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100% true. This is such a massive hit to culture. New guys are going to come up into this toxic bullshit. Thinking Gabe/Othmann/Berard ect.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)
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Boris Zubov
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Did you guys even listen to what he said?!? He was crapping on Lavi, not Drury.
At the 'just drafted' stage I could see it, because the younger guys are looking for strategies that could help them, but for the 'vets' you are going to get what you get in most other high-performing industries; a bunch of people who smile and nod respectfully, but who are sitting there thinking 'i've been doing this unique job at a high level for 10+ years, what is this guy talking about and why does he think this is relevant?'.
This is very similar to what company does, and unless it's a military industry aligned org, most of the time it doesn't land
Mac n Gs
Drury plz
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The types of moves that would actually address this issue wouldn’t be popular amongst the general fanbase because it would require time and patience. This organization is too scared of making those moves anyways, so it’s moot.
We could be back in this cycle in like 50 years, and people would be calling for Messier’s floating head, Futurama style, to be the coach. It’s the gut, reactionary response that everyone goes back to because MSG falls over themselves at every opportunity to mention 1994
I don't think Drury has gone rogue, I also don't think Dolan cares all that much about hockey.
Yes I listened, did you? He started talking about Drury as the genesis of the current sad state of affairs.
McRanger92
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Him or Overhardt. or Ian Pulver, who is Goodrow's agent who already leaked to Staple and Vince that they are going to turn the screws to the Rangers over K'Andre (his other client) contract.
I'll say this, the reason the Rangers are getting raked by the media is because the agents(who are the 'anonymous sources') are upset that they can't get their clients out of these unfortunate situations. All these people like Dangle and Seravelli on their high horses saying you cant treat the "modern NHL player" like this. The f*** does that mean aside from "entitled"? Because even with or without this joke of a team meeting, the players effort is that of entitlement. There's so much evidence to think these pampered Rangers have gotten used to having great amenities, paying with their buddies, extracurricular career opportunities and very limited fan and media accountability(until the last couple years). Ticket and concession prices keep rising, and the quality on the ice is falling, but the players salaries don't change. I couldnt help but notice that. These players would best be reminded that winning is everything and the only thing that absolves from criticism.
I say give these jokers until the new year, and then fire the lot of them. Kreider, Laviolette, Drury. Everyone goes down. Then you hire Henrik Lundqvist to be President of the team. Bring some class and accountability back to an Original 6 franchise that desperately needs it. Hire someone with experience under him as GM. Let Peca take the reins until the end of the year to see if he can right the ship, but dont have an expectation of playoffs. This team almost needs to step back and look in the mirror, and reassess what's important to winning a Cup. There are pieces in place that will lead to a quick turnaround if they start prioritizing playing the right way.
Boris Zubov
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He mentioned the trades in passing then segued into the coach needing to set the tone for the room, which was his main focus of the video. I guess we all hear what we want to hear.
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McRanger92
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That's money better spent by the Rangers on a sure thing, not a guy who is still a project in year 5.
effen
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Doesn't Graves work in hockey ops? If I'm him, I'm ripping this group a new one and demand they start acting / playing with pride: for the crest, for each other, for us. It's embarrassing as fans how soft and sensitive of a team we have right now. Enough already. I can't imagine how he feels watching this all unfold.
RickChartraw
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Maybe. I know for a fact other teams in hockey and other sports have done it, and I definitely think that an athlete is a lot more likely to take something away from a person who is essentially a “combat athlete” than virtually any other profession would be. There’s a lot more crossover and commonality between a athletes and special operators who lives in the gym and needs to perform physically at an elite level than there is with a military veteran telling accountants or computer coders how to be resilient and work as a team.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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nope unless you count kakko talking to the media like a wounded puppy about how much of a meanie laviolette is
This kind of feels the same as the Messier argument. Why do the current players care what Adam Graves has to say? And not even in a disrespectful way. It's just, what is Adam Graves going to tell this group that they don't already know?
All the players are aware of the legacy of '94, it's literally everywhere around MSG and I assume the practice facility as well. They know Graves was beloved by his team mates and the fans, but what does that mean to them and how can they use it?
At least Graves played a playoff game since the millennium, but why listen to Graves and not Drury?
Since Mess last played a playoff game, Drury has:
- worn a letter for 4 organisations (As in COL and COL, Cs in BUF and NYR)
- won a Stanley Cup as a player
- gone to the conference finals another 5 times as a player
- been an AGM
- been a GM
- gone to the conference finals twice as a GM
Drury (who I don't care about one way or the other) seems at least as qualified to talk to a playing group about what it takes to win and have them listen...
At this point I think they should try everything and anything.
Also I'm stealing 'combat athlete' to use when talking with some of my employees
, apparently my use of 'tactical operator' is getting old!
And yet we have boomers and Drury boot lickers going "hurr durr GM good players bad"
I guess we will find out sooner than later.
If they have issue with the way Drury conducts business, then they surely won't respond / haven't responded to him. Also, Drury's name and number don't hang from the rafters. I'm pro-Messier being involved in the org in some capacity.
It's not what Adam Graves would tell them. It's the fact that it's Adam Graves giving them a kick in the ass. When you have a legend like that tell you to your face you need to play with pride, you listen. And you fight like hell to get things right. If not, then don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Plain and simple. Citing Drury's "accomplishments" is comical.
deathb4disco
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I read an article on Robert Lehner today about how he's broke etc.. he talked about Vegas and how cutthroat they are, and then talks about that is why they are so successful why can't we have that here? This is a high pressure environment if you can come close to being decent value for your contract see the door. I want people who don't quit on the team I root for.
Phil Esposito is flying into New York to speak with James Dolan about the quality of towels in the Rangers locker room.
Seems the current towels that the players have been crying in is giving them prepubescent acne.
Also, Jordan from Green Day will be singing at Chris Kreider’s upcoming birthday party.
Or something like that.
I didnt know Lavi was in charge of trades. Listen to the clip again. This time, crank the volume.
Messier doesn't want to be "involved in the org". Messier wants to be handed the GM or coach role.
Lets be honest about things. He has no desire to actually put in the work, and believes that his legacy from 30 years ago is enough to earn that job.
I don't love Drury but I would rather watch us sign Peter Chiarelli for GM before Messier.
Yeah, no. I don't want Peter Chiarelli anywhere near the GM chair. I don't see what issue there'd be with Messier in a President-type role.
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seems pretty consistent for drury pissing everyone off wherever he goes. Hartford was a Hiroshima bombing under him, and the Kravtsov situation…
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