Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[Machinehead]

This is going to be the cover of my upcoming children's book "Everyone in the Lineup is an NHL Player Except for This Asshole."

Foreword by @DanielBrassard

 

[zlev]

Jones-Fox should play half the game

 

[LokiDog]

Christ on a cracker that’s brutal, especially the D. Laf’s been a RW for over a year and earned his extension there. Cuylle is a LW. Let’s put them on a line together but shift Laf back to LW and make Cuylle play his offside on the right. Convert your 1OA to a RW so you can convert him back to LW and force your current most productive player to also convert to RW.

Meh, at this point I want to see how low we can go.

 

[Machinehead]

Jones-Fox should play half the game

And then play the other half.

 

[leetch99]

I highly doubt we see any deals until the Christmas freeze is over . Drury is then allowed to spend more time getting deals fine tuned . No point in rushing any moves at this stage ....may as well try and get as much back as possible. For some guys it will be a long Christmas.....

 

[McRanger92]

First line of Laf-Chytil-Cuylle is all fun and games until Mika & Kreider are standing flat footed for 2 minutes when we're chasing a goal late.

 

[LokiDog]

Rangers tanking to make Ludacris appear

 

[Kocur Dill]

Are you advocating for social ownership of the means of production?

Nope. Quite the opposite actually.

Most of it was tongue in cheek sarcasm towards The Players stance that NMC/NTC's are clandestine and they should be allowed to suck if they want to cuz "F U, you cant do anything about it."

Thats just nonsense in a work field that is predicated on merit.

Take away merit, take away managments ability to manage, and its the teammates without those clauses and the fans who watch who lose the most.

At some point the guys in the bottom 3/4 of the league need to ask either "Why not us too?" or say to the NHLPA "Get rid of this because it cuts us out at the knees carrying the freeloaders who make waaaaay more than we do, our careers matter too."

Hence my final comment about non guarenteed contracts.

If the NHLPA wants to keep pushing for contracts that remove merit and roster competitiveness from the sport, then the owners need to push back with NGC that are incentive based.

 

[JohnC]

He’s eternal. He’s infinite. He’s forever.

Dawg when he showed up in f***ING OPPENHEIMER I was like OH COME ON

Someone should throw him into the Hudson to reunite with his skates

 

[Levitate]

Lavy's job is to try to "save the season" and the team doesn't have enough talent to do that without Zibanejad and Kreider magically getting back on track, that's why he's throwing those guys out there chasing tying goals etc.
But he's also been doing it all year and it hasn't worked. We're far enough in that at this point the "smart" money is just to ride the players who are playing well, like Cuylle, and make the vets prove they deserve the icetime.

And yeah nothing excuses Lindgren as a top pair guy now. He's brutal, it needs to be over, the team needs to move on

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I feel bad for Schneider.

If Vaakaininen can stay in the lineup Lindgren should be the next move once Miller is good to go. It won’t be the season saving move some are hoping for but the team will be more watchable.

 

[Hire Sather]

It's so easy to scratch Kakko or Vesey or Mancini

No balls to scratch Lindgren though

I guess you can't blame Lavi though. Players might refuse to play if he pushes too far.

 

[kovazub94]

Drury's pretty obviously a massive douchebag, in a way that goes beyond just the Goodrow/Trouba situations and the resting douche face he routinely sports. I don't see anything remotely special in him that would make me choose him over the players. If the players don't want to play with him around, show him the door. I agree that the players haven't earned the right to fire another coach, but a dime-a-dozen douchey GM? Absolutely.

How’s Drury a massive douchbag if well over the half of this board advocated for moving Goodrow, Trouba (and Lindgren) this offseason on the heels of coming short of getting to SC finals? And quite a few wouldn’t hesitate to also put Miller and Kakko in this group through their cumulative performance including 1/3 of this season

 

[TGWL]

I don't get it. Why is a GM waiving a guy who is massively under performing his contract NOT "business as usual"? Why is trading a guy, and even working with him and his agent on his preferred destination, shady? And I have no problem with Drury having given Trouba the heads up that if a trade couldn't be worked out he would be waived. I see it as a favor not a threat. "The team can't afford your contract for 3rd pair level play. You ARE being moved, if I have to waive you I will. I'd rather sens you somewhere you don't hate, and get something in return." I see nothing at ALL wrong in either scenario. Contracts work both ways. TWO parties enter into an agreement, not just the team. Both of them could have given up salary for more NMC protection. I'm sure Igor just did that. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

Because the waive was done purposely to be claimed by teams he won't waive his clause for. This wasn't to send Goodrow to the minors if nobody claimed him, they weren't going to eat 1million while spending another million on a call-up worse than Goodrow. When big contracts/bad contracts are on waivers, they typically pass because nobody wants them and then they stay on the NHL roster, they aren't used to facilitate a movement around one blocked by the player. From all reports, Goodrow was even willing to play fair, and Drury pulled this last minute on him. If you really think about it, what good is having a M-NTC if a team can just put you on waivers for a team on that list to claim you? You may as well just get rid of it and only allow NMC. It's 100% shady. Drury using what was available to him doesn't make it not shady.

 

[effen]

Putting Jones on the 1st pair after some really brutal defensive zone stuff the last 5 games is a choice.

Lav seems to have a thing for giving guys big chances who are struggling.

Don't get why we haven't seen Schneider-Fox at this point. That might actually be a 1st pairing...

 

[cheech70]

I think I like this?

 

[grachevsceiling]

Do Something, Kakko!: Kakko's Last Stand - In this made-for-TV film that follows the events of the show's finale six months ago, we discover that Kaapo has retired from professional hockey and now runs a taco truck stand with his friends Filip and Alexis, both of whom also quit hockey in solidarity.

Following Kakko's Last Stand, be sure to catch the premiere of SJ Law, from the makers of LA Law. Starring Jimmy Smits.

Only on NBC, an MSG company.

Loll the logical spin-off premise and I would watch it unironically.

 

[Daves a mess]

Kent Hughes scouting Demidov in Russia ay?

WINGAS FTW!

 

[effen]

How’s Drury a massive douchbag if well over the half of this board advocated for moving Goodrow, Trouba (and Lindgren) this offseason on the heels of coming short of getting to SC finals? And quite a few wouldn’t hesitate to also put Miller and Kakko in this group through their cumulative performance including 1/3 of this season

Half the board are douchebags. D:

 

[McRanger92]

It's so easy to scratch Kakko or Vesey or Mancini

No balls to scratch Lindgren though

I guess you can't blame Lavi though. Players might refuse to play if he pushes too far.

I legitimately think the room reacting poorly to a Lindgren scratch is under consideration. Lavi is afraid to further insult the players who have already quit on him. Maybe he "Maurice's" himself after Christmas.

 

[CLW]

Vince is a bootlicker for the players. He gets the few scoops he does by never being critical of them.

Well, there's the other narrative that the beat reporters never ask tough questions of the coaches and management because that would make them sh*tlisted.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

It's so easy to scratch Kakko or Vesey or Mancini

No balls to scratch Lindgren though

I guess you can't blame Lavi though. Players might refuse to play if he pushes too far.

The players “refusing to play” would be an upgrade over the bullshit we’ve been forced to watch over the last month.

 

[Atax]

If you guys want Greenway for Kakko I cant take you seriously. What an awful trade.

 

[McRanger92]

"Why am I getting scratched and these overpaid bums arent?" Fair question Kaapo.

Ive been predicting a growing rift between the young and old players since Lafreniere re-signed for a discount and saw no change in his role.

 

[TGWL]

I think I like this?

Trading an RFA for Jordan UFA Greenwood makes less than zeros sense. So the possibility is high.