Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[eco's bones]

The Rangers having 3 lines that can score and enough players to play in their top 9 is a real thing. Sure not everyone is going to get power play time. But it's something that all teams should strive to have. Cuylle doesn't make or necessarily make Kreider expendable.....he's just coming into his own as a really really good NHL player but I want three scoring lines in April and hopefully May and June. It makes a team much harder to defend against. It also kind of says to me that barring some major season ending injury to one of these guys we won't have to be looking for a top end forward at the deadline and so can save some of our other assets instead of trading them off for a rental. The Mika line needs to step it up a bit though and Panarin's line has been a little quiet lately too.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I think it would be a lot closer than you think given ottawa’s situation and their respective contracts


This was annoying to read. that aside, there are no dmen rentals the same quality as chychrun and hanifin unfortunately

They literally just need two NHL caliber D men to fill out the bottom 2 pairs. Play both equally and roll Fox-Miller for half the game

 

[RangersFan1994]

Kreider is not redundant, because he's the best re-direct man in the league and it's not close. It's the job for Lavy to frankly fix the PP around him.

He's worth the caphit, when we fix that PP. And he will be a part of it.

Kreider should retire a Ranger. He is a playoff player for a reason. Leads Rangers in playoff goal history. He at least knows how to score when it counts. His cap hit with the cap going up, should not be an issue. He does so much off the ice and helps the younger Rangers. I still dont get why he did not want the captaincy. Acts more of a captain than Trouba. I’d trade Kakko, Mika, Lindgren Trouba Miller before Kreider. Unless it is a legit overpay, which won’t happen, it won’t match what Kreider meant to the Rangers.

 

[gump116]

Kreider should retire a Ranger. He is a playoff player for a reason. Leads Rangers in playoff goal history. He at least knows how to score when it counts. His cap hit with the cap going up, should not be an issue. He does so much off the ice and helps the younger Rangers. I still dont get why he did not want the captaincy. Acts more of a captain than Trouba. I’d trade Kakko, Mika, Lindgren Trouba Miller before Kreider. Unless it is a legit overpay, which won’t happen, it won’t match what Kreider meant to the Rangers.

This. Kreider seems a bit checked out in a regular season game against Calgary and honestly that’s fine. He knows it’s a long season and what matters is the playoffs and he tends to step it up in big games.

 

[RangersFan1994]

This. Kreider seems a bit checked out in a regular season game against Calgary and honestly that’s fine. He knows it’s a long season and what matters is the playoffs and he tends to step it up in big games.

Agreed and his skating is a threat although Rangers aren't a fast skating team which has to improve. Fox i wish was better at skating.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I imagine machinehead hunting down each poster via IP address with all of the Kreider slander

 

[CLW]

This. Kreider seems a bit checked out in a regular season game against Calgary and honestly that’s fine. He knows it’s a long season and what matters is the playoffs and he tends to step it up in big games.

This is true. It's also true that Kreider and his line hasn't played that well in the playoffs at ES. This team has several issues at ES, one of which is that the team veterans simply are not playing well at ES in general. Why? Is it the system? Is it coaching? Is it line balance? Is it "saving themselves for the playoffs"? We know from years of failure in the playoffs that this team cannot kinda fraud their way to a cup win by winging it with a solid power play to cover weak fundamentals.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Provorov @EdJovanovski

Forgot about him. Might be expensive but Drury should go all in on him

 

[Ruggs225]

This is true. It's also true that Kreider and his line hasn't played that well in the playoffs at ES. This team has several issues at ES, one of which is that the team veterans simply are not playing well at ES in general. Why? Is it the system? Is it coaching? Is it line balance? Is it "saving themselves for the playoffs"? We know from years of failure in the playoffs that this team cannot kinda fraud their way to a cup win by winging it with a solid power play to cover weak fundamentals.

Its him. It always has been. He is completely streaky. He had a monster game last playoffs that clouds the fact he was absolute garbage in ECF.

Its what he does. He comes up huge at key times, which clouds the fact he comes up invisible at other key times.

Right now he is a 3rd lineer who is a special teams star. Unfortunately our coach will play him like he is gretzky during the playoffs instead of players who are actually good 5on5

 

[CLW]

Its him. It always has been. He is completely streaky. He had a monster game last playoffs that clouds the fact he was absolute garbage in ECF.

Its what he does. He comes up huge at key times, which clouds the fact he comes up invisible at other key times.

Right now he is a 3rd lineer who is a special teams star. Unfortunately our coach will play him like he is gretzky during the playoffs instead of players who are actually good 5on5

That is a coaching problem more than a player problem. Every player has his strengths and weaknesses.

 

[MrAlmost]

Given no penalties, my lineup would be:

Panarin-Trocheck-Laf 19 mins
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko 17 mins
Kreider-Z-Smith 14 mins
Edstrom-Carrick-Vesey 10 mins

Miller-Fox 26 mins
Schneider-Trouba 17 mins
Jones-Mancini 17 mins

Trade Lindgren for whatever. I'd also keep an eye on Ottawa, Boston, Nashville, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo. Among others of course, but those teams are gonna do something and you better be around when they do cause ya might get to make them do something dumb. Real dumb.

 

[Crease]

So the Rangers are currently carrying 13 forwards and 8 defensemen?

 

[Ruggs225]

That is a coaching problem more than a player problem. Every player has his strengths and weaknesses.

True, but if u trade the player it goes out of the coaches hands.

Kreider is a deprectiating asset at this point. However, u can probably get back a significant haul for him. All the while the team could actually improve 5on5.

His value is more of his past, than his present or future.

Time for the team to then the page. Let the kids lead and play.

He is not the solution.

To add: u dont win a cup in this league by hanging on to emotions. Sometimes u need to be cuthhroat. Vegas and florida both were.

 

[noncents]

this team is better with Kreider on it. should it be a 3rd liner and special teams ace? yeah pretty clearly. but thats deployment

 

[IDvsEGO]

True, but if u trade the player it goes out of the coaches hands.

Kreider is a deprectiating asset at this point. However, u can probably get back a significant haul for him. All the while the team could actually improve 5on5.

His value is more of his past, than his present or future.

Time for the team to then the page. Let the kids lead and play.

He is not the solution.

To add: u dont win a cup in this league by hanging on to emotions. Sometimes u need to be cuthhroat. Vegas and florida both were.

Depreciating asset with another 2 years after this at 6.5
Even a decrease in points to 55-60, he's still paid appropriately. He's still fantastic net front on the PP.

Theres being ruthless and missing the point.
You trade players who are overvalued, not undervalued.

Unless you're getting a massive overpay you're not getting a fair market return for CK.
You'd need an ELC Stud to potentially make losing CK worth it.
Which isn't happening. No team is trading a top 5 pick for CK because none of the teams who picked top 5 are even close to wanting CK yet.

 

[Ruggs225]

Depreciating asset with another 2 years after this at 6.5
Even a decrease in points to 55-60, he's still paid appropriately. He's still fantastic net front on the PP.

Theres being ruthless and missing the point.
You trade players who are overvalued, not undervalued.

Unless you're getting a massive overpay you're not getting a fair market return for CK.
You'd need an ELC Stud to potentially make losing CK worth it.
Which isn't happening. No team is trading a top 5 pick for CK because none of the teams who picked top 5 are even close to wanting CK yet.

He is on pace for 40 pts. No way he hits 60 this year. maybe 50. Especially since this team never gets PPs anymore.

And he is awful 5on5. I get the sentimental aspect for some people. But he is not an all-star. Far from it at this point.

And i wouldnt trade him just to trade him. I would want a 1st and a top prospect or youngish LD (like 26ish) that can play top 4.

And i dont think that is far fetched to get either.

All depends on who he has on his NtC. Maybe u can get a Detroit, ottawa, buffalo to massively overpay as they are desperate to make playoffs.

We still are a playoff team without him, and are just as likely to lose in the first or second round with or without him.

 

[McRanger92]

this team is better with Kreider on it. should it be a 3rd liner and special teams ace? yeah pretty clearly. but thats deployment

Agreed, but in the summer if there is a money decision between Kreider and a younger player like Cuylle/Kakko he's the odd man out.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

this team is better with Kreider on it. should it be a 3rd liner and special teams ace? yeah pretty clearly. but thats deployment

That’s the thing this team will never have the scrote to downgrade 93 and 20 , they run the show

 

[duhmetreE]

Bottom line…. You can’t suck down the middle in any sport and win championships.

As a team, we suck at attacking and defending the middle. Until that is changed, whether it be personnel and/or coaching, it will be more of the same.

We also can’t do basic things well

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Bottom line…. You can’t suck down the middle in any sport and win championships.

As a team, we suck at attacking and defending the middle. Until that is changed, whether it be personnel and/or coaching, it will be more of the same.

We also can’t do basic things well

Interesting theory, but how would that be tracked? Possession time between the hash marks perhaps?

 

[cheech70]

If Leetch can get traded so can 20. Any 1st rd pick above 20 does it for me. Then in 2028 we will kiss and make up and hire 20 as a 200k per year good will ambassador and retire his number. Business is business...love is for families.

 

[Ruggs225]

Interesting theory, but how would that be tracked? Possession time between the hash marks perhaps?

I mean the eye test her tells u what u need. But also high danger chances between the dots would do.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I mean the eye test her tells u what u need. But also high danger chances between the dots would do.

Agreed on the eye test but I would imagine there are analytics that could track that theory as well.

 

[GAGLine]

So the Rangers are currently carrying 13 forwards and 8 defensemen?

Yes. We are still accruing cap space, but we should send someone down if we are hoping to do anything significant at the deadline.

 

[DackellDuck]

Tkachuk already has one foot out the door, Ottawa would be all over that. Laf is signed long term and he’s somewhat local.

As a Sens fan, a trade like this would obviously only happen in the summer. But if Ottawa misses again (looking likely), I think that's exactly the trade they'd try to make.

Maybe if the Rangers underwhelm in the playoffs, they see if bringing in a Tkachuk gives them a spark. It worked for Florida...

Obviously if the Rangers go on a great run or win the cup they don't do it, because why fix what's not broken. And if the Sens somehow get their shit together and make the playoffs, they also don't do it.