Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[IDvsEGO]

I mean there are still Bobrovsky and Vasilevskiy contracts to consider both of whom are closer to Shesterkin level than the rest. The point is that $11m is really in line for the best goalie for the next 8 years and should be reconsidered by the Russian. If he needs to save face make it $11.25 or something ala Swayman negotiations (but maybe offset it with more team friendly structure).

Vasy signed for 9.5, and then we watched as tampa had to essentially gut its team.
The cap has gone up slightly since then, not a huge amount.
The market for goalies is set.
I'd rather not break the market for a player who's great, but not going to carry us to a stanley cup.
He's claiming to be the best player on the team, and he's not.
Thats panarin or fox.

His play last year overall was only 14.2 goals above expected. Thats a 5m contract not a 11.5m contract. He's not putting up .940 seasons, he's putting up .910-.920
His run in 21-22 seems more the aberration than the expected.

 

[bhamill]

If Igor gets $12 Mil from the NY Rangers, who then is the sacrificial mule/s? After the Trouba drama i would assume he is staying put till the end of his deal.

$11,100,000 Coming off the books with 5 players.
Smith's $3,750,000 expires.
Vesey's $800,000 expires
Lindgren's $4,500,000 expires
Quick's $1,275,000 expires
Ruhwedl's $775,000 expires

Some real Key RFA's due significant raises.

RFA's
Lafreniere (8mil?)
Miller
Kakko
Cuylle
Jones
Edstrom
Rempe

Trouba is gone in the off season so that’s 19 mil coming off. And the cap rises by 4mil. That’s 23 million to get’er done.

 

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Sounded like a job for the Amazing Kreiderman.
TY

 

[TGWL]

Honestly, and this won't be popular, but it's possible Drury and his team could choose to move on From Chytil in the off-season if he has a good year. There may still be concerns over his health and they may be able to sign a veteran center on a short term deal for cheaper than $4.375m per season. The ever discussed Yanni Gourde is a UFA this upcoming off-season.

Trade Chytil for a young, cost controlled LD and sign Gourde?

The problem is that in a year nobody will bat an eye at players like Gourde making more than 4.3 if he can get back to a high 40 pace. He will alsos be turning 34 2 months into next season. Don't really know if that makes us better and doesn't seem to save us much money.

 

[bhamill]

Of course he does. His internal replacements if needed would come in at about $1m while in even conservative estimates he’s going to be close to $4. Let’s say the difference is about $2.5m. Between cap increase and “losing” Trouba, Lindgren, Smith and this $2.5m for Kakko IMO this is all cap space that would be needed to address Shesterkin, Lafreniere and Miller without losing much else.

There’s no way you are getting a top notch defensive 3rd line forward who has scored at 0.5ppg, and even last season at 0.3PPG for 1m dollars. Kakko will come in between 2.5 and 5mil. 2.5 if he repeats last years scoring pace, 5 if he takes a step. In either scenario it very poor asset management to use him as a cap dump. And any player they might trade him for at value is going to cost about as much as him in AAV. THIS team ain’t trading him for futures unless it’s an overpay. Think that’ll happen? Doubtful. I’m 100% Kakko will not be a cap casualty. If he’s gone it’s to improve the hockey team and cap will come back with whomever we acquire.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The problem is that in a year nobody will bat an eye at players like Gourde making more than 4.3 if he can get back to a high 40 pace. He will alsos be turning 34 2 months into next season. Don't really know if that makes us better and doesn't seem to save us much money.

Exactly.
Unless we're moving Chytil for an ELC contract on a high end player. Say Hutson.
It doesn't actually make us better. We still have to replace his production, and then we have to pay the player who we get for him.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sounded like a job for the Amazing Kreiderman.
TY

I couldn't quote the original message since the thread was already closed.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Igor would have to get near 14 mil on a contract without the 8 years to get 12.5 somewhere else. Even at 11 he'd have to get 12.5 somewhere else, does anyone think he'd get those numbers somewhere else? I think 11 is more than fair

 

[Clark Kellogg]

All the recent top goaltenders who have signed from Hellebuyck on down have signed for 8.5 and 8.25 million.
Igor’s camp wants 12 million?
That slightly over 41% of Hellebuycks contract.
As great as Shesterkin is, I don’t believe he is 41 percent better the next 4 that just signed.
Trade him or let him finish out his contract and then compete against other bidders. I’d begrudgingly offer him 9.75 million (for his ego) x 8 or start looking at trade options.

 

[IDvsEGO]

All the recent top goaltenders who have signed from Hellebuyck on down have signed for 8.5 and 8.25 million.
Igor’s camp wants 12 million?
That slightly over 41% of Hellebuycks contract.
As great as Shesterkin is, I don’t believe he is 41 percent better the next 4 that just signed.
Trade him or let him finish out his contract and then compete against other bidders. I’d begrudgingly offer him 9.75 million (for his ego) x 8 or start looking at trade options.

I’m fine with 10. We can manage that. And he is a yearly vezina candidate. That level of consistency is something to want.
But he’s not .940 yearly.
If he was then I’d absolutely give him 12.
The last Hank contract is looked at as a major mistake as it handcuffed us.
We couldn’t lock up other pieces, which actually has us in the cap situation we’re in now.
Let’s not make the same mistake twice.

 

[kovazub94]

There’s no way you are getting a top notch defensive 3rd line forward who has scored at 0.5ppg, and even last season at 0.3PPG for 1m dollars. Kakko will come in between 2.5 and 5mil. 2.5 if he repeats last years scoring pace, 5 if he takes a step. In either scenario it very poor asset management to use him as a cap dump. And any player they might trade him for at value is going to cost about as much as him in AAV. THIS team ain’t trading him for futures unless it’s an overpay. Think that’ll happen? Doubtful. I’m 100% Kakko will not be a cap casualty. If he’s gone it’s to improve the hockey team and cap will come back with whomever we acquire.

And this is where Kakko’s perspective comes in. Some of posters think that him signing one-year contract was a sign of his long term loyalty to the organization whereas I think it was acknowledging the convenience to both parties in order for him to move on after this season if not earlier. We shall see which is it.