Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[Boris Zubov]

Trouba for pionk was gorton.
Mcd was gorton
You lose a lot of credibility if you’re blaming him for moves he didn’t do.
Most of Drury’s mid season moves have been solid.

Blais for Buch is his worst move.

Giving Mika that 8 year NMC was by far his worst move.

 

[Machinehead]

They've won because they were (and are) a good and very talented team. They've ultimately not gotten it done in the playoffs because their leaders wilt when adversity hits. Every playoff series we've lost with this core was one that we had a series lead.

We have 3-4 legitimately bad and overpaid players, you'll find no argument from me there. the sooner Trouba and Lindgren are gone and Mika is demoted, the quicker we can get back to being a Cup contender. Drury needs to make that happen in-season or it's going to be someone else's job this summer. It's not even Thanksgiving yet.

My whole thing is, I feel like people want 2012 back. I hear pining over Torts (that I happen to agree with), Dubinsky and Callahan. It seems to come back to 2012 for a lot of people.

I absolutely do not wanna go back to 2012. They were a decent team. Nobody will care, but I'll give you the numbers, 23rd in CF% but 10th in xGF%. The whole "keep it to the outside" ethos sort of worked based on those numbers. They were never winning the Stanley Cup, though.

And like, I'm sorry, but I found that team painfully hard to watch. They NEVER had the puck.

Like I said, they were a solid team, so I'm not trying to pick on them. I'd take them over crap like now, 2016, or even last year tbh. But like, it's sort of my biggest fear. A team that's still not good enough but they visually try hard and set a vibe that people like. I don't wanna fall into that trap again, and I feel like that's what people want. That's my aversion.

Mika is bad and softness is a big part of it. I think that's true for Trouba as well, in some ways. He's more concerned about his highlight hits than playing his position (I think Miller is just a moron and that poor shmuck Lindgren doesn't have one f***ing NHL attribute). Sure, get rid of those guys. I think everyone agrees and the rest is just semantics.

I think the next era of Rangers hockey needs to focus on speed, skill, and hockey IQ as much as anything else. The rest falls into place.

 

[IDvsEGO]

PIONK/McMichael (and that's not hindsight).

I wouldn’t even change the pick.
Heinola is a lhd.

Giving Mika that 8 year NMC was by far his worst move.

That deal made sense at the time. And you give 1c’s full nmc’s.

Are we regretting it now? 100%.
At the time of the deal it made sense.

 

[TGWL]

Post-Game Talk: - Subban Stinks!

Kreider fugazy tough guy…..either sucker punch him or go home Exactly. You wanna send a message? Knock him the f*** out.

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GDT: - Game 20 - New York Rangers @ Los Angeles Kings - 10:30pm EST, MSG

I can't wait until we lose 2-1 and someone asks Gallant if Kravtsov is playing next game and he replies you never want to change your lineup after losing by just a goal.

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I've been saying it for a while now. This isn't new with Zibanejad. He just got lead-way because he was scoring.

There's probably more to his overall game than Zibanejad has checked out. I hope he's not dealing with something personal/serious.

 

[MrAlmost]

Bread at optional practice

I'll be honest, I did not expect to see Troubas name with the live and let live game he played last night.

Kreider, Z, Smith, Trouba, Lindgren out.

 

[LokiDog]

The next time Mika is in front of a reporter for they ought to drop the canned questions and ask him flat out: Is hockey your passion? Do you want to be here?

 

[McRanger92]

My whole thing is, I feel like people want 2012 back. I hear pining over Torts (that I happen to agree with), Dubinsky and Callahan. It seems to come back to 2012 for a lot of people.

I absolutely do not wanna go back to 2012. They were a decent team. Nobody will care, but I'll give you the numbers, 23rd in CF% but 10th in xGF%. The whole "keep it to the outside" ethos sort of worked based on those numbers. They were never winning the Stanley Cup, though.

And like, I'm sorry, but I found that team painfully hard to watch. They NEVER had the puck.

Like I said, they were a solid team, so I'm not trying to pick on them. I'd take them over crap like now, 2016, or even last year tbh. But like, it's sort of my biggest fear. A team that's still not good enough but they visually try hard and set a vibe that people like. I don't wanna fall into that trap again, and I feel like that's what people want. That's my aversion.

Mika is bad and softness is a big part of it. I think that's true for Trouba as well, in some ways. He's more concerned about his highlight hits than playing his position (I think Miller is just a moron and that poor shmuck Lindgren doesn't have one f***ing NHL attribute). Sure, get rid of those guys. I think everyone agrees and the rest is just semantics.

I think the next era of Rangers hockey needs to focus on speed, skill, and hockey IQ as much as anything else. The rest falls into place.

I dont want to go back to 2012. I just want to watch a team that gives a f*** on the ice and the Rangers dont give enough of a f***. They haven't since Strome told Quinn to eff off in the media. Even in the playoffs they leave everyone wanting more. Probably the worst thing to happen to this team was Kreider's hat trick in Game 6 against the Canes. If they doesnt happen they absolutely wouldve blown the 3-0 lead. Can you look back on this era and confidently say "the team gave everything they had"?

They have a Hart Trophy guy, a Norris winner, a Vezina winner and a team full of all-stars and 1st round picks. Miss me with the "no talent" narrative. They choked away golden opportunities. At least Hank's team were accountable. I guess Kreider and Mika didnt have that aspect of him rub off.

 

[Boris Zubov]

That deal made sense at the time. And you give 1c’s full nmc’s.

Are we regretting it now? 100%.
At the time of the deal it made sense.

Some of us didn't like it before the ink was dry. We can certainly debate whether Zib was a true 1C, but there were signs showing that his game was slipping before the deal. I'm not talking about stats, but the issues we can all see clearly now were beginning to appear back in 20-21. Quite honestly, he hasn't been the same player since that 5 goal game, IMO.

And this time if you disagree with me, please refrain from another one of your temper tantrums. We can all do without the name calling. Please & thanks.

 

[Ruggs225]

Bread at optional practice

Where is tro?

He needs to step up and get his fire back. This team needs him to have a chip and agitate.

 

[effen]

Bread at optional practice

f***ing prima donna Zac Jones

 

[zlev]

I dont want to go back to 2012. I just want to watch a team that gives a f*** on the ice and the Rangers dont give enough of a f***. They haven't since Strome told Quinn to eff off in the media. Even in the playoffs they leave everyone wanting more. Probably the worst thing to happen to this team was Kreider's hat trick in Game 6 against the Canes. If they doesnt happen they absolutely wouldve blown the 3-0 lead. Can you look back on this era and confidently say "the team gave everything they had"?

the 2022 team didn't give a f***? the team that came back to win from 3-1 and 2-0 in consecutive playoff series? i dont think you understand what "giving a f***" actually looks like.

 

[Machinehead]

I dont want to go back to 2012. I just want to watch a team that gives a f*** on the ice and the Rangers dont give enough of a f***. They haven't since Strome told Quinn to eff off in the media. Even in the playoffs they leave everyone wanting more. Probably the worst thing to happen to this team was Kreider's hat trick in Game 6 against the Canes. If they doesnt happen they absolutely wouldve blown the 3-0 lead. Can you look back on this era and confidently say "the team gave everything they had"?

They have a Hart Trophy guy, a Norris winner, a Vezina winner and a team full of all-stars and 1st round picks. Miss me with the "no talent" narrative. They choked away golden opportunities. At least Hank's team were accountable. I guess Kreider and Mika didnt have that aspect of him rub off.

I mean, maybe "no talent" isn't exactly correct, but you have to admit that the holes are gargantuan, right?

The problem players are 1C and 3 of the top 4 defensemen. That's like, legit, one of the worst situations a team can be in.

At the end of the day, all of the players people don't like because they're soft are all of our worst players (with the exception of Kreider, historically, but he's been terrible this year) so like who cares anyway?

I just want the next generation to be more 2014 and less 2012. If you want grit, more Will Cuylle and less Ryan Callahan.

Also, in regard to the captaincy, I don't care. I'm not saying leadership doesn't exist, but a letter on a jersey doesn't change who the human beings in the room are.

I just wanna give to to Fox so it's not a thing. He's the face of the franchise and he's so f***ing good that there's no way anybody won't respect it. It's gonna bring the room together, as opposed to now where the team has pretty much publically admitted their captain sucks at hockey.

 

[Ruggs225]

The next time Mika is in front of a reporter for they ought to drop the canned questions and ask him flat out: Is hockey your passion? Do you want to be here?

Its kind of funny you say this.

I was listening to NhL radio in. The morning last week and they talked about a former player.

To sum it up, he was a player that was good at hockey but didnt actually like the sport, and honestly doesnt follow it at all now since he js out of it.

I get those vibes from Mika. Like he is good at it, and does it because he is good at it. But doesnt really care about it.

Edit: i was defintiely wrong with the original name. Cant remember the name of the player. But it was interesting to listen too.

 

[Fitzy]

I dont want to go back to 2012. I just want to watch a team that gives a f*** on the ice and the Rangers dont give enough of a f***. They haven't since Strome told Quinn to eff off in the media. Even in the playoffs they leave everyone wanting more. Probably the worst thing to happen to this team was Kreider's hat trick in Game 6 against the Canes. If they doesnt happen they absolutely wouldve blown the 3-0 lead. Can you look back on this era and confidently say "the team gave everything they had"?

They have a Hart Trophy guy, a Norris winner, a Vezina winner and a team full of all-stars and 1st round picks. Miss me with the "no talent" narrative. They choked away golden opportunities. At least Hank's team were accountable. I guess Kreider and Mika didnt have that aspect of him rub off.

You got it.

We got half measures in each build. There was not enough talent on any single John Tortorella NYR team to have a good chance at winning the cup.

There isn't nearly enough gumption (To use an antiquated term) on this roster to defeat a forechecking physical opponent.

But there is not an easy way out. We don't have as many 'albatross' contracts as perhaps we once did- but the problem is that a lot of our higher priced players are not big game players. They feast on weak oppositions and blowouts. When a team commits to playing disciplined, physical, and agressive, we're f***ed.

 

[leetch99]

What did he try that was risky? The issue is he played it way too safe and left the entire rotten core together and now it's crumbling down. Don't know how back to back playoffs of watching that core give up and lay down when things got too tough didn't wake Drury up sooner to change it up. At least he realized it early enough this season to potentially do something good.

Getting Kreider and his lack of leadership off this team is the step in the right direction. Hopefully he is able to bring back a good young piece that will be part of the younger core we have.

I dunno....maybe many here are too young to remember but I clearly remember a young and keen Montreal team in 93 who were gung ho to play and led by a fantastic young goalie all the way to a Cup win .

I don't think it is all doom and gloom just yet . We have some really good players ...young players and a 2nd wave in the wings cracking to prove themselves like Othmann-Mancini-Berard and maybe Perreault . So....lets say Drury gets off his fat ass and starts doing his job . I also think we could survive the rest of the year with Lindgren if need be . Trouba though has to be GONE in some way shape or form but just out of here PERIOD . Kreider could finish the season here but he needs to buy in and get off his privileged ass !

I think by moving Captain malcontent that Kreider and Mika will realize life here on this team is not that bad versus the alternatives . We have to tighten up totally as a team and focus on a defense first team and offense 2nd . We do that and we will not need 5 goals a game to win every night , A couple of tweaks on PP 1 will bring it around .. Teams know our moves,....they gotta change it up some nights . Cutting down on the shots against has to be #1 ! Well Drury also has gotta sign Shesty ASAP .... chin up fellows . Go Rangers !!!

 

[NYR Viper]

Part of engaging in the after the whistle stuff is more about an attitude of 'you're not going to push me or my teammates around, no matter when it happens' then it is about being the toughest guy on the block. It rolls over to the way a player fights for 1v1 puck battles, in front of the net, etc. If you're easy to push around it just extends elsewhere.

 

[effen]

Focusing on the D is correct in the long term, but the short term problem is the forwards have stopped defending all over the ice. The only back pressure I saw all night was Brett Berard. Fix that and they stop giving up 43 shots a game.

 

[Machinehead]

You got it.

We got half measures in each build. There was not enough talent on any single John Tortorella NYR team to have a good chance at winning the cup.

There isn't nearly enough gumption (To use an antiquated term) on this roster to defeat a forechecking physical opponent.

But there is not an easy way out. We don't have as many 'albatross' contracts as perhaps we once did- but the problem is that a lot of our higher priced players are not big game players. They feast on weak oppositions and blowouts. When a team commits to playing disciplined, physical, and agressive, we're f***ed.

Guys in the NHL are pros at the highest level. With a decent coach and enough guys doing the right things, 95% of them will buy in.

You either have talent or you don't.

The roster building should only be focused on ability. Let the coach worry about the rest.

If there are bad actors, you cross that bridge when you get to it.

 

[Tob]

Imagine the hell storm over the last 36 hours on your team and rumors the core is lazy and done and you don’g show up to an optional. Take him out back.

 

[Machinehead]

Part of engaging in the after the whistle stuff is more about an attitude of 'you're not going to push me or my teammates around, no matter when it happens' then it is about being the toughest guy on the block. It rolls over to the way a player fights for 1v1 puck battles, in front of the net, etc. If you're easy to push around it just extends elsewhere.

I could see it to an extent, but not always.

Chytil isn't really like that and I love the way he plays.

 

[Atax]

Imagine the hell storm over the last 36 hours on your team and rumors the core is lazy and done and you don’g show up to an optional. Take him out back.

Not sure why its optional at this point.

 

[Tob]

Not sure why its optional at this point.

To sus out the bitches

 

[Mikachu93]

Imagine the hell storm over the last 36 hours on your team and rumors the core is lazy and done and you don’g show up to an optional. Take him out back.

Flat out embarrassing.

 

[McRanger92]

The Rangers should tell Mika to stay home for Thanksgiving and decide how much the team means to him.



You're so persecuted Jacob. I wouldve waived this guy after the game yesterday.

 

[effen]

Imagine the hell storm over the last 36 hours on your team and rumors the core is lazy and done and you don’g show up to an optional. Take him out back.

Adam Fox 155% thinks he's too good for this sort of thing and is a huge part of the problem.