Roster Building Thread - Part XII

[SA16]

I disagree, if someone is getting unfavorable treatment that's interfering with his career it should be called out. Imo if it weren't for the league having a rod on for him he'd be a regular in the lineup. They really should atleast attempt to call it out, the league shouldn't dictate your roster

The lock of the year is that Shesterkin will sign and we'll all dislike the contract unfortunately

So what is the solution when they keep calling him for penalties? Cry and whine to the media? Tell him to not play as physical at which point his one element is gone? You really think the league is going to change the way they make calls if you complain about it? They already know who he is.

 

[IDvsEGO]

So what is the solution when they keep calling him for penalties? Cry and whine to the media? Tell him to not play as physical at which point his one element is gone? You really think the league is going to change the way they make calls if you complain about it? They already know who he is.

This is ignoring that Rempe has been called fairly accurately.
This accusation of bias is sort of like asking a kleptomaniac if they’ve stolen anything recently. Rempes thrown bad hits. Has earned a reputation for bad hits.
When a player admits his coach had to teach him how to throw a correct hit, and then still leads with an elbow, it’s a valid reputation.

 

[TominNC]

Im not following the logic that the Rangers dumping Trouba and Lindgren in all likelihood this summer (Panarin will be here next season) is going to close our window? Feels like a bigtime overdramatization of the Rangers situation. The team isnt old.

Wouldn't dumping Trouba and Lindgren enhance our team going forward? If Mancini is what he seems we have a very young defensive core. Bring in a cheap vet and we're good to go. The Trouba money goes to Igor and we're no worse off than we are now. We should have Gabe coming into the lineup next year. Looks pretty good to me.

 

[SA16]

This is ignoring that Rempe has been called fairly accurately.
This accusation of bias is sort of like asking a kleptomaniac if they’ve stolen anything recently. Rempes thrown bad hits. Has earned a reputation for bad hits.
When a player admits his coach had to teach him how to throw a correct hit, and then still leads with an elbow, it’s a valid reputation.

It's both. He's thrown bad hits which have been rightly penalized. He's also been penalized on some big hits because there was significant contact largely just because he's big so the impact is large. That's going to happen though. Refs aren't watching from an overhead camera. If they say a guy get crushed out and stay down of the corner of their eye they are likely going to assume it was a penalty.

 

[Machinehead]

wouldn't say "hasn’t been a single prospect"
I would say I have called out mgmt when imo they dropped the ball on development


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[IDvsEGO]

It's both. He's thrown bad hits which have been rightly penalized. He's also been penalized on some big hits because there was significant contact largely just because he's big so the impact is large. That's going to happen though. Refs aren't watching from an overhead camera. If they say a guy get crushed out and stay down of the corner of their eye they are likely going to assume it was a penalty.

Which is how it works. The game moves too fast for them to catch everything and sometimes guys get reputation calls. Easiest way to not get the reputation calls, is to just play cleanly for a while. He hasn’t done that yet. Even his only game this season he threw some borderline hits where his elbow came way up.

 

[bhamill]

100%. This isn't Brad Marchand who is a great player. Rempe doesn't give enough to override being a target for refs. You can bang your head against the wall and cry how unfair it is but in the end it won't matter. Hurting your team because life isn't fair is a dumb AF way to run your team.

Rempe hasn't been targeted by the refs this season/pre season. He wasn't even called for a penalty on the waived off goal. They COULD have called a goalie interference penalty on him if they wanted. I didn't like the waived off goal, it was a judgement call though. Rempe was in the crease, he went there on his own, and he was arguably obstructing the goalie from making a save. He initiated the scrum, by driving into the crease, where Carrick and Ed ended up fighting and if they were targeting him, would have been penalized.
Rempe is still learning the line, but he doesn't bitch and whine at the officials, he's respectful and says the right things, he has a good attitude and it's clear he's trying to keep his game on the right side of the line. He understands now that its okay to miss his man on the check and he doesn't stick out an arm or leg to make contact. Still disrupts the play because opposition players pull up to avoid him and make bad decisions with the puck, and then he's still a huge obstacle to get around if they try to get back in the play. He keeps that up, sure he'll get a few penalties for being "too big" or "too strong," just like Kreider did early on, but he wont be a target. He seems to be finding that sweet spot, BUT it's a long season, guess we shall see.

 

[SA16]

Which is how it works. The game moves too fast for them to catch everything and sometimes guys get reputation calls. Easiest way to not get the reputation calls, is to just play cleanly for a while. He hasn’t done that yet. Even his only game this season he threw some borderline hits where his elbow came way up.

Yea which is why you can just not play the guy who gets the reputation calls considering he's not a key part of the team in any facet on the ice. If he needs to work on hitting more cleanly that is what the AHL is for.

 

[bhamill]

Im not following the logic that the Rangers dumping Trouba and Lindgren in all likelihood this summer (Panarin will be here next season) is going to close our window? Feels like a bigtime overdramatization of the Rangers situation. The team isnt old.

Especially since we pretty much universally agree those two are HURTING the team, either by play, by cap hit, or by BOTH. hahahaha

 

[McRanger92]

Wouldn't dumping Trouba and Lindgren enhance our team going forward? If Mancini is what he seems we have a very young defensive core. Bring in a cheap vet and we're good to go. The Trouba money goes to Igor and we're no worse off than we are now. We should have Gabe coming into the lineup next year. Looks pretty good to me.

The Rangers may not be a potential #1 seed going forward, but who cares. There arent 8 teams in the east better than the Rangers, and there definitely arent 8 teams that are all that close.

 

[kovazub94]

I think people are assuming that the Igor and Laf extensions will be so expensive, we won’t have the depth needed to be good (bubble playoff team instead of pushing for the presidents trophy)

These are not unsubstantiated fears but given the current lineup and what's in the pipeline, the cap squeeze as a result of the new internal contracts shouldn't be too long or too impactful, and essentially shouldn't be longer than one offseason following 2024-2025 season. Outside of some players most of us already hoping to lose the only potential "controversial" contract situation could be with Kakko. So maybe a team will take a small step back in the next season but it should be quickly reload cap-wise for another 2-3 year run.

 

[Bob Richards]

becoming Erin Brockovich and trying to shed light on the conspiracy between the NHL and the officials about unfairly penalizing Matt Rempe sounds way more difficult than just scratching a 4th liner who might not be very good anyway.

 

[IDvsEGO]

These are not unsubstantiated fears but given the current lineup and what's in the pipeline, the cap squeeze as a result of the new internal contracts shouldn't be too long or too impactful, and essentially shouldn't be longer than one offseason following 2024-2025 season. Outside of some players most of us already hoping to lose the only potential "controversial" contract situation could be with Kakko. So maybe a team will take a small step back in the next season but it should be quickly reload cap-wise for another 2-3 year run.

Yup. Worst case scenario for us is Laf gets a lot, Kakko actually has a good year and we’re forced to spend to lock both of them up on top of the Shesty deal. Mika doesn’t rebound, and Ck takes a step backwards.

We have depth/youth at every position except center.
Its just making everything fit for next season.

 

[kovazub94]

Yup. Worst case scenario for us is Laf gets a lot, Kakko actually has a good year and we’re forced to spend to lock both of them up on top of the Shesty deal. Mika doesn’t rebound, and Ck takes a step backwards.

We have depth/youth at every position except center.
Its just making everything fit for next season.

I'm resigned to the IMO inevitable outcome of Kakko not being on the team even as early as next year. IMO the only issues are what deal Drury can get from team's perspective and what type of $$ on his next contract Kakko can get - from player's perspective.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I'm resigned to the IMO inevitable outcome of Kakko not being on the team even as early as next year. IMO the only issues are what deal Drury can get from team's perspective and what type of $$ on his next contract Kakko can get - from player's perspective.

I think he wants to stay. He wouldn’t have signed a deal as quickly as he did this offseason, had he wanted to move.

 

[kovazub94]

I think he wants to stay. He wouldn’t have signed a deal as quickly as he did this offseason, had he wanted to move.

He's still RFA. He's restricted by Drury's desire to keep him or move him that in turn depends on what the trade would bring. He also doesn't want to have a reputation of someone who's difficult to work with Finally, if he's not moved - after the type of the season he had last year it would be difficult to bargain for anything more in a significant way.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

So what is the solution when they keep calling him for penalties? Cry and whine to the media? Tell him to not play as physical at which point his one element is gone? You really think the league is going to change the way they make calls if you complain about it? They already know who he is.

The solution is to play him and let him work through it. He's never going to learn how to navigate how the refs call him, or earn the refs trust, if he plays 3 min a game. You have to just live with that aspect of it for now. He has to earn it

 

[IDvsEGO]

He's still RFA. He's restricted by Drury's desire to keep him or move him that in turn depends on what the trade would bring. He also doesn't want to have a reputation of someone who's difficult to work with Finally, if he's not moved - after the type of the season he had last year it would be difficult to bargain for anything more in a significant way.

He is still rfa. But had he waited he could’ve gotten some offers. Maybe a team who wants to gamble on upside.
He didn’t. That indicates he was in line with Drury, and they likely talked about this contract, and expectations if he does well.

 

[TominNC]

The solution is to play him and let him work through it. He's never going to learn how to navigate how the refs call him, or earn the refs trust, if he plays 3 min a game. You have to just live with that aspect of it for now. He has to earn it

Or play the better players and try to win. You throw him in the occasionally to shake things up.