Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[NYRFANMANI]

Let's assume Zibs actually waives. No team is gonna take the full cap hit. They'd want retention.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Let's assume Zibs actually waives. No team is gonna take the full cap hit. They'd want retention.

Pld got moved. Mika is still playing better than pld last year.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Pld got moved. Mika is still playing better than pld last year.

That's like saying Daniel Jones is better than Tommy DeVito

 

[IDvsEGO]

That's like saying Daniel Jones is better than Tommy DeVito

Pld is actually playing well.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Pld is actually playing well.

Then your original point is bogus.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Then your original point is bogus.

No.
Pld is playing well now.
Pld played atrocious on LA. Was traded and has rebounded on Washington.

Mika is playing better than PLD in LA.
My point stands.

 

[Vitto79]

I don't think Mancini's status is tied to Jones. Drury isn't going to carry less than 7 dmen. Sending Mancini down at this point would necessitate bringing someone up. And since they already chose Mancini over Ruhwedel, I don't see them doing that.

Yea not yet but same deal if he’s sitting 10 games from now he should go down to play

 

[Boris Zubov]

No.
Pld is playing well now.
Pld played atrocious on LA. Was traded and has rebounded on Washington.

Mika is playing better than PLD in LA.
My point stands.

Your logic is sound, but the bolded is debatable.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Your logic is sound, but the bolded is debatable.

pld had 40 pts in 82 games. 32 pts at even strength.

 

[haohmaru]

wrong

responded to poster asking specifically what we could get on package incl Mika
since he has nmc
this is subordinate to relocations to which he might approve
which I noted above

accurate, not fantasy
b'c
reasonable under circumstances dealt w/Shesty
he goes to LA
he goes to TOR

"non starter
KAM stays at least, showing an open mind, until Fortescue gets here, possibly longer

Leshitshow does not move needle, he takes away b'c other team takes his contract, tho it is small and min term

Mika has to waive. He will not do so UNLESS maybe he is told and shown vets other than Kreider are going.
Shesty now or if Igor extends 12+ but w/no-min clauses so he can then be waived
bread not sniffing 11.6+ after next season, he will waive prob next season to avoid things getting ugly
Lindy sell now while he has any value
Trouba obviously would already be gone, buh bye by next season

IF IF IF he gets a good fit on relocation he may relent

while he can be a positive add in some places, only a few look appealing to him on paper
top of my head, this is LA or TOR

both instances, the key is Igor w/Zib as an add"

= Right.

Terribly reliant on what players might do instead of reality = Fantasy. Nobody made you respond and, when you did, it's relying on things unlikely to happen.

Just look at what Trouba did this year.

 

[TominNC]

The fantasy moves are pointless. They're not going to trash the team just to get players to waive or move. It's not how professional organizations operate. They have a team that's near the top of the league.

 

[IDvsEGO]

"non starter
KAM stays at least, showing an open mind, until Fortescue gets here, possibly longer

Leshitshow does not move needle, he takes away b'c other team takes his contract, tho it is small and min term

Mika has to waive. He will not do so UNLESS maybe he is told and shown vets other than Kreider are going.
Shesty now or if Igor extends 12+ but w/no-min clauses so he can then be waived
bread not sniffing 11.6+ after next season, he will waive prob next season to avoid things getting ugly
Lindy sell now while he has any value
Trouba obviously would already be gone, buh bye by next season

IF IF IF he gets a good fit on relocation he may relent

while he can be a positive add in some places, only a few look appealing to him on paper
top of my head, this is LA or TOR

both instances, the key is Igor w/Zib as an add"

= Right.

Terribly reliant on what players might do instead of reality = Fantasy. Nobody made you respond and, when you did, it's relying on things unlikely to happen.

Just look at what Trouba did this year.

Why are we moving vets? I get the pipe dream of moving Mika, but we’re not tearing this team down to just move him.

If he can just put up pp points we can hide him on the wing the way Tampa did with stamkos.

How are we moving Igor? If hes not signed we’re just moving his rights which are worth maybe a 5-6th rd pick at best.
Zib is still worth stuff around the league, he’s likely considered a reclamation project to an extent but he’s not gotten slower, so it’s not impossible.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This is complete speculation but is it possible Mika battles depression? I've dealt with it and you are a shell of yourself when it happens.

 

[TominNC]

Except Mika doesn't have to leave if he doesn't want to. So the fantasy scenarios are pointless.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Except Mika doesn't have to leave if he doesn't want to. So the fantasy scenarios are pointless.

yup. NTC doesnt even open up till y8.

 

[noncents]

This is complete speculation but is it possible Mika battles depression? I've dealt with it and you are a shell of yourself when it happens.

i think vince would have sussed this out and reported on it if so.

 

[Synergy27]

Zibanejad+ for Danault? I'd do that in a heartbeat, and LA is the kind of city i could see him waiving for

I’ll admit that I did some roster scrolling today and that name jumped out as well. I don’t see why LA would do that though.

 

[bernmeister]

Let's assume Zibs actually waives. No team is gonna take the full cap hit. They'd want retention.

there is no harm in asking what if, and assuming he waives across the board
Howev, it is a counterproductive waste of time
best to identify the 4 or so relocations he'd approve [and explain why] and then discussions can be concrete

 

[will1066]

This is complete speculation but is it possible Mika battles depression? I've dealt with it and you are a shell of yourself when it happens.

Post partum

 

[bernmeister]

....
Terribly reliant on what players might do instead of reality = Fantasy. Nobody made you respond and, when you did, it's relying on things unlikely to happen.

Just look at what Trouba did this year.

bold is wrong
yes we don't know FOR CERTAIN 111% players refuse to waive under any circumstances and equally lopsided to say that give up the waiver, no problem in any/every instance

but IT IS mathematically rational to think in less than a handful of situations, having been told by R mgmt we are not going to allow vets to control how the cap rolls going forward, and he can accept relocation, to the extent we can accommodate, as to place of his choice, OR he can accept consequences which could be not dressing or 4th line b'c there is too much lack of chemistry w/Kreider, who IS staying.
He needs to get that Lindy, Trouba, Shesty and bread are not here long term the duration of his deal.

Hopefully that is enuf to open his eyes...

The fantasy moves are pointless. They're not going to trash the team just to get players to waive or move. It's not how professional organizations operate. They have a team that's near the top of the league.

They HAVE = current tense
They need to address shortfalls like wonder twins not clicking
AND
they need to be ahead of the cap
THAT IS REALITY, NOT FANTASY

 

[bernmeister]

Why are we moving vets? I get the pipe dream of moving Mika, but we’re not tearing this team down to just move him.

If he can just put up pp points we can hide him on the wing the way Tampa did with stamkos.

How are we moving Igor? If hes not signed we’re just moving his rights which are worth maybe a 5-6th rd pick at best.
Zib is still worth stuff around the league, he’s likely considered a reclamation project to an extent but he’s not gotten slower, so it’s not impossible.

we are moving vets in order to max open the window
deal vets when nec for quality youth
this is prompted by reality of hard cap
either we control the cap or it controls us
max open window is better imo for both current + short term cup chances

We move Igor BY GIVING SUITOR PERMISSION BEFOREHAND TO NEGOTIATE THE DEAL IN ADVANCE so when trade is made, his new contract is instantly in place

Shesty = vez quality elite G
he is worth high end in return

bundling Zib [if he allows] w/Shesty kills 2 birds...

it is clear TOR and LAK are fits

 

[Daves a mess]

wrong

responded to poster asking specifically what we could get on package incl Mika
since he has nmc
this is subordinate to relocations to which he might approve
which I noted above

accurate, not fantasy
b'c
reasonable under circumstances dealt w/Shesty
he goes to LA
he goes to TOR


Not sure that is even a good lateral overall, and setting that aside, he's not waiving unless, like I explained, he is comfy, prob means Igor has to go with...
something around Igor + Zib for Byfield +, or we deal him elsewhere

A little heads up Bern.

Never take my posts literally. And never take me seriously.

 

[bernmeister]

A little heads up Bern.

Never take my posts literally. And never take me seriously.

I have come to suspect that given your avatar!

but I try to take everyone at their word/face value whenev possible...