Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[KirkAlbuquerque]

As good as he his, giving Igor his 8 year 12 m deal will destroy this franchise. It will be so over.

 

[zlev]

Miller for Zegras. Who says no?

Miller can be the long term 1D for a team with a few ex-teammates and no pressure. Zegras can come back home and get serious about his preparation under Kreider's wing. Also protects us from future Chytil injuries. Both guys need a change of scenery bad.

Zegras is f***ing awful and that would leave a huge hole on LD.

it's funny that the guy posting in every thread that the team needs to "man up" and "play more physical" and "play through the whistle" (whatever the f*** that means) wants to trade for the most roller hockey player in the league.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

this is heresy and would never happen but id move lindgren and othmann for zegras and then move perreault for a stud ELC left Dman.

Yes

 

[cheech70]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857216445945377067

Reason for the Malaise?
1- Trouba offseason after effects...his media interaction has been bare minimium
2- Mika double standard....playing time is not matching performance..Lavy is handcuffed
3- Trocheck is under paid and now is conserving his energy...why should he crash boards
4- 55 is shot...79 is low IQ player..Foxy is bored
If this continues they will make playoffs barely and be a quick out...Lavy fired...rinse... repeat

 

[LokiDog]

The Ducks are pretty loaded with young talent. Everyone talks about Zegras because he’s from NY and there’s smoke about him not being happy in Anaheim, but if I was going to actually offer - as Bern would say - our bluest blue chips, I’d be aggressively trying to pry McTavish loose. Zegras might blossom on a better team but I really don’t think he solves anything for us at all. Talent hasn’t really been our problem.

 

[noncents]

The Ducks are pretty loaded with young talent. Everyone talks about Zegras because he’s from NY and there’s smoke about him not being happy in Anaheim, but if I was going to actually offer - as Bern would say - our bluest blue chips, I’d be aggressively trying to pry McTavish loose. Zegras might blossom on a better team but I really don’t think he solves anything for us at all. Talent hasn’t really been our problem.

McT ain't goin nowhere.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857216445945377067

Reason for the Malaise?
1- Trouba offseason after effects...his media interaction has been bare minimium
2- Mika double standard....playing time is not matching performance..Lavy is handcuffed
3- Trocheck is under paid and now is conserving his energy...why should he crash boards
4- 55 is shot...79 is low IQ player..Foxy is bored
If this continues they will make playoffs barely and be a quick out...Lavy fired...rinse... repeat

maybe they're upset about goodrow beibg traded

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I remember last year a lot of people saying other than Forsling the Panthers don't have any great defensemen. The Oilers have an even worse defense. The Penguins of the mid 2010s didn't have a dominant D. Where does this come from that we're fatally flawed and every other team is perfect?

 

[Savant]

I remember last year a lot of people saying other than Forsling the Panthers don't have any great defensemen. The Oilers have an even worse defense. The Penguins of the mid 2010s didn't have a dominant D. Where does this come from that we're fatally flawed and every other team is perfect?

The Penguins had Crosby and Malkin. The Oilers have McDavid and Draisaitl

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Why is “less testosterone” a proxy for “lazy” in your post? Sexism is lazy. Work harder.

And before you say something like “don’t be so easily offended”—I’m not offended. I just don’t want you to make the rest of your argument, which has some merit, appear…flaccid.

If you find yourself surrounded by flaccidy, yours or otherwise, maybe you could work harder as well?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The Penguins had Crosby and Malkin. The Oilers have McDavid and Draisaitl

The Panthers had neither.

 

[noncents]

I remember last year a lot of people saying other than Forsling the Panthers don't have any great defensemen. The Oilers have an even worse defense. The Penguins of the mid 2010s didn't have a dominant D. Where does this come from that we're fatally flawed and every other team is perfect?

we don't have a mediocre defense, we have a very bad one. we've just never seen how bad bc we have a stud goalie

 

[bernmeister]

You need to face the fact that Vesey brings more to the table then Rempe. Let Rempe develop in Hartford.

no
I don't mind admitting I'm wrong when that is actually the case, but that is NOT the situation here.
Rempe will not get max benefit development in the A.
He needs max mins here = reg 4th line mins = 10ish per nite.
He can supplement by having a specialist skating tutor do extra training w/him to target his development.

We want Rempe available for the POs and the above is most direct, smartest way to likely achieve that.
The A will not cut it.

We need Rempe, Edstrom + Kreider all kicking on all cylinders to get past FL

you need to learn with the bern

I mentioned Fowler and Zegras for Lindgren, Othmann and a 1st this past summer. I think that's a good trade. Like I said then, you can't rely on Chytil. At any position, but especially Center. Even if he is OK, I'd still make this trade.

do not want Fowler and even tho a late 1st, these need be saved unless return is too good
this is NOT it

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Your views on his skill is very debatable, but the problem is if he ever comes here, it's to play RW. He's hardly a C even for the Ducks.

He's got skill up the yin yang, he'll never be what people expect him to be. See Zherdev.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I like the idea, Buffalo is a good target. They're looking to shake things up, but I don't know that they'd trade him given they just traded their 9th overall selection for him. I think Krebs would be a really solid target though. Tage and Cozens are their 1 and 2 over there. They brought in McLeod, he's getting more minutes. A large chunk of Krebs' time in Buffalo has been on the 4th line, they've pretty much relegated him to that role. I think there's some untapped potential in him, cheap contract... he's not going to be playing with scrubs over here.

I liked Barbashev in St Louis when he was stuck on their bottom line for years. He's a top 6er now. Sam Bennett was in a similar situation in Calgary. Florida's #2 center now. Aside from Krebs I think there's a few young guys in that position right now.

Jack Drury in Carolina is stuck behind Aho, Kotkaniemi and Staal. He's talented. But I kinda doubt Drury would trade for his own nephew.

If Nashville starts to tear it down they have a treasure trove of pieces. They've been awful with their young players. Tomasino has been a healthy scratch. Change of scenery scenario there. I know he's played wing at the NHL level but I wouldn't be afraid to move him back down the middle. You could go the veteran route. O'Reilly would be a home run. I like Tommy Novak, but he's another one that has some injury concerns. Both cheap contracts.

Mavrik Bourque (DAL) and Hendrix Lapierre (WSH) are both 2020 1st rounders. Both talented, limited usage, healthy scratches this year. They're turning 23 within the next few months. Still plenty young, but the time is ticking. They're a wild card, they're not proven players at this level. Marat Khusnutdinov (MIN) is in the same boat. Same draft year. But he's also a kid that seems tailor-made for a bottom 6 role if the offense doesn't translate

Ya unfortunately we can't count on Fil being healthy anymore, it sucks, his skill set and speed is needed here but i think they need to figure out a way to get a replacement especially since Zibanejad is having issues

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

no
I don't mind admitting I'm wrong when that is actually the case, but that is NOT the situation here.
Rempe will not get max benefit development in the A.
He needs max mins here = reg 4th line mins = 10ish per nite.
He can supplement by having a specialist skating tutor do extra training w/him to target his development.

We want Rempe available for the POs and the above is most direct, smartest way to likely achieve that.
The A will not cut it.

We need Rempe, Edstrom + Kreider all kicking on all cylinders to get past FL

you need to learn with the bern


do not want Fowler and even tho a late 1st, these need be saved unless return is too good
this is NOT it

He showed he was clearly not ready before they sent him down. How does 4th line minutes vs tougher competition help him develop faster than 2nd line minutes in the AHL? Failed logic. Vesey has a proven history of being a better player along with current play being better. You are objectively wrong as often happens.

 

[bernmeister]

For all of the people who were shitting on Brodzinski to start the year and saying they should waive him and 'who cares if he is claimed!?!', eat your crow.

Brodz can stay
Vesey must go

The ship be sinking..Lavy is stuck and if he gets tough they will tune him out further. I would clean house. Igor, Trocheck,Kreider, Lindgren all for futures. Easy 3ea 1st rders coming back plus more picks and youth. Cap space will be wide open and then sign players who win in the playoffs. Its boring looking at this team playing harlem globetrotter hockey. Drury needs to do some major renovation before he is axed. DO NOT GIVE IGOR 11.5M!!!!!

Kreider and particularly Tro stay; to even entertain an offer on either the return would have to be severe overpayment.

Lindy should have been sold high like I said 3/+ seasons ago.
Nobody listened, and now again, we see I was right, the win now instant gratification crowd was/is wrong

Shesty has to ultimately be moved
Let's be smart about it
If we get a good enuf deal now, then fine.
If not, we can do 12.2 x 5 and deal him later, provided again, listen to bern, NO FUGGIN NMCs ever, to anyone, for any reason. NTCs are sufficient

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The ship be sinking..Lavy is stuck and if he gets tough they will tune him out further. I would clean house. Igor, Trocheck,Kreider, Lindgren all for futures. Easy 3ea 1st rders coming back plus more picks and youth. Cap space will be wide open and then sign players who win in the playoffs. Its boring looking at this team playing harlem globetrotter hockey. Drury needs to do some major renovation before he is axed. DO NOT GIVE IGOR 11.5M!!!!!

Jeff Gorton was right, he was slowly walking the rebuild and keeping draftpicks. Drury unloaded a ton of picks since he got here and now we're looking around wondering why we have little high end players to backfill with.

 

[Guyute]

Your views on his skill is very debatable, but the problem is if he ever comes here, it's to play RW. He's hardly a C even for the Ducks.

No, it's the other way around. He's much, much better at center than LW.

Another thing to note is the following:

If Zegras works out well here, great! We just added another top 6 C after losing one in Chytil (but hopefully Fil is ok). His contract is up next summer when Panarin's $11.6 comes off the books.

If it's a mixed bag, he shouldn't be expensive to re-sign.

If it doesn't work out, then we can sign him for 1 more year to bring him to UFA or let him go elsewhere. Maybe a certain #97 won't re-sign with Edmonton.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1857216445945377067

Reason for the Malaise?
1- Trouba offseason after effects...his media interaction has been bare minimium
2- Mika double standard....playing time is not matching performance..Lavy is handcuffed
3- Trocheck is under paid and now is conserving his energy...why should he crash boards
4- 55 is shot...79 is low IQ player..Foxy is bored
If this continues they will make playoffs barely and be a quick out...Lavy fired...rinse... repeat

Phil Housley...time for a new d coach.

 

[Savant]

The Panthers had neither.

The Panthers had no state income tax

 

[bernmeister]

The Ducks are pretty loaded with young talent. Everyone talks about Zegras because he’s from NY and there’s smoke about him not being happy in Anaheim, but if I was going to actually offer - as Bern would say - our bluest blue chips, I’d be aggressively trying to pry McTavish loose. Zegras might blossom on a better team but I really don’t think he solves anything for us at all. Talent hasn’t really been our problem.

kudos for grasping value of bluest blue chips, and that same should not be squandered, but retained except for other primo blue chips, pref true foundation pieces

That said, shoe on the other foot. McT is not being dealt, a crazy offer notwithstanding.

Like I said 5 for 5 deal,
KAM + Othmann + Lindgren + Robertson + Vesey
for
Zegras + Vatrano + Helleson + 2 larger LDs (forgot names)

What, EdJo, you didn't like my post #2147?

 

[zlev]

if Chytil is out long term i want Crosby

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Let's redo the brassard trade, Mika for Pinto

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

if Chytil is out long term i want Crosby

I know he is good but I would hate seeing Crosby in a Rangers jersey.

 

[Fitzy]

if Chytil is out long term i want Crosby

You must not care for Gabriel Perreault