Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[grachevsceiling]

“Do something, Kakko!: Kakko’s last stand” …

Go, Will!

 

[CLW]

Vince M. actually roasted Lavi for dropping Kakko. Interesting. Unusual for Vince to be openly scathing.

 

[Machinehead]

Mika probably missed and hit the bartender in the eye with the dart. Bartender pressing charges against Mika and the org now.

Fox was so slow getting to the bar. That's why he's in the back and missed most of the dart throwing competition. Took him 2 hours to get there even though it's a 4 minute walk from the team hotel.

Kakko probably in the corner talking to himself quietly in Finnish.

Panarin did nothing all night, finally agreed to toss one set, and promptly put up a perfect 180.

 

[will1066]

Day One of Turnaround

 

[Machinehead]

Day One of Turnaround

Ur-hold on a second! Here come the Rangers!

 

[effen]

I dont know about that. Mikas play been more physical the past couple of games. He is actually throwing hits and battling the corners.

Mika is giving like 63% effort instead of 41% effort. It's better but this is acceptable for a "1st line" guy on no team anywhere.

 

[bhamill]

I don't think Goodrow is some contract law genius who fully understands the intricacies of all his clauses. He took whatever his agent got for him. His agent does not really have much of an incentive to fight hard to get his player a full NMC if the player doesn't list it as a hard requirement instead of a partial NTC since his fee is based on the value of the contract, not no move clauses.

NO one on here is a contract law genius and we ALL(?) understand what the clauses are. If Goodrow didn't, and I highly DOUBT that, that is on him and his agent. It's so f***ing basic that this isn't even funny.

 

[effen]

Smith was pretty obviously a fallback option. By all accounts the Rangers wanted to move trouba and Goodrow's money to add another forward like Guentzel.

I had forgotten since, but it seemed obvious to me at the time to idea was to trade Goodrow for Jake Walman and Goodrow blocked it.

Walman made 0 sense to get traded WITH A PICK TO TAKE HIM unless Detroit had a d-man lined up to replace him (Trouba) but there was some order of operations that had to be done and it was a big weird 3-way where NYR lost Trouba and Goodrow and got Walman and (something).

I don't think Guentzel was ever an option.

 

[McRanger92]

Vince M. actually roasted Lavi for dropping Kakko. Interesting. Unusual for Vince to be openly scathing.

Vince is a bootlicker for the players. He gets the few scoops he does by never being critical of them.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Day One of Turnaround

savior vibes

 

[McRanger92]

Day One of Turnaround

"Not Ryan Lindgren" is my new favorite player on the team.

 

[effen]

Vince is a bootlicker for the players. He gets the few scoops he does by never being critical of them.

Sounds like he's a lot smarter than he gets credit for, making a living in local sports journalism for a niche sport in 2024.

 

[will1066]

I don't think Goodrow is some contract law genius who fully understands the intricacies of all his clauses. He took whatever his agent got for him. His agent does not really have much of an incentive to fight hard to get his player a full NMC if the player doesn't list it as a hard requirement instead of a partial NTC since his fee is based on the value of the contract, not no move clauses.

“Do something, Kakko!: Kakko’s last stand” …

Go, Will!

Do Something, Kakko!: Kakko's Last Stand - In this made-for-TV film that follows the events of the show's finale six months ago, we discover that Kaapo has retired from professional hockey and now runs a taco truck stand with his friends Filip and Alexis, both of whom also quit hockey in solidarity.

Following Kakko's Last Stand, be sure to catch the premiere of SJ Law, from the makers of LA Law. Starring Jimmy Smits.

Only on NBC, an MSG company.

 

[Sisu4ever]

Day One of Turnaround

Is Zib cleared for contact too? If so, somebody tell him!

 

[Ruggs225]

Im excited to see urku

 

[Filip Chytil]

He’s eternal. He’s infinite. He’s forever.

Dawg when he showed up in f***ING OPPENHEIMER I was like OH COME ON

And then Sean said "Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds"

 

[Rhyagelle]

Urho is expected to play tonight, but lets see how rough it gets.

Over a month break from any real action
Only one morning practice with contact
New team
New pairing
New system

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[Graves97]

Why don't the players demand a trade then if they are so unhappy with management? honestly most of them, especially the vets, would be doing the team, and all of us a favor if they moved on. Also not opposed to getting rid of Drury and Lav at some point, just refuse to keep giving in to these spoiled brats who wilt at the slightest hint of adversity.

I also just want to point out that the last thing anyone complaining about the country club atmosphere should want, is for Drury or Lavi to get fired before significant changes are made. What better way to further embolden the players and reinforce they are the ones in charge than by once again giving them exactly what they want.

 

[Mike in Houston]

I don't dislike it. Let's see how it goes.

Cuylle-Chytil-Lafrenière
Kreider-Trocheck-Berard
Smith-Zibanejad-Kakko
Edström-Carrick-Vesey

Jones-Fox
Lindgren-Schneider
Vaakanainen-Ruhwedel

 

[Ruggs225]

So the dart game at the bar was to pick the lineup. Thats a bold move cotton

 

[Machinehead]

Kreider-Trocheck-Berard should eat up.

 

[chosen]

Time for Rangers to move on from Kaapo Kakko — and the trade that makes most sense​

Daily double alert regarding the Rangers who, after losing to the then-32nd and last-overall Blackhawks at the Garden on Dec. 9, have the opportunity to lose to the current-32nd and last-overall Predators in Nashville on Tuesday.

1. Kaapo Kakko has not been close to being a singular problem through the Blueshirts’ slide, but head coach Peter Laviolette thought that scratching the Finn in St. Louis on Sunday would be a solution.

It is time to move on. It is not going to pop here. And even when it kind of does, even when there is a glimmer, it is never quite sustainable, the puck still doesn’t go in, it is always a disappointment.

And I’m sure for Kakko, too, whose ceiling gets lower by the week.

2. The hierarchy that includes president-general manager Chris Drury and chairman Jim Dolan are hurtling toward a crossroads off this 3-10 nosedive that commenced two games ahead of the memo. The organization will have to decide whether to attempt to bolster this roster for a playoff run or whether to go into a 2018-19 retool.

Here’s the thing I can confidently tell you: The Rangers will not sacrifice their most promising future assets — the likes of Will Cuylle, Gabe Perreault, Brennan Othmann, E.J. Emery — in order to do patchwork so that this team might squeeze out a round or two in the tournament.

Trading a first-rounder for the opportunity to rent Columbus defenseman Ivan Provorov would represent lunacy.

The idea is not to consume two or three or four home playoff dates. It was not in 2018, when the organization was in range of making the playoffs for the eighth straight year but chose to go the route that took them to the conference finals twice within six years of the Letter, and it is not now.

3. Kakko is not a sell-high guy. I doubt that his inclusion will prove a tipping point in any major package on which the Blueshirts might be working. I’m not sure what fair value is for the 23-year-old, third-line winger (4-10-14 in 29 games averaging 13:23 of ice time per), but there is no point in being picky, either.

The Sabres have to be looking to make a move. They are one of the few teams currently in a worse place than the Rangers. Of course, I would want Dylan Cozens, and of course I would want Alec Tuch. Kakko does not trigger that type of conversation, unless as a throw-in.

I’d offer Kakko for Jordan Greenway, the 6-foot-6, 230-pound winger who put K’Andre Miller on IR with a blow in the Rangers’ 3-2 victory in Buffalo last Thursday.

Greenway brings size; he brings attitude; he goes to the net. His 11.88 hits per 60:00 at five-on-five would rank third on the Rangers behind Cuylle (18.46) and Adam Edstrom (11.92). The Canton, N.Y., native who a week ago returned from a three-week absence (mid-body), has three goals and four assists in 20 games, 1-3-4 over the last 15.

I know, but that’s why he might be attainable in exchange for Kakko. You think you’re getting Cole Caufield in return?

Greenway, who turns 28 on Feb. 16, can become an unrestricted free agent on July 1 coming off a deal under which he carries a $3 million cap hit. Not ideal, but it’s not ideal either that Kakko is coming up on his final year of restricted free agency off his one-year, $2.4M deal. Of course, it is doubtful that No. 24 will get there as a Ranger.

4. Laviolette appropriately cut Mika Zibanejad’s ice time in the third period in St. Louis on Monday while the Rangers were chasing a 3-0 deficit that they narrowed to 3-2. No. 93 received only three shifts worth 2:15 for the first 14:37.

But then he got another one at 14:27. And then, for whatever reason, Laviolette simply could not contain himself and sent Zibanejad on for the final 2:33 after the Blueshirts had pulled Jonathan Quick for the extra attacker.

Meanwhile, Cuylle — who had scored the club’s second goal by going to the net and burying an Alexis Lafreniere feed — got only two shifts after bringing the team within 3-2 at 11:37 and did not get on the ice for the final 3:55.

What are we doing here?

5. The collapse of the Zibanejad-Chris Kreider partnership has been devastating. It is as if these two symbiotic friends and forwards have aged two decades in two months. The last three years, Nos. 93 and 20 had a 58.74 goals-for ratio. This year, it is 42.11.

Kreider, who worked hard on a rejiggered bottom-six line with Sam Carrick and Edstrom in St. Louis, has one goal in his past 10 games. Yet he, like Zibanejad, was on for the final 2:33 when Berard, who had scored the first goal, was not on, either.

There comes a time when the back of the baseball card no longer applies.

6. According to MoneyPuck, there are 62 defense pairs that have played at least 200 minutes at five-on-five.

The top-ranked pair per expected goal share?

K’Andre Miller-Adam Fox with a 65.9xGF.

The 62nd-ranked pair?

That would be Ryan Lindgren-Adam Fox at 40.1.

So, of course, Laviolette had broken up the Miller-Fox tandem (for the second time) eight games prior to No. 79 going down in Buffalo … so he could go back to Lindgren-Fox.

What are we doing here?

Oh, I said that before.

Trade Kakko for a 4-month rental of Greenway?

 

[SA16]

Sure - this is completely off topic but it’s certainly up to Barclay goodrow and his agent to understand VERY basic contract agreements, nothing even remotely intricate or complex about understanding NMC, NTC, partial no movement that a child could probably logically understand.

I am sure the agent does understand them but unless Goodrow told him "You must get me a full NMC for the length of the contract" why would the agent want to reduce the value of the contract to do so? I think it's reasonably likely, prior to this, most players would have assumed that by putting a team on their NTC that they could not go to that team without their consent.

 

[zlev]

if they trade Kakko it needs to be for a defenseman