Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[duhmetreE]

Two metro rivals improved their defense

We got a rental

 

[noncents]

Two metro rivals improved their defense

We got a rental

it is kinda funny how the one thing we all agree we needed was strong skating professional defensemen and the guys we all wanted, chyrun, dillon, roy, and walker (pesce, gostisbehere) all went in division, to the teams in division that are our most recent playoff opponents. just straight up scampered en masse to our rivals.

meanwhile, at 34th and 7th... Trouba holding the rangers hostage

 

[gabevh3]

Latest from Vince:

Trouba has been a central figure in establishing an all-for-one, selfless culture the last few seasons, while Goodrow was one of the team's most respected veterans. There's a perception among teammates that their situations could have been handled with more openness and dignity, according to one source, with those feelings extending to other team employees who have been let go in recent years. At the top of that list is longtime trainer Jim Ramsay, who was suddenly fired last year. He was not acknowledged upon his return to Madison Square Garden with the Montreal Canadians on Feb. 15, which apparently didn't sit well with a number of players, either.

It won't ruin Drurys and slats and Dolan's holidays. No wonder players don't want to sign here.

 

[gabevh3]

I remember picking up my ex gf from her boob job surgery. Every lip in the road I hit on the way back to her place made her scream in agony.

Made me feel bad the I personally picked them out for her.

Is there a before and after?

 

[Rullailija]

it is kinda funny how the one thing we all agree we needed was strong skating professional defensemen and the guys we all wanted, chyrun, dillon, roy, and walker (pesce, gostisbehere) all went in division, to the teams in division that are our most recent playoff opponents. just straight up scampered en masse to our rivals.

meanwhile, at 34th and 7th... Trouba holding the rangers hostage

I would have LOVED Roy at that price. Instant upgrade over Trouba.

 

[Vitto79]

Drury is going to have to sign some AHL vets. The D is too thin now.

How is Klingberg doing in his rehab? Brannstrom might be someone Housley can help. I honestly know nothing about him other than name and remembering him playing against the Rangers in name only.

They need one more piece up front. A bargain bin. Tatar?

Need a 7th D for sure . Ruewedhl you would think makes sense but there’s a few options

AHL call ups Robertson , Harpur , Mackey , Scanlin so they won’t add there

Upfront try and get a bargain guy like Atkinson ? Maybe Barbanov as he was rumoured at the deadline

Roslovic likely gets too much but he is still around

 

[RangerBoy]

There are plenty of things to criticize Drury about. Today was not one of them.

Drury did his part to get Trouba out. He got kneecapped by Trouba. He didn’t give Trouba that contract. You don’t know what he would have/wouldn’t have done with the extra cap room.

Quite frankly the only take away here is Gorton is probably laughing his ass off that he didn’t have to deal with the mess that he made

Trouba did nothing wrong by not submitting his NTC list until July 1. His agent strategically picked teams which would not trade for him. 15 teams this season and 12 teams next season.

We have no way of knowing this but Gorton would have done a better job than Drury putting the final pieces together. Drury doesn't know what he is doing. First time GM. Drury has traded a million draft picks and hasn't filled one hole on the roster.

 

[RangerBoy]

it is kinda funny how the one thing we all agree we needed was strong skating professional defensemen and the guys we all wanted, chyrun, dillon, roy, and walker (pesce, gostisbehere) all went in division, to the teams in division that are our most recent playoff opponents. just straight up scampered en masse to our rivals.

meanwhile, at 34th and 7th... Trouba holding the rangers hostage

All of those players are not very good except for Pesce. Chychrun has been traded twice in the last 16 months. It seems the fans like him more than the actual teams. Carolina got worse yesterday swapping out Skjei and Resce for Walker and Ghost. $4M for Dillon. It would take people two seconds to rip that deal. A 6 year deal for Roy? He will be available for trade in one year.

 

[haohmaru]

“The Rangers want to get younger.”

Here’s 34 year old Reilly Smith, 32 year old Sam Carrick, a Ryan Lindgren extension and the return of the captain Jacob Trouba.

Who is replacing a 37 year old winger, a 31 year old overpaid 4C, a 25 year old Ryan Lindgren, and 30 year old who is the oldest guy on defense. They probably have the youngest top 6 in the league.

The Rangers are right in the middle of the league as far as age goes and it's a pretty good bet that Jones is now a top 6, Othmann will be given a serious look and Berard is on the verge.

The Rangers aren't an old team.

 

[bernmeister]

This hypothetical trade has NYR/TBL/JBB all over it.
Sheary two years at 2 million for Trouba 2 years at 8 million and a pick.
Rangers gain 6 million in cap space.
They can buy Sheary out and gain another million or trade him with an adder to a bottom feeder to gain two more million in cap space.
The Rangers and Lightning have been trade parters with the aging rangers leadership is ready to be turnover to the next ranger core.

would prefer something like Troub + lesser pick for 2 2nds
period
clean
no adding deadwood
pix are yr friend

That never made any sense. Why would they want to get younger? They are knocking on the door of the SCF. They need to get better. Not younger.

younger usually = better b'c
1) while exceptions to every rule, rule is youth = mo energy and in deep PO runs, energy + stamina > age w/experience
2) youth is cheaper than seniority vets who cost more. Lower payroll = greater cap space = better roster flexibility

better yes
youth yes
YOUTH WILL BE SERVED

it is kinda funny how the one thing we all agree we needed was strong skating professional defensemen and the guys we all wanted, chyrun, dillon, roy, and walker (pesce, gostisbehere) all went in division, to the teams in division that are our most recent playoff opponents. just straight up scampered en masse to our rivals.

meanwhile, at 34th and 7th... Trouba holding the rangers hostage

see RB comments below
most of those guys are meh or subpar, and in isolated instance where any is an instant upgrade, the prob is these guys not gonna take 1-2 yr deals, w'o trade protection, even if you overpay.
Given that, best option is not sign and create prob down the road
Develop from within, BUILD, and if opportunity knocks, be prepared w/available resources + cap space

Need a 7th D for sure . Ruewedhl you would think makes sense but there’s a few options

AHL call ups Robertson , Harpur , Mackey , Scanlin so they won’t add there

Upfront try and get a bargain guy like Atkinson ? Maybe Barbanov as he was rumoured at the deadline

Roslovic likely gets too much but he is still around

Scanlin is our go to if/when we deal Lindy for picks, which is nec including to make a statement to Zib, bread, etc
Scan would be first guy to crack roster if Lindy still here

Harpur solid clear the crease, not a pylon but room to improve skating. Focus, work hard on that. He's yr 7th. Fine w/Schneid

Robertson is x factor
for whatev reason, he has not gotten call.
He MUST be brought up, growing pains and all, and broken in. If he is truly a bust, then let us know this asap, and move on. But that is NOT know.
Stop favoring vets
play youth, accept temporary pain for long term gain

All of those players are not very good except for Pesce. Chychrun has been traded twice in the last 16 months. It seems the fans like him more than the actual teams. Carolina got worse yesterday swapping out Skjei and Resce for Walker and Ghost. $4M for Dillon. It would take people two seconds to rip that deal. A 6 year deal for Roy? He will be available for trade in one year.

Concur
Roy 6 yrs = stay away
surprised Pesce did not get more, Rs could not expect sweetheart deal

 

[jay from jersey]

All of those players are not very good except for Pesce. Chychrun has been traded twice in the last 16 months. It seems the fans like him more than the actual teams. Carolina got worse yesterday swapping out Skjei and Resce for Walker and Ghost. $4M for Dillon. It would take people two seconds to rip that deal. A 6 year deal for Roy? He will be available for trade in one year.

WSH was blowing money like a NBA draft pick, I guess they are giving 1 more go of it for the OV,Wilson crowd.
I like some of the players they got, but the years are lengthy on some of these older FA’s.
Devs paid a lot for Dillion and a busted up Pesce. Pesce is solid but has been declining a bit over the last 2 seasons and his durability issues are becoming worse with age.
The moves should help their young D in the short term though.
They are paying an awful lot of money for Pesce/Dillion/hamilton.
The isles are the isles…. They are an old team with no farm that will continue battling for a wildcard spot.
As far as Chychrun goes, I think the word is out on him…
The only thing he does really well is shoot the puck. He is average to below average at everything else he does. Hes not very physical and on top of all that he’s going to be looking for a raise at the end of the season.
Don’t be surprised if WSH has him this year and he moves on to yet another team at the end of the season.
I think Drury would have liked to snag Guentzel if Trouba Deal went thru….. Tampa trading a 3rd for a 1 day advantage reeks of knowledge that other teams in the east were looking to snag him.
They see him as a younger alternative to stammer. Their offensive is going to be pretty formidable.

All and all, I’m happy we didn’t go crazy.
We’ll have our time coming up in the near future… they need to lock up shesty, Laf,miller, Schneider, and make a decision on Lindgren. In the short term he’ll be signed, but that doesn’t mean he’ll finish the entire new contract he signs with the team.
The next 1-2 seasons Drurys most important…. His moves will either lament this team as a powerhouse in the east for years, or another pretender that can get by with goal tending/special teams and fail in the playoffs.
Evaluating which young guys are really going to come up and make an impact in that timeframe is key.
Kakko/chytil/Lindgren will all possibly be on their way out with Panarin/trouba timeframe, but it’s not going to happen in 1 offseason.
The decision on Kreider will also be looming.

 

[leetch99]

Who is replacing a 37 year old winger, a 31 year old overpaid 4C, a 25 year old Ryan Lindgren, and 30 year old who is the oldest guy on defense. They probably have the youngest top 6 in the league.

The Rangers are right in the middle of the league as far as age goes and it's a pretty good bet that Jones is now a top 6, Othmann will be given a serious look and Berard is on the verge.

The Rangers aren't an old team.

Lavi should ride his young horses and play the shit out of Laf-Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko . Those guys are young and will relish the extra quality minutes.....and the team the better for it in the long run . Sink or swim . No more coddling the old guys like Mika/Kreider and Panarin . It will make or break Kakko but it is what it is and with Perreault looming on the horizon we need to know but at the same time it might help Cuylle and Chytil . The young guys will provide more jump/effort and I assume wear down the defenders , If Kreider and Mika end up on a line 3 it is not a big deal other than some wounded pride . If anything it might also help them as they will face less talented players . I'm not sure how lines would be done.......but it is not the worst thing to have happen for all of them if it improves our pace of play and overall on ice demeanor .

 

[mike14]

We have no way of knowing this but Gorton would have done a better job than Drury putting the final pieces together.

This is one of those sentences that you could only get on HFNYR, and the kind of thing that makes the off-season madness all worthwhile

 

[McRanger92]

It won't ruin Drurys and slats and Dolan's holidays. No wonder players don't want to sign here.

That would be a good thing. Why would we want anyone to sign here when we instantly regret it and get held hostage while we fail in the playoffs due to underperformance from our 2 mercenaries?

 

[McRanger92]

Drury was smart/lucky to stay above the fray in free agency yesterday. Many of these deals are very obvious albatrosses even today. Too much money given to bottom 6ers and 3rd pair D. I thought the Carrick and Smith moves made sense for our needs. The price of the brick on Lafreniere and Miller is going up.

The Trouba situation is what we all suspected. The country club is now out in the open. I understand Trouba needs to do whats right for his family, but Drury needs to do what's right for the Rangers. Its hard to find a fan or media person who wouldnt agree that paying a 3rd pair defenseman 8 million a year is hamstringing us big time. Not to mention he flat out hasnt been good in any of the 3 playoff runs with him (4 I guess if you count the bubble). Who knows how it shakes out the rest of the summer, but whether Mr. Tyson-Trouba is here or not, the window of opportunity to improve the team in a meaningful way for next year is pretty much gone.

That said, we are still a very good team and the favorite in the Metro. But I am resigned at this point to running out the clock on the Trouba/Panarin era. It didnt work. I hope the second shoe to drop with the Goodrow/Trouba shenanigans is that our 20 year old players start to have bigger roles and opportunity than our 30 year olds. There's absolutely no reason to dump Chytil or Kakko given the events of the last week. Othmann, Edstrom and Berard all deserve real shots to make the roster. Right now our highest ceiling improvement is from our own youth. If we somehow win a Cup in the next 2 years, it will be glorious. But I think our better chances will come when the albatrosses we already have are gone.

 

[EpicDing]

Put this in the other thread right before lock:

My guess with all this is that Drury had a deal worked out with Detroit, asked Trouba to waive and he said no.

When have we known Drury to leak things? The noise about the deal probably came from the Detroit side.

 

[rangers1314]

Vibes are F’d.

 

[McRanger92]

Trouba did nothing wrong by not submitting his NTC list until July 1. His agent strategically picked teams which would not trade for him. 15 teams this season and 12 teams next season.

We have no way of knowing this but Gorton would have done a better job than Drury putting the final pieces together. Drury doesn't know what he is doing. First time GM. Drury has traded a million draft picks and hasn't filled one hole on the roster.

Gorton would have definitely traded a first for Kane. Just like he traded assets for Trouba to then sign to a massive deal, and how he traded assets to get Adam Fox who was probably coming here anyway. Both guys were trained by Sather. Draft picks optional mentality. I dont really have an issue with that, its just how they both operate. Gorton traded a first rounder and a 3rd for Kirby dach like last year, I dont think we are better off with him

Put this in the other thread right before lock:

My guess with all this is that Drury had a deal worked out with Detroit, asked Trouba to waive and he said no.

When have we known Drury to leak things? The noise about the deal probably came from the Detroit side.

I think Stevie Y got screwed here too. Detroit looks like a pretty incomplete team on the backend imo. Our only hope might be Yzerman, Mr. Tyson-Trouba and Drury sitting down to hash things out.

 

[Crease]

Saw that the Rangers qualified Lindgren and Schneider. Lindgren’s qualifying number is 3.6M. I could stomach that if they weren’t also paying Trouba 8M.

 

[Daves a mess]

Is there a before and after?

She's a lawyer now.

She'd take my phone about 30 seconds after she took my house.

 

[Circus86]

Zegras + Vaakanainen

For Trouba + Chytil + Othmann/KK + pick?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Latest from Vince:

Trouba has been a central figure in establishing an all-for-one, selfless culture the last few seasons, while Goodrow was one of the team's most respected veterans. There's a perception among teammates that their situations could have been handled with more openness and dignity, according to one source, with those feelings extending to other team employees who have been let go in recent years. At the top of that list is longtime trainer Jim Ramsay, who was suddenly fired last year. He was not acknowledged upon his return to Madison Square Garden with the Montreal Canadians on Feb. 15, which apparently didn't sit well with a number of players, either.

Oh, did kreider and mika go crying?

Grow up, it’s a business and you’re getting paid millions.

 

[mas0764]

Not getting in on Chychrun is really infuriating the more I think about it.

For the price he went, there isn’t another move Drury could have made that would have cleared up so many issues. Like, even if you don’t move Trouba…. Jones could remain 7th D. Adding Chychrun would have been just what the D needs.

Sure, we are short on veteran forwards. Bring in Othmann and Berard and add a vet at the deadline then.

Not using the $5m we spent on Reilly Smith on Chychrun instead is really really bad.

 

[Circus86]

Oh, did kreider and mika go crying?

Grow up, it’s a business and you’re getting paid millions.

Players running the team. It's unbelievable. Looking at Tampa with McD and Stammer and Florida with Huberdeau and Weegar and Vegas...all the successful teams have done these kind of moves.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Can’t remember who suggested it yesterday, but Kulak and McLeod would both be very good targets if EDM is stuck in a cap bind. Kulak made both Cody Ceci and Darnell Nurse look competent at times last year, which is no easy feat. Not a lot of offense to his game, but he’s always been a solid 5v5 player and PKer outside of the one terrible year last season