Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[haohmaru]

don't need a bridge
can do Garand most games
Quick most dif ones
Domingue = gap

And, here you are again inserting players into roles that they have no business being in.

Garand has a career save % of .897 and a (NHL) .500 record (really 9 games below .500) in the AHL. That does not scream "STARTING NHL GOALIE" for a competitive NHL, or other, NHL team.

You'd likely ruin his career if you thrust him into a role he's not ready for.

 

[LokiDog]

Mikael Granlund on an anemic Sharks, Mark Scheifele who no one would have moved Zib for in the past, Travis Konecny, 400 year old Anze Kopitar, Anthony Cirelli, Brandon Hagel, 400 year old Ovechkin, recent buyout Duchene, Sean Monahan, waiver/expansion fodder Jared McCann, Ivan Barbashev, Connor McMichael, Mason Marchment, Aliaksei Protas, Kyle Palmieri, Casey Mittelstadt, Stefan Noesen !!!, Peterka, Vilardi, Laferriere, Zetterlund, Garland, Tofolli are just some of the names of the 100 NHL players outproducing #1 PP for life Zibanejad.

Sort by even strength points and you can add names like Pionk, Sandin, Dubois, Appleton, Nick Paul, Sherwood, Cotter, McLeod, Walman, Middleton, Freddy Gaudreau, Martinook, etc. Truly offensive studs.

Get the haul for Panarin at 50%, aggressively work to exchange Zib before the league catches on to his decline, move Lindy while he’s still viewed as a fearless veteran shutdown guy on an affordable expiring deal. Find a home for Trouba this summer. Retool around the remainder plus Perreault, Berard, Sykora and whatever assets Panarin nets.

 

[CTTribe73]

I think I figured out the problem with this team.

The 'core' has been playing together for long enough to know what they are and are not capable of. I think last year's run to the ECF and utter and total inability to compete with the Panthers, combined with Drury's inertia this offseason has left them utterly discouraged and in some ways looking at the season as a form of Bataan Death March before the Sword of Damocles falls on their necks in the second or third round of the playoffs.

Really, this has been the script for every competitive year that the main guys have been together. Longer for Krieder who has been around long enough to have gone through this with the same roster construction mentality but a different superstar goaltender.

It's like they showed up for training camp this year, looked around, saw the EXACT SAME FACES that had produced two consecutive playoff disappointments and said, 'Well, shit, we know how this soap opera is going to end', and that's a terrible mentaility to have when you have to make it through an 82 game grind and perform at a high level to even open the possibility of winning Big Prizes.

In short: They're demoralized and the only thing that will fix that is a bunch of old faces playing in new places point blank period. I put exactly none of this on the head coach-I think he's doing everything in his power to get these guys to pick up their games and has become completely frustrated with his inability to reach them. If it were a bunch of rookies that'd be one thing but these guys are mostly seasoned professionals with track records and thus their performance issues are 100% on them.

At minimum, Mika, Kreider and Trouba need to be off this roster one way or the other. I understand there are cap and....emotional road blocks to that but it's gotta happen. Panarin, IDK, I'm 50/50. And I'll be damned if I know what to do with Igor.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I said it before the season but I always looked at this year as sort of a transition year and that the Rangers should be looking towards 2025 or beyond. They have an opportunity starting next offseason to reconstruct the roster and create an identitity that they can build around. We are just going to have to take it on the chin the rest of this season before that happens.

 

[turcotte8]

I said it before the season but I always looked at this year as sort of a transition year and that the Rangers should be looking towards 2025 or beyond. They have an opportunity starting next offseason to reconstruct the roster and create an identitity that they can build around. We are just going to have to take it on the chin the rest of this season before that happens.

They're gonna trade all our youth at the deadline to "go for it".

 

[Mike in Houston]

Sort by even strength points and you can add names like Pionk, Sandin, Dubois, Appleton, Nick Paul, Sherwood, Cotter, McLeod, Walman, Middleton, Freddy Gaudreau, Martinook, etc. Truly offensive studs.

Remember how this fanbase couldn't wait to get rid of him? And now he's on the best team in the league and playing in all situations. A real contributor. But he wasn't good enough for us.

Brett Howden. Couldn't be fired to the sun fast enough by our fanbase. Cup winner now. And he just got a five year extension.

Can't wait for Ryan Lindgren to go somewhere else and win a Cup while we still sit and wait farting in the wind. Lol!

 

[Boris Zubov]

Remember how this fanbase couldn't wait to get rid of him? And now he's on the best team in the league and playing in all situations. A real contributor. But he wasn't good enough for us.

Brett Howden. Couldn't be fired to the sun fast enough by our fanbase. Cup winner now. And he just got a five year extension.

Can't wait for Ryan Lindgren to go somewhere else and win a Cup while we still sit and wait farting in the wind. Lol!

Lindgren would be fine to keep if, A. his body wasn't already broken & battered from all the punishment he takes from being undersized...and B. we had a strong top 4 in place & we could shelter him on the 3rd pair playing 10 minutes max a night. However we play him like he's a 2 or a 4, when it's obvious to everyone he's no longer suited for that role.

And finally there is C. do you really want to commit long term to him for the 4 or 7 years he's going to want at $5M or so?

 

[LokiDog]

Just some shitty examples of retooling for next year - not advocating for these exact moves, I actually shot low on the acquisitions just to illustrate a potential point.

Zegras - Trochek - Lafreniere
Kreider - Norris - Perreault
Cullye - Chytil - Kakko
Berard - Edstrom - Rempe/Sykora
Fowler - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Jones - Mancini
Shesterkin

Zibanejad + (??) for Norris (reverse Brassard, but they need experience and a shakeup as well). We add, but I don’t know if it’s that unrealistic.

Lindgren for 2nd to some team that stills sees him as a gritty vet #3-4

Trouba + Otthman + 2nd to sunny California for Zegras + Fowler (Ducks need vet leaders and RHD, have tons of LHD)

Some kind of high end top six piece for Panarin, along with other assets, TBD.

26.8M out (assuming we retain 5.8 on Bread).

20.2M in, plus whatever the return for Panarin is. 6.6M in cap space created, plus another 5.8M the following year when Bread’s retention expires.

Upgrade Mancini if you want. Upgrade line 4. Whatever. We’d have a ton of cap space in 26-27 as well.

I don’t know. These players aren’t specific players I want, just an example of retooling.

Here’s another example.

Zib for Severson (CBJ has log jam, Severson is overpaid, but decent)
Trouba for Compher (Trouba to his hometown for an overpaid 3C)

Panarin @50% for Rossi + Middleton + Yurov/Ohgren + 1st. Minnesota is cap strapped but having a great year - Bread at 50% with Kaprizov would be irresistible. Rossi, a good defensive D, a very good prospect in Yurov and another 1st. Maybe there’s a better package out there for Bread at 50% but Minnesota with the cap crunch from Suter/Parise’s buyouts, having the year they are and being able to put Kaprizov and Panarin together seems to make sense. They have a good prospect pool to draw from.

Kreider - Trochek - Lafreniere
Rossi - Chytil - Perreault
Cullye - Compher - Kakko

Middleton - Fox
Miller - Severson
Jones - Schneider


I don’t know. We just gotta change things drastically.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Another way to look at it is a message is sent that the status quo & the BFF mentality is a thing of the past. Maybe these guys wake up when they come to work & one of their buddies is missing. Plus it also shows that the GM is serious about upgrading the defense.

Hard work & good attitude only goes so far. Lindgren has that in spades, but he's a terrible hockey player, yet keeps his spot in the top 4 without fear of consequence. We need to move on from him at some point, why not start ASAP?

That is one way to look at it.
The other way to look at it, as "the team doesn't believe in us" and the team fractures even more.
These types of "shakeup deals" can work, or they can cause an even bigger implosion.

We can't move Mika or CK or Trouba at this point, and they are the biggest offenders.

Just some shitty examples of retooling for next year - not advocating for these exact moves, I actually shot low on the acquisitions just to illustrate a potential point.

Zegras - Trochek - Lafreniere
Kreider - Norris - Perreault
Cullye - Chytil - Kakko
Berard - Edstrom - Rempe/Sykora
Fowler - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Jones - Mancini
Shesterkin

Zibanejad + (??) for Norris (reverse Brassard, but they need experience and a shakeup as well). We add, but I don’t know if it’s that unrealistic.

Lindgren for 2nd

Trouba + Otthman + 2nd to sunny California for Zegras + Fowler (Ducks need vet leaders and RHD, have tons of LHD)

Some kind of high end top six piece for Panarin, along with other assets, TBD.

26.8M out (assuming we retain 5.8 on Bread). Move Smith too to clear another 3.75M.

21.7M in, plus whatever the return for Panarin is.

Upgrade Mancini if you want. Upgrade line 4. Whatever. We’d have a ton of cap space in 26-27 as well.

I don’t know. These players aren’t specific players I want, just an example of retooling.

Here’s another example.

Zib for Severson
Trouba for Compher
Panarin @50% for Rossi + Middleton + Yurov/Ohgren + 1st. Minnesota is cap strapped but having a great year - Bread at 50% with Kaprizov would be irresistible.

Kreider - Trochek - Lafreniere
Rossi - Chytil - Perreault
Cullye - Compher - Kakko

Middleton - Fox
Miller - Severson
Jones - Schneider


I don’t know. We just gotta change things drastically.

just to note. Smith is a pending ufa.

 

[NYR Viper]

I wonder if a trade of Panarin would open up more offense from Zibanejad, especially on the PP. that might be a 4D chess move. Trade Panarin for a haul, let Zibanejad get more reps on the PP to up his value, trade him next.

When the cap increases that cap hit he has won’t be THAT bad for a 2C honestly. Look around. Just wait for the contracts handed out to the centers in next year market.

 

[Boris Zubov]

That is one way to look at it.
The other way to look at it, as "the team doesn't believe in us" and the team fractures even more.
These types of "shakeup deals" can work, or they can cause an even bigger implosion.

We can't move Mika or CK or Trouba at this point, and they are the biggest offenders.

Ok but they've had several kicks at the can & they've proven they are not good enough to win it all as presently constructed. Who cares what the locker room thinks after what they've shown in the first 1/4 of the season. If they want more confidence from management they should work harder & play better. Something's gotta give. How many times are we going to be subjected to this same rerun?

CK can easily be moved if they choose to...so could Trouba. They both have a list of teams that they can't block trades to. Having the stones to do it is another issue, but they can be moved. Drury chose not to be a mercinary with Trouba, it was a mistake. That doesn't mean he can't change his mind.

Kreider is a tougher conversation. Shipping him out would signal a huge shift in the organizations' thinking & would probably sink the season. However I would have NO issue with it, because again, this team needs a new direction forward.

Mika I get...he's here for the duration. I have zero expectations about being able to rid ourselves of him, sadly.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Ok but they've had several kicks at the can & they've proven they are not good enough to win it all as presently constructed. Who cares what the locker room thinks after what they've shown in the first 1/4 of the season. If they want more confidence from management they should work harder & play better. Something's gotta give. How many times are we going to be subjected to this same rerun?

CK can easily be moved if they choose to...so could Trouba. They both have a list of teams that they can't block trades to. Having the stones to do it is another issue, but they can be moved. Drury chose not to be a mercinary with Trouba, it was a mistake. That doesn't mean he can't change his mind.

Kreider is a tougher conversation. Shipping him out would signal a huge shift in the organizations' thinking & would probably sink the season. However I would have NO issue with it, because again, this team needs a new direction forward.

Mika I get...he's here for the duration. I have zero expectations about being able to rid ourselves of him, sadly.

Most of the teams Trouba and CK probably put on their list, have zero cap space now.
So you're looking at money in/money out.

So you're probably not getting anything for them. Hence why those trades happen between seasons.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Just some shitty examples of retooling for next year - not advocating for these exact moves, I actually shot low on the acquisitions just to illustrate a potential point.

Zegras - Trochek - Lafreniere
Kreider - Norris - Perreault
Cullye - Chytil - Kakko
Berard - Edstrom - Rempe/Sykora
Fowler - Fox
Miller - Schneider
Jones - Mancini
Shesterkin

Zibanejad + (??) for Norris (reverse Brassard, but they need experience and a shakeup as well). We add, but I don’t know if it’s that unrealistic.

Lindgren for 2nd to some team that stills sees him as a gritty vet #3-4

Trouba + Otthman + 2nd to sunny California for Zegras + Fowler (Ducks need vet leaders and RHD, have tons of LHD)

Some kind of high end top six piece for Panarin, along with other assets, TBD.

26.8M out (assuming we retain 5.8 on Bread).

20.2M in, plus whatever the return for Panarin is. 6.6M in cap space created, plus another 5.8M the following year when Bread’s retention expires.

Upgrade Mancini if you want. Upgrade line 4. Whatever. We’d have a ton of cap space in 26-27 as well.

I don’t know. These players aren’t specific players I want, just an example of retooling.

Here’s another example.

Zib for Severson (CBJ has log jam, Severson is overpaid, but decent)
Trouba for Compher (Trouba to his hometown for an overpaid 3C)

Panarin @50% for Rossi + Middleton + Yurov/Ohgren + 1st. Minnesota is cap strapped but having a great year - Bread at 50% with Kaprizov would be irresistible. Rossi, a good defensive D, a very good prospect in Yurov and another 1st. Maybe there’s a better package out there for Bread at 50% but Minnesota with the cap crunch from Suter/Parise’s buyouts, having the year they are and being able to put Kaprizov and Panarin together seems to make sense. They have a good prospect pool to draw from.

Kreider - Trochek - Lafreniere
Rossi - Chytil - Perreault
Cullye - Compher - Kakko

Middleton - Fox
Miller - Severson
Jones - Schneider


I don’t know. We just gotta change things drastically.

Zegras does nothing. Another bad defensive forward that when he isn't scoring is useless. Do the Rangers need a center version of Panarin. Give me McTavish instead

 

[JimmyG89]

Would love to see him get the call up. You need a spark and Berard is going to work his ass off.

 

[NYR Viper]

Berard is the type of player who would help with his playing style for sure. He’s all energy all the time

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Berard is the type of player who would help with his playing style for sure. He’s all energy all the time

until he gets benched for making the vets look bad

 

[LokiDog]

Zegras does nothing. Another bad defensive forward that when he isn't scoring is useless. Do the Rangers need a center version of Panarin. Give me McTavish instead

I’d kill for McT. I was trying to be mildly realistic about the returns we could get - McT isn’t one of them. The first line of my post was “some shitty examples” of retooling lol I just want to get a haul for Bread at the absolute peak of his value, which IMO is while he’s still a top 5 producing winger in the league and has TWO post season runs left on his deal. Trouba and Zib I just want out of here. Lindgren, if he would re-sign for 3x3 I’d be fine with playing as our 3rd pair and PK guy, but he won’t so I figure we should get some asset in return before his contract expires, while other teams still view him as a reliable playoff warrior. I don’t actually care what the trades are, as long as Zib and Trouba are moved. Bread, I simply think is a massive value with 2 years left, and our best chance to get a legitimate center prospect plus.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

Would love to see him get the call up. You need a spark and Berard is going to work his ass off.

They just said during the Hartford game that Berard was called up to NYR.

RANGERS RECALL BRETT BERARD, ASSIGN CHAD RUHWEDEL AND VICTOR MANCINI TO WOLF PACK | Hartford Wolf Pack

www.hartfordwolfpack.com

 

[SA16]

Wish we kept berard in Hartford. Why risk calling him up and ruining him in this toxic environment?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Wish we kept berard in Hartford. Why risk calling him up and ruining him in this toxic environment?

It's so hard sometimes to tell when you're being sarcastic.

 

[NYR Viper]

Who is Berard going to play for? That’s the real question

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Who is Berard going to play for? That’s the real question

Hopefully they scratch Kreider.

 

[alkurtz]

Entirely too much psychoanalyzing here.

It's simple: too many veterans sliding past their peak.

Too many young players not developing as we had hoped.

It's a bad situation with little hope for immediate improvement. It's hard to make hockey trades in the cap era. All you would be doing would be trading our underachievers for another team's underachievers.

It's been a good run. I still expect this team to make the playoffs and perhaps win a round. But they are no longer an elite team.

Nobody's fault: this is a natural cycle that teams go through.

Doesn't make it easy to go through except if you adjust your realistic expectations.

 

[McRanger92]

watchability and winning hockey are not the same thing. They can overlap, but boring defensive hockey wins games. Don't tell me the Rangers are ineffective. They've won more games than anyone, by being boring and defensive and opportunistic.

If you want truculence because that makes it a better product, own that - i can respect it.

But truculence and heart are also not the same thing. They can overlap. Rangers don't need Tkachuk to face wash other teams guys and distract them. They need their top players to commit to playing with deuce and physicality.

also i disagree that Miller needs to go. He does so much out there that works well.

The Rangers lose the mental game against teams that get in their face. Rempe mitigated that. The Rangers go a week without a big scrum in front of the nets because the team doesn’t have each others backs when things go sideways.

 

[LokiDog]

Entirely too much psychoanalyzing here.

It's simple: too many veterans sliding past their peak.

Too many young players not developing as we had hoped.

It's a bad situation with little hope for immediate improvement. It's hard to make hockey trades in the cap era. All you would be doing would be trading our underachievers for another team's underachievers.

It's been a good run. I still expect this team to make the playoffs and perhaps win a round. But they are no longer an elite team.

Nobody's fault: this is a natural cycle that teams go through.

Doesn't make it easy to go through except if you adjust your realistic expectations.

Even if that’s true and it’s that simple, than it’s still time to start moving the over 30 crowd and beginning to retool around the younger guys like Fox and Schneider and Laffy. If we’re agreeing the vets have slid past their prime and we aren’t going to be able to get over the hump with this group, what is the argument for keeping them? Maximize their returns by moving them now while the perception around the league is still positive. Retain on Panarin and get an actual A level return. Move guys while GMs who don’t watch us nightly still view them as solid veteran leaders. Or should we just sit and watch them all fizzle out pathetically while we waste Fox and Shesterkin’s entire primes and relive the failings of the Lundqvist era to the T?