Roster Building Thread - Part XII

[SnowblindNYR]

How does it not make sense? Besides faceoffs, Trocheck doesn’t really have a role on the PP. He’s not a shooter, a distributor , playmaker, or net front guy.

You already have a right handed center in Zibanejad .

Laf at least offers a precious left handed shot, and is a more skilled player.


Imagine Panarin or Zib taking one timers when the PK actually has a shooting threat on the other side?

He was very productive last year on PP1.

 

[Atax]

Mikas one timer wasn’t ineffective tho.
His pp points didn’t drop, his 5v5 points did.

This is a wild statement.

Mika was clearly the weakest link on our PP last year.

 

[effen]

He still produced the least of the top unit. Makes me think he’s benefitting from them more than the other way around.

And I just hate having all righties on the unit. Kreider doesn’t count as a LHS because he doesn’t actually shoot.

Zib’s shot was neutered heavily last season because teams knew they could just shadow that side of the ice because that’s the only place a big shot is coming from.

Someone is going to be 5th in the group of 5. No personnel change makes that any different.

Zib's shot wasn't heavily neutered the year before when he had 20 PPGs with the same group and same structure. He just shot and played worse, while the year before probably ran hot.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Mikas one timer wasn’t ineffective tho.
His pp points didn’t drop, his 5v5 points did.

This is a wild statement.

They both dropped but Mika's 31 PP points last season were the second highest total of his career (topped only by the previous season where he had 38.)

Suggesting that he is THE problem with a top 3-5 unit in the league for the last 5 years where he has been a mainstay is incredibly silly though. It's the one area of his game where he was still impactful last year (I'm in agreement with you on this.)

The 5v5 stuff is way more concerning. Last season is the first year he had or paced fewer than 50 5v5 points since 2017-18 which was the year before he broke out.

 

[NYR Viper]

Trochek has a role on that PP because he defers but he is also pretty sneaky good at retrieving pucks, supporting pucks, supporting players in that high slot area and winning faceoffs. All of which help that PP hum along.

 

[17futurecap]

People want Laf on the PP to say look how good our first pick is, and then will get mad when he wants 9.5 million dollars a year next summer.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Trochek has a role on that PP because he defers but he is also pretty sneaky good at retrieving pucks, supporting pucks, supporting players in that high slot area and winning faceoffs. All of which help that PP hum along.

He’s also mediocre at puck possession and doesn’t have great hands for a 1t.
His right hand shot helps a ton because he’s fed one timers from Mika and Ck.
A lefty there would require the one timer from the opposite wall.

People want Laf on the PP to say look how good our first pick is, and then will get mad when he wants 9.5 million dollars a year next summer.

He already wants more than that. My guess is he’s getting 10m.

 

[SA16]

He’s also mediocre at puck possession and doesn’t have great hands for a 1t.
His right hand shot helps a ton because he’s fed one timers from Mika and Ck.
A lefty there would require the one timer from the opposite wall.


He already wants more than that. My guess is he’s getting 10m.

He's clearly not getting that based on the contracts for Raymond, Seider, Guenther.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

okay, let’s change absolutely nothing and run it back again and just hope and pray it works out differently this year. And hope that last season wasn’t the peak .

People want Laf on the PP to say look how good our first pick is, and then will get mad when he wants 9.5 million dollars a year next summer.

I think the Rangers should, for once, reward players for their play. Even if they don’t happen to be high paid veterans

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers Reduce Roster to 36 Players | New York Rangers

New York Rangers President and General Manager Chris Drury announced today that the team has reduced its Training Camp roster by nine players. Forwards Jaroslav Chmelar, Bryce McConnell-Barker, Dylan Roobroeck, and Adam Sykora have been assigned to the Hartford Wolf Pack of the American Hockey...

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So Sykora and Roobroeck got sent down and played well last night, but Grouxl, Korczak are still with the team. Why is Fitzgerald and Mackey still here? They are awful

 

[Guyute]

Rangers Reduce Roster to 36 Players | New York Rangers

New York Rangers President and General Manager Chris Drury announced today that the team has reduced its Training Camp roster by nine players. Forwards Jaroslav Chmelar, Bryce McConnell-Barker, Dylan Roobroeck, and Adam Sykora have been assigned to the Hartford Wolf Pack of the American Hockey...

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So Sykora and Roobroeck got sent down and played well last night, but Grouxl, Korczak are still with the team. Why is Fitzgerald and Mackey still here? They are awful

Fitzgerald is here for when they trade for Brady Tkachuk

 

[cwede]

So Sykora and Roobroeck got sent down and played well last night, but Grouxl, Korczak are still with the team. Why is Fitzgerald and Mackey still here? They are awful

Korczak is recovering from injury, no urgency to demote

Groulx spent ALL of '23-24 in NHL, will play tonight, may be waived later this week. Or make final roster, though I don't expect that

Mackey is an obvious guy for a longer look w Lindgren injury

Fitzgerald MUST still be with team today
Waivers-required guys CanNOT be demoted until/unless they clear waivers first
Been this way for years and years
Fitzgerald was waived today (Blidh, Domingue, Scanlin, too)

 

[mrmovies779]

Scanlin waived?Rangers better hope he clears or they will get The Wrath of Bern

 

[CTTribe73]

Definition of degenerate gambler:

Making individual player prop bets on CHL preseason games.

 

[EdJovanovski]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1841117260053954972

 

[MrAlmost]

Why do we keep these guys around for so f***ing long every preseason? This team really does bend over backwards to try and convince itself the vets are playing better than the younger players.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I don’t know why I’m surprised that the main argument on here is about splitting powerplay units because people are upset about the 3rd best powerplay in the league for some reason. Crazy idea, but I think the problem might be the inept 5v5 offensive plan of cycling the puck to take a bunch of low-percentage point shots instead of utilizing the talent that this team has to move players through the slot and generate different looks that way. When the opposing team only has to box you out to keep you from getting below the circles, it’s not a difficult task for them

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Trochek has a role on that PP because he defers but he is also pretty sneaky good at retrieving pucks, supporting pucks, supporting players in that high slot area and winning faceoffs. All of which help that PP hum along.

Strome was good at that too

Laf would also work that way if needed but without the faceoffs obviously

 

[Harbour Dog]

Edstrom and Mancini are making very strong cases for sticking with the big club. I expect Mancini will be sent down to get big minutes in Hartford, but I'll be disappointed if Edstrom isn't getting 4th line minutes with the Rangers to start the season. He's an NHL player.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Edstrom and Mancini are making very strong cases for sticking with the big club. I expect Mancini will be sent down to get big minutes in Hartford, but I'll be disappointed if Edstrom isn't getting 4th line minutes with the Rangers to start the season. He's an NHL player.

who are they keeping in the NHL if lindgren is out weeks. I can't see anyone else earning that spot.
Let him come in, let lindgren take his time, and then send him back to hartford and tell him to dominate this year, and he's got trouba's spot next. He dropped some nice outlets tonight.

 

[MrAlmost]

Mancini will be better than Lindgren by the time Lindgren is healthy. Trade Lindgren.

 

[eco's bones]

Barring any more injuries my guess is the Rangers will break camp like this:

Lafreniere-Trocheck-Panarin
Smith-Zibanejad-Kreider
Kakko-Chytil-Cuylle
Rempe-Carrick-Edstrom
Brodzinski
Vesey-inj

Fox-Miller
Trouba-Jones
Schneider-Mancini
Ruhwedel
Lindgren-inj

Sheshterkin-Quick

Final cuts--Othmann, Berard, Mackey.

If Panarin's hurt enough to miss games is a question too. Also Laviolette seem to like Mackey quite a lot. OTOH Mancini seems to share a lot in common with Miller and Schneider. Big, mobile, defensive oriented--perhaps better offensive instincts than Miller/Schneider. He moves the puck and defends well and that's a hard combination to beat. I really like defensemen with size and who can really move that defend well. If the Rangers were to pair him with Fox and it really works then Lindgren depending might be the odd guy out of the top 6. If both Fox and Jones are going to be regulars that's enough smaller guys on D AFAIC anyway.

 

[McRanger92]

Mancini and Edstrom should make the team, and Laf should get more PP time. These are the types of moves that, when they don't happen, can be attributed back to the country club mentality.

Do we want to try new things and potentially raise our ceiling, or do we want to do the same things that have gotten us to whimpering exits in the ECF the last 2/3 years? Choice is obvious to me.

 

[bernmeister]

Mancini will be better than Lindgren by the time Lindgren is healthy. Trade Lindgren.

have pressed we sell high on him for past coupla seasons
should do so now also b'c wanna deal before he breaks down further

Mancini and Edstrom should make the team, and Laf should get more PP time. These are the types of moves that, when they don't happen, can be attributed back to the country club mentality.

Do we want to try new things and potentially raise our ceiling, or do we want to do the same things that have gotten us to whimpering exits in the ECF the last 2/3 years? Choice is obvious to me.

welcome to team bern!

As all here know, I've quoted Chicago's Robert Lamm:
"Will you try to change things, with the power that you have, the power of a million new ideas?".

 

[IDvsEGO]

Mancini and Edstrom should make the team, and Laf should get more PP time. These are the types of moves that, when they don't happen, can be attributed back to the country club mentality.

Do we want to try new things and potentially raise our ceiling, or do we want to do the same things that have gotten us to whimpering exits in the ECF the last 2/3 years? Choice is obvious to me.

We’ve gone over this over and over. Who’s coming off the pp?
I get that Laf deserves pp1 time, but who’s he replacing? The only lefty on the pp is Kreider and while Laf could probably be net front, that’s not his game and risks him getting injured a lot more.

The common answer is Mika, but that requires reworking the entire pp.