Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[Machinehead]

Is it a stretch to say Mancini and Ruhwedel are an upgrade on Trouba and Lindgren at this point?

Ruhwedel is better than both for sure.

Mancini was kinda f***in abysmal tbh.

I mean, he's not worse.

 

[Machinehead]

What is truly wild is that we moved for Trouba before we fully knoew what Fox was going to be, with the intent of Trouba being the #1 defenseman on a cup contending team.

They thought he was going to get better with an increased role for *checks notes* some reason.

Like, forwards will score more points playing more minutes. Defensemen don't work like that.

 

[will1066]

They thought he was going to get better with an increased role for *checks notes* some reason.

Like, forwards will score more points playing more minutes. Defensemen don't work like that.

He was a solid two-way blue liner with a good shot on the power play and had leadership qualities, having worn an A in Winnipeg. And going the other way was Neal Pionk, whom was hated.

 

[Kovalev27]

I don't really find that surprising. They have lots of good 5v5 scorers already. Kreider as net front on PP1/key on the PK (with Trocheck( is likely much more valuable to them then having Caufield at 4th line wing and a second unit PP role.

For a short tourney I would absolutely stash Kreider on the 4th line to have the best net front PP guy in the league and one of the best PKers In the league on my team.

Trocheck has been abysmal but I’d take him at center over the other two guys who can’t play in the bottom 6 aren’t going to get special teams mins and can’t win faceoffs. Makes sense to me.

 

[Machinehead]

He was a solid two-way blue liner with a good shot on the power play and had leadership qualities, having worn an A in Winnipeg. And going the other way was Neal Pionk, whom was hated.

Yeah, but he never played a #1 role. Dustin Byfuglien played north of 24 minutes a game on those teams.

@Fitzy is right that that's the role we were planning on having him in.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Oops.

The series was basically a microcosm of what the teams were. Hurricanes doing what they did with zone time and shot volume in place of quality and the Rangers getting the share of quality.

I don't need to rewrite history, I remember how that series went but it seems like you don't.

They controlled the 3rd period of game 6 which led directly to that comeback. They were in trouble had they lost that game but they didn't and it wasn't just Igor that won it for them. Carolina turtled and opened the door, but the Rangers tore it off the hinges and burned down their house. They 100% deserved to win that game.

Igor was kind of a dud in games 4 and 5 btw where he posted -GSAA's.

G4:MoneyPuck.com
G5: MoneyPuck.com


G4 in particular was very winnable. G5 was just a shit performance all around, they deserved what they got there.

Anyway this is off topic now and you don't seem interested in having an actual conversation in good faith so I'm out.

I think the Rangers scored 4 or more goals in all but one of our wins and yet you have clowns saying Igor stole it because of a bunch of point shots against him.

 

[will1066]

Yeah, but he never played a #1 role. Dustin Byfuglien played north of 24 minutes a game on those teams.

@Fitzy is right that that's the role we were planning on having him in.

Giving people opportunities along with big money is normal and not far-fetched, though. The organization thought he had it in him. They were wrong. It happens.

 

[Fitzy]

We started the 'build' before having a good understanding of where we should have been filling holes via trade.free agency once we knew more about how the young players were going to turn out.

Panarin- sure I can get it. You don't usually see top 15 players in the league hit UFA when they are 28. The fact that he found another level here makes it a really good choice in retrospect. I'll even grant you keeping Kreider, which I was skeptical of, worked in a lot of ways.

But there's no way with the benefit of hindsight that NYR make the trade they do for Trouba, so early, knowing what our team looks like from 2021 to 2024. If they do, they're a moron. You could justify him being a 1B on the second pairing, like McDonagh to Hedman, making that much money if it really gives us depth, but he literally has only played at that level for one season here out of five.

 

[McRanger92]

What's the point in keeping Laviolette? The core quit on him. He's a garden gnome with a coach badge right now who polishes the knob of the vets who quit on him. How can they respect him after that? No meritocracy. How can the kids respect him? He has no ideas and no tools. A tough guy act from him now would make the players laugh at him.

Sure keep him just to keep a guy called Coach around and firing him is a bother mostly because they have to find a new guy, but this guy is toast.

Who is replacing him? And why are the players going to listen to the next coach? No wonder the Rangers give up at adversity, so do the fans lol

 

[B17 Apricots]

Drury has caused this issue. They are not wrong. Toxic environment is what the Rangers are.

I meant to comment yesterday... Biz is wrong there at the end. I didn't watch the podcast so I don't know the full context, but just from that snippet... forget the Drury stuff for a second. On top of all the other drama going on, this guy in the very beginning of the season comes out and says I'm more important than the rest of you I should be paid more than all of you. I'm better than all of you. Those aren't my words, thats essentially what they've reported was said. On top of all the other nonsense, how are you supposed to feel about that guy if he's your teammate now. Even if you'd want to argue that's true, you don't come out and say something like that. I think it was a nationally broadcasted game on one of the big networks that they reported on it mid-game earlier in the season. I wish I could find the clip. What they were saying painted such a bad picture of the guy. I don't know if it's Igor's words, I don't know if it's just his agent, maybe it's just a negotiating tactic... came off as pure garbage. So I'd say not taking some sort of "hometown discount" has much more to do with his ego rather than anything concerning Chris Drury

 

[Machinehead]

Giving people opportunities along with big money is normal and not far-fetched, though. The organization thought he had it in him. They were wrong. It happens.

Giving a 3D, who's always been a 3D, 1D money and just saying "go ahead and do it" with no statistical basis whatsoever that he was going to progress is far-fetched.

 

[McRanger92]

Ruhwedel is better than both for sure.

Mancini was kinda f***in abysmal tbh.

I mean, he's not worse.

That was a really small sample for Mancini and he has all the tools we need. He's strong, he can skate, he can carry the puck up. He can get a wrist shot through. There's no way he was worse than the other 2 pylons in his limited action.

 

[RangersFan1994]

As doom and gloom things look, there are positives. The young wingers in this organization are promising. Laf, Kakko, Cuylle, Berard, Othmann, Perreault. It's why Panarin is going to come up in summer rumors.

It's why Kreider is getting rumored. Smith's name will pop up soon too.

Kakko is the same, but I'd like to think it's for a young defenseman or center and wouldn't be primarily futures as the premium asset. It's such a sore spot and could make them open to moving one of Mika/Troch.

It's also the guys that people actually want and have some value.

I wonder if the Rangers will try to package Kakko and Miller for a center and a dman that can skate and play defense.

 

[McRanger92]

They thought he was going to get better with an increased role for *checks notes* some reason.

Like, forwards will score more points playing more minutes. Defensemen don't work like that.

The previous regime targeted him because we had an incredibly soft defense and no leadership. The contract wouldnt have been an albatross if not for Fauci's pandemic. They swung and missed on the player but the logic made sense. They werent going forward with Fox/DeAngelo/Pionk on the right side. It's all water under the bridge now. Time to rip the bandaid off.

 

[CLW]

Who is replacing him? And why are the players going to listen to the next coach? No wonder the Rangers give up at adversity, so do the fans lol

You got it backwards.

Keeping a Lame Duck Coach is showing fighting spirit how exactly?

 

[Machinehead]

That was a really small sample for Mancini and he has all the tools we need. He's strong, he can skate, he can carry the puck up. He can get a wrist shot through. There's no way he was worse than the other 2 pylons in his limited action.

Don't get me wrong, I think Mancini has potential. He can skate, he can handle the puck. He was very impressive in the offensive zone.

We're not dealing with Lindgren here, who has like, UK league talent.

The problem is, Mancini has no concept whatsoever of how to defend in the pros, and given his resume, he wouldn't. I think a year in the A is going to be great for him.

And I'm not one of these people who think the A is a magical land and guys can't develop in the NHL, but it would be good for Mancini to have more minutes and a longer leash.

 

[LokiDog]

He was a solid two-way blue liner with a good shot on the power play and had leadership qualities, having worn an A in Winnipeg. And going the other way was Neal Pionk, whom was hated.

He was a physical 25 year old with good size and a wicked slap shot coming off a 50pt season who had never posted a negative +/- in his career, averaging 22-24 minutes a night since his rookies year. His first season in NY he had 27pts and was a -12 and it’s just never really been a great fit for whatever reason. 8M may have been rich but we felt he was just what was needed at the time (again, Fox was an unknown quantity at this point). Early Trouba was talked about as a Shea Weber light but that 24-25 year old season ended up being his best. I always wanted to like Trouba, not just when we initially got upset he wasn’t gonna be worth his cap hit, but even over the last couple years where it wasn’t just not living up to his contract but genuinely struggling… this year is different though. He just seems to be sulking and checked out now and I can’t get behind that.

 

[McRanger92]

Don't get me wrong, I think Mancini has potential. He can skate, he can handle the puck. He was very impressive in the offensive zone.

We're not dealing with Lindgren here, who has like, UK league talent.

The problem is, Mancini has no concept whatsoever of how to defend in the pros, and given his resume, he wouldn't. I think a year in the A is going to be great for him.

And I'm not one of these people who think the A is a magical land and guys can't develop in the NHL, but it would be good for Mancini to have more minutes and a longer leash.

Watching Mancini gives me the same feeling as Cuylle gave me last year. He's going to be a very good player, but d-men take longer. I think he could handle 3rd pair NHL minutes but Im game for an NHL caliber outside hire on defense.

 

[Siddi]

Neither do half the guys on this board- looking at all the people posting their ridiculous charts lmfao. One guy even tried to show how Zibinejad was good.

Reading comprehension is not your strongest suit.

The stat card from the Devils game was to show that albeit Mika is still bad he is not the worst skater on the team.

I even said in that same post that Mika IS still playing like shit.

 

[JimmyG89]

Tyler Seguin is going on LTIR and is most likely done for the regular season. 4-6 months on the aggressive end gets you to the beginning of April.

This is an opportunity to make a move with a team that is in a similar spot to the Rangers in terms of team build.

The right side of their defense is not good. Old friend Nils Lundkvist is on the 3rd pair, but Matt Dumba (washed) and Lybushkin are the other RHD. They've got young forwards that could step up in their lineup. This might be a place where you can send Trouba.

 

[McRanger92]

You got it backwards.

Keeping a Lame Duck Coach is showing fighting spirit how exactly?

Why is he a lame duck? He's got another year on his contract and the Rangers are still paying Gallant last I checked. Firing Laviolette is symbolic gesture that wont make anything better.

 

[LokiDog]

Yeah, but he never played a #1 role. Dustin Byfuglien played north of 24 minutes a game on those teams.

@Fitzy is right that that's the role we were planning on having him in.

Almost positive one of the things was Trouba was tired of getting out on the left side so he could partner with Buff. May not have been 100% of the time, but he played there a lot. He averaged 23 minutes a night while in WPG.

 

[Ruggs225]

At this point I would rather have Ruhwedel
Playing over lindgren.

 

[Machinehead]

Watching Mancini gives me the same feeling as Cuylle gave me last year. He's going to be a very good player, but d-men take longer. I think he could handle 3rd pair NHL minutes but Im game for an NHL caliber outside hire on defense.

He reminds me of Schneider. Schneider always had the tools, but when he first started, he was bad defensively to the point of having to tie a bell to the guy he was covering (so is Trouba every damn game for 20 minutes, but I digress).

And I still think Schneider needs work, but he's still only 23.

Point is, he's an NHL player now and I think Mancini will be as well.

 

[McRanger92]

Tyler Seguin is going on LTIR and is most likely done for the regular season. 4-6 months on the aggressive end gets you to the beginning of April.

This is an opportunity to make a move with a team that is in a similar spot to the Rangers in terms of team build.

The right side of their defense is not good. Old friend Nils Lundkvist is on the 3rd pair, but Matt Dumba (washed) and Lybushkin are the other RHD. They've got young forwards that could step up in their lineup. This might be a place where you can send Trouba.

Someone suggested Dumba and a pick for Trouba. Maybe throw Reilly Smith in as well. The only people who cant find trades that make sense in the NHL landscape right now are the "insiders" and GMs apparently.