Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[haohmaru]

Yeah, no.

I respect your right to your opinion.
That said, my views on how they should deal long term generally work.

I said trade Buch early on when he had value b'c he still had term
I said no on wasteful rentals
etc
etc
etc

don't get em all right, no one does
but extending current window IS their best path now
and coupla big deals are needed for that

if smaller options are not better [judge each situation separately on merit]
then go big or go home

Which has no relation whatsoever to the ludicrously unrealistic trades you propose that will never happen.

And almost NOBODY liked the Buch deal so that’s not one I’d hang my hat on.

 

[TGWL]

Which has no relation whatsoever to the ludicrously unrealistic trades you propose that will never happen.

And almost NOBODY liked the Buch deal so that’s not one I’d hang my hat on.

Yeah, I'd argue his value was probably high when the trade took place, it just we got taken to the wood shed on the actual trade.

 

[Mandar]

Which has no relation whatsoever to the ludicrously unrealistic trades you propose that will never happen.

And almost NOBODY liked the Buch deal so that’s not one I’d hang my hat on.

Mic Drop......

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I mean we all are probably happy that Goodrow is gone, but pretty sure his departure had some impact here.

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Yeah the PK is garbage. You would think the Rongos would notice that they absolutely tear apart passive PK’s and struggle against the aggressive ones, maybe that would also apply to our own PK?? Nahhh

 

[bernmeister]

Which has no relation whatsoever to the ludicrously unrealistic trades you propose that will never happen.

And almost NOBODY liked the Buch deal so that’s not one I’d hang my hat on.

Yeah, I'd argue his value was probably high when the trade took place, it just we got taken to the wood shed on the actual trade.

Mic Drop......

respectfully disagree
yeah Buch had increased production evident later on when we dealt him
BUT
when that happened, his term was a sliver of rfa status

obv, we could have gotten more if he had less production but still showed upside potential while being offered more cheaply for longer term = greater value

given that reality, and fact we failed to make a deal earlier b'c we self rented Buch in win now posture when it was obvious to a blind man we were not gonna be cup finalists, value was not highest when we dealt him and we were lucky to get what we did under those misfire circumstances

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my props are arguably doable from a value standpoint at minimum
so not "ludicrously unrealistic"
howev, this misassessment is to be expected from someone who views Vesey as > than Rempe

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Oilers come to Drury with this offer:
McDavid 50% retained for Kakko + Rempe.


Bern’s response : “Absolutely not! No youth for vets!”






Just pullin your boob m8

 

[TGWL]

respectfully disagree
yeah Buch had increased production evident later on when we dealt him
BUT
when that happened, his term was a sliver of rfa status

obv, we could have gotten more if he had less production but still showed upside potential while being offered more cheaply for longer term = greater value

given that reality, and fact we failed to make a deal earlier b'c we self rented Buch in win now posture when it was obvious to a blind man we were not gonna be cup finalists, value was not highest when we dealt him and we were lucky to get what we did under those misfire circumstances

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my props are arguably doable from a value standpoint at minimum
so not "ludicrously unrealistic"
howev, this misassessment is to be expected from someone who views Vesey as > than Rempe

You don't just trade players away because you fear value may drop when the decision comes to actually trade him. You can't get in front of every situation just to make sure highest value was gotten on every trade. We all know players can't play prime years forever. Teams can't make decisions based on that player not being worth as much a year or 2 down the line, especially teams that want to compete.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1854560629106851922

Torts is already souring on Michkov. What would we have to offer to bring him here to play with Panarin?

Tomorrow’s Headline:

John Tortorella Fired:

NY Post Headline:
Torts Toast!

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Please make it stop.

JetBlue is having some pretty good sales these days.
I hear the internet is pretty spotty in parts of the Cayman Islands.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Oilers come to Drury with this offer:
McDavid 50% retained for Kakko + Rempe.


Bern’s response : “Absolutely not! No youth for vets!”






Just pullin your boob m8

This place is turning into Utter chaos.


Thank you, I’ll see myself out.

 

[Kords]

IGOR!??

 

[LOFIN]

Yeah whatever do it. Might regret it later. The Rangers way.

OR maybe it's Kakko 11.5x8

 

[Vitto79]

Yeah whatever do it. Might regret it later. The Rangers way.

OR maybe it's Kakko 11.5x8

I hope it’s 5 yrs max

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I hope it’s 5 yrs max

It’s 8

 

[Kords]

Interestingly that would still be less than Panarin (rightfully so)

 

[LOFIN]

Interestingly that would still be less than Panarin (rightfully so)

AAV wise, yes. Not for the whole contract.

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

Interestingly that would still be less than Panarin (rightfully so)

Must mean Panarin's gone?

 

[Vitto79]

It’s 8

Prove it lol

It all depends how good he is X yrs into his deal

 

[The Crypto Guy]

IGOR!??

GO GO GO!! SIGN IT PLEASE!@

 

[haohmaru]

my props are arguably doable from a value standpoint at minimum
so not "ludicrously unrealistic"
howev, this misassessment is to be expected from someone who views Vesey as > than Rempe

Every GM in the NHL would view Vesey as a better player than Rempe right now. Every. Single. One.

Want to revisit in a few years? Fair enough. Impact to a lineup TODAY and it's not close.

As to the "ludicrously unrealistic" let's take your proposal above:

"
1. Rs - Ds
KAM, Othmann, Lindgren, Vesey, Robertson
for
Zegras, Vatrano, Vaakanainen, Dumoulin, Helleson"

In the salary cap era (2005 - present) please point out ANY 10 player swaps between two teams that have occurred.

Next, please point out where a team that was actually in the top 5-6 to actually win a Stanley cup did such a thing.

You can't. Because it's UNREALISTIC.

 

[Irishguy42]

IGOR!??

Rempe

 

[RempireStateBuilding]

Every GM in the NHL would view Vesey as a better player than Rempe right now. Every. Single. One.

Want to revisit in a few years? Fair enough. Impact to a lineup TODAY and it's not close.

As to the "ludicrously unrealistic" let's take your proposal above:

"
1. Rs - Ds
KAM, Othmann, Lindgren, Vesey, Robertson
for
Zegras, Vatrano, Vaakanainen, Dumoulin, Helleson"

In the salary cap era (2005 - present) please point out ANY 10 player swaps between two teams that have occurred.

Next, please point out where a team that was actually in the top 5-6 to actually win a Stanley cup did such a thing.

You can't. Because it's UNREALISTIC.

Utah and Arizona just swapped entire teams. There were like 25+ players involved. Keep up.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Rempe

11.5 TOI in 2024-25?