seem like he cares more about his point total than the team's point total.

I'm amazed at people complaining about him while Trochek, Lafreniere, Kreider, Zibanejad, etc are all on this team, like it's comical. I'm far from a Panarin fan boy but he's bottom 3 of guys I'm blaming this on

 

[Guyute]

I'm amazed at people complaining about him while Trochek, Lafreniere, Kreider, Zibanejad, etc are all on this team, like it's comical. I'm far from a Panarin fan boy but he's bottom 3 of guys I'm blaming this on

It's ok we all complain about them too

 

[Machinehead]

All of this teams ailments won't be solved in one off-season. I think they need to make the changes they can, acquire some assets, and wait. Good players become available for various reasons every season. The team doesn't have the assets necessary to make those deals now, nor do they have the cap space. They could rectify their depth, while adding the pieces they would need in that potential scenario.

Trade Panarin
Trade Kreider
Sign a good LD to help the group along

Play the young players. If there is a trade that makes sense, make it. Otherwise, just wait.

I guess it's just semantics.

Like, pretty much everyone is saying get rid of Panarin and play the young guys, because like, who else are you gonna play? That part is fine.

For me, it's just a vibe of like, "yeah get rid of all the vets because they're cancer and then the team will be good." They're not gonna be good. Our crop of young players coming through is firmly in the bottom 10 of the league. They're literally all wingers (except maybe Laba) and only Gabe projects to really even be top six. And of course Cuylle, who is fine in the top six, and tbh I would stop at "fine."

I know everyone's response to rebuilding is "boogah boogah Buffalo!" but like, what alternative is there? This team is in dire shape. I think it's gonna be a longer road than people are anticipating.

And signing the next pseudo-star that doesn't get locked up and falls through the cracks isn't gonna be the answer when that inevitably becomes a thing.

The guys that fall through the cracks do so for a reason. Rantanen fell through the cracks and we're already seeing it's because he's not that good! The main guy that was traded for him is outscoring him since the trade.

People have brought up Eichel but even a 30 year old Eichel is not that exciting to me, unless you really think we're that one guy away from winning, and I don't think we will be.

We all agree the team is bad but I think it's being overlooked how bad the pipeline is.

 

[NYR Viper]

I guess it's just semantics.

Like, pretty much everyone is saying get rid of Panarin and play the young guys, because like, who else are you gonna play? That part is fine.

For me, it's just a vibe of like, "yeah get rid of all the vets because they're cancer and then the team will be good." They're not gonna be good. Our crop of young players coming through is firmly in the bottom 10 of the league. They're literally all wingers (except maybe Laba) and only Gabe projects to really even be top six. And of course Cuylle, who is fine in the top six, and tbh I would stop at "fine."

I know everyone's response to rebuilding is "boogah boogah Buffalo!" but like, what alternative is there? This team is in dire shape. I think it's gonna be a longer road than people are anticipating.

And signing the next pseudo-star that doesn't get locked up and falls through the cracks isn't gonna be the answer when that inevitably becomes a thing.

The guys that fall through the cracks do so for a reason. Rantanen fell through the cracks and we're already seeing it's because he's not that good! The main guy that was traded for him is outscoring him since the trade.

People have brought up Eichel but even a 30 year old Eichel is not that exciting to me, unless you really think we're that one guy away from winning, and I don't think we will be.

We all agree the team is bad but I think it's being overlooked how bad the pipeline is.

I do agree with this. I guess I'd be okay taking a step back to build a foundation and look for the right 1-2 pieces needed rather than blowing our load on just who is available...

 

[Machinehead]

I do agree with this. I guess I'd be okay taking a step back to build a foundation and look for the right 1-2 pieces needed rather than blowing our load on just who is available...

Yeah that's exactly what I'm going for.

I don't want to bring the 'good' Rangers back. I want to build something that's unrecognizable in Rangers history.

 

[eco's bones]

Desperately in need of points the Rangers are 1-4-0 in their last 5. Panarin 2-2-4, Trocheck 0-4-4, Fox 1-2-3, Jt 1-2-3, Kreider 1-0-1, Zibanejad 0-0-0. None of our big guns are producing enough----Zibanejad's disappeared again.

 

[TGWL]

Is there even a single coach available this summer that will help the franchise more than Lavi? Don't think so. We're basically waiting for something to fall out of the sky at this point.

Imo I'd can Lavi and see what there is with Peca because if it's not with NYR he's gonna go elsewhere to find a starting gig.

That depends on what coach is going to hold them accountable while also recognizing when things aren't working. Lavi should have canned Housley. Drury should have canned Phil Housley. Too many men penalties can't all happen because of the players. So what coach is going to take some accountability while also holding the players accountable?

Do I think a new coaching staff fixes all our mistakes? No, I don't. This team got way too comfortable. Every year it's the same exist interview. They want to play together. They want to be around each other. There's a lot more fixing than just the coaching staff. This is a really poorly constructed team right now. When Panarin is gone, can we look at this roster or near future and say we have 1 player that is worth 7m on the cap? That's a pretty big problem. Something needs to fall to us either through trade, free agency, or shiny penny on the ground luck that the other players suddenly become better players.

 

[bhamill]

Mika was the RW on that line on paper only. Lavi had them alternate playing C in a hybrid role.

Even if it was split 50/50 my point remains.

 

[TheTakedown]

They were sick of Gallant and Quinn. Maybe the players are too mentally weak and does not want to do what it takes to win. How many coaches can this core have? What is the record for most coaches with the same 4 core throughout a career? Maybe the players are not coachable anymore since they got paid.

That is the problem with the roster construction. We have good players, just a bad team... this is not a winning combination.

 

[TheTakedown]

Disagree, Panarin is trying, he's working hard and one of the only guy creating anything offensively on this team. One of the last guys to complain about, he's using his skill set as best he can amongst a group that can't break the puck out or create anything offensively without him. He's alone, and easy to double team as no other team is worried about his linemates. Drop him on any decent team and he's in top 5 scoring. If you are expecting him to be Bergeron or Datsyuk you're expectations are out of wack because that's never been how he plays. He's 26 points ahead of our next forward, it's insane people pick him to dump on, theres a team full of underperformimg players to pick from.

Agreed. Everyone keeps shitting on him but he's ragtagging a bunch of players that do not deserve NHL ice with the level of their play... The guy has had like 8 point streaks this year

 

[TheTakedown]

That depends on what coach is going to hold them accountable while also recognizing when things aren't working. Lavi should have canned Housley. Drury should have canned Phil Housley. Too many men penalties can't all happen because of the players. So what coach is going to take some accountability while also holding the players accountable?

Do I think a new coaching staff fixes all our mistakes? No, I don't. This team got way too comfortable. Every year it's the same exist interview. They want to play together. They want to be around each other. There's a lot more fixing than just the coaching staff. This is a really poorly constructed team right now. When Panarin is gone, can we look at this roster or near future and say we have 1 player that is worth 7m on the cap? That's a pretty big problem. Something needs to fall to us either through trade, free agency, or shiny penny on the ground luck that the other players suddenly become better players.

A new coaching staff WITH players that have the wrong attitudes will in fact fix this issue, alongside bringing in players that *want* to win, which is clearly something we don't have right now

 

[TheTakedown]

I posted this on reddit, but I had to post it here. This was in response to Mika's post-game interview last night saying he thought they played ok.


Mika has lost all sense of leadership, and at this rate his level of play is not that of a 1C. I would also argue that he's not a 1RW either. He has declined (as expected) into a a middle-6 player who can server as a Power-Play specialist... Unfortunately, that's also what Kreider is, and you can't have $15M tied up in 3rd line Power play specialists (according to last nights lines, that's exactly what they were played like)...

With Miller as a 1C with likely 3-4 years left in the tank, and laf as a future 1LW, those are the pieces that need to be built around...

Lafreniere - Miller - X
Panarin - Trocheck - X
Kaliyev - X - Brodzinski
X - Carrick - Rempe

All of the X's need to be filled. Perrault, Othmann, and Berard aren't taking the top line, there is room for MAYBE one of them on the 3rd line, which goes back to the same root problem with this organization that we had on 7/1/2024 -- the cosntruction of this roster DOES NOT WORK, and we once again do not have a f***ing Top Line Right Winger... No, a bargain bin trade/FA signing isn't going to fix it this time.

Remember that Drury made this very clear in the beginning of the season. This was the last crack at a cup with this core.

 

[Siddi]

Even if it was split 50/50 my point remains.

I know that you are not an advance stat guy so I am not going to argue this with you. Lets just agree to disagree.

 

[TheTakedown]

Desperately in need of points the Rangers are 1-4-0 in their last 5. Panarin 2-2-4, Trocheck 0-4-4, Fox 1-2-3, Jt 1-2-3, Kreider 1-0-1, Zibanejad 0-0-0. None of our big guns are producing enough----Zibanejad's disappeared again.

This is probably the 6th time this year that Laviolette has rushed a veteran back from injury and he has flat-out sucked...

Trouba
Lindgren
Fox twice
Kredier twice

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I guess it's just semantics.

Like, pretty much everyone is saying get rid of Panarin and play the young guys, because like, who else are you gonna play? That part is fine.

For me, it's just a vibe of like, "yeah get rid of all the vets because they're cancer and then the team will be good." They're not gonna be good. Our crop of young players coming through is firmly in the bottom 10 of the league. They're literally all wingers (except maybe Laba) and only Gabe projects to really even be top six. And of course Cuylle, who is fine in the top six, and tbh I would stop at "fine."

I know everyone's response to rebuilding is "boogah boogah Buffalo!" but like, what alternative is there? This team is in dire shape. I think it's gonna be a longer road than people are anticipating.

And signing the next pseudo-star that doesn't get locked up and falls through the cracks isn't gonna be the answer when that inevitably becomes a thing.

The guys that fall through the cracks do so for a reason. Rantanen fell through the cracks and we're already seeing it's because he's not that good! The main guy that was traded for him is outscoring him since the trade.

People have brought up Eichel but even a 30 year old Eichel is not that exciting to me, unless you really think we're that one guy away from winning, and I don't think we will be.

We all agree the team is bad but I think it's being overlooked how bad the pipeline is.

get rid of all the vets so we can rebuild properly this time, and even if we're bad maybe we can become interesting to watch ?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Agreed. Everyone keeps shitting on him but he's ragtagging a bunch of players that do not deserve NHL ice with the level of their play... The guy has had like 8 point streaks this year

And then goes ghost mode in the playoff. Not a player teams win with. Regular season player. At least he gets the team to the playoffs and disappears once it gets too physical. Soft

 

[Siddi]

I posted this on reddit, but I had to post it here. This was in response to Mika's post-game interview last night saying he thought they played ok.


Mika has lost all sense of leadership, and at this rate his level of play is not that of a 1C. I would also argue that he's not a 1RW either. He has declined (as expected) into a a middle-6 player who can server as a Power-Play specialist... Unfortunately, that's also what Kreider is, and you can't have $15M tied up in 3rd line Power play specialists (according to last nights lines, that's exactly what they were played like)...

With Miller as a 1C with likely 3-4 years left in the tank, and laf as a future 1LW, those are the pieces that need to be built around...

Lafreniere - Miller - X
Panarin - Trocheck - X
Kaliyev - X - Brodzinski
X - Carrick - Rempe

All of the X's need to be filled. Perrault, Othmann, and Berard aren't taking the top line, there is room for MAYBE one of them on the 3rd line, which goes back to the same root problem with this organization that we had on 7/1/2024 -- the cosntruction of this roster DOES NOT WORK, and we once again do not have a f***ing Top Line Right Winger... No, a bargain bin trade/FA signing isn't going to fix it this time.

Remember that Drury made this very clear in the beginning of the season. This was the last crack at a cup with this core.

Trocheck said basically the same thing as Mika but yet again Mika is the one getting all the blame. Is it his cap hit compared to Vinnys that makes him a more easy target? I would argue a player with Mikas skills are worth more to this team going forward even though he is a couple mil more expensive towards the cap, especially when the cap is projected to sky rocket.

 

[TheTakedown]

Trocheck said basically the same thing as Mika but yet again Mika is the one getting all the blame. Is it his cap hit compared to Vinnys that makes him a more easy target? I would argue a player with Mikas skills are worth more to this team going forward even though he is a couple mil more expensive towards the cap, especially when the cap is projected to sky rocket.

Mika is supposed to be a 1st line center with an A..

Trocheck was signed to be a 3C on this team with Chytil eventually taking that 2C spot, which never happened.

Trocheck has done and said countless other things that do exhibit the issues on this team.

Not once has Mika taken responsibility for ANYTHING.