Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[EdJovanovski]

Have fun everyone!

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Hope so. As I said we should've signed him instead of Detroit, he's night & day better after surgery.

 

[LOFIN]

I don't want commitment to Kane. For one year? I guess.

 

[majordomo]

The NHL needs a similar system to the NBA with bird rights and having the ability to go over the cap to sign certain players. The league has technically grown under Bettman, but he’s done a lot of stupid shit that’s hindered progress. Sometimes it feels like a lot of the growth is in spite of him

It feels that way because it's true.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle (as usual lol). But I maintain my stance that the tax-differential isn't really a thing in the NHL. It's just a scapegoat for especially Canadian fans, for why their teams have been so bad they haven't been able to win a cup in 30 years.

You may be right when it comes to players and where they end up.

It's 100000% a thing for the cap. Even if you load a deal with SB's, that still reflects in the cap hit. These no tax teams are able to get players in for lower hits even if the take home money ends up being the same with all the bells and whistles that need to be played to receive the same money somewhere else.

That is the real competitive imbalance that exists, not LTIR which is there for everyone to use (and people make too big a deal about this, the league reviews everything to ensure that teams aren't just stashing people on LTIR for the f*** of it.)

 

[Atax]

I'll 100% take Kane for a year or 2 as our prospects develop. Id rather sign him then take on some crappy contracts wondering if theyll work with the wonder twins.

 

[bhamill]

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle (as usual lol). But I maintain my stance that the tax-differential isn't really a thing in the NHL. It's just a scapegoat for especially Canadian fans, for why their teams have been so bad they haven't been able to win a cup in 30 years.

You're probably right that it isn't as big a deal as we sometimes make it out to be. But even if its just a 5% difference, or even less, in a cap environment it should be addressed.
Cap is the biggest limiting factor in doing business as far as rosters, and no team should have a built in advantage or disadvantage there.

 

[EdJovanovski]

You can't tell me that and his playoff clutchness, swagger etc rubbing off on the team wouldn't have helped us

 

[n8]

Have fun everyone!

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I'm a no on Kane. If he felt like he left something on the table, he should have signed last year. What idiot says "I want to join a team that has a chance to win the Cup" and then signs not only with the Red Wings but arguably in the top two rivals on the Blackhawks? Imagine if you were say Dallas, and you acquired pending UFA Kreider and instead of resigning with you he shunned your team to sign with the Islanders or Devils. Blink 182 Tom Delonge wtf. I don't even remembering Kane gelling with BFFs, even if hobbled. Yeah, F that guy for pretending he was healthy. I'd consider it if he's signing for league minimum.

 

[LOFIN]

You may be right when it comes to players and where they end up.

It's 100000% a thing for the cap. Even if you load a deal with SB's, that still reflects in the cap hit. These no tax teams are able to get players in for lower hits even if the take home money ends up being the same with all the bells and whistles that need to be played to receive the same money somewhere else.

That is the real competitive imbalance that exists, not LTIR which is there for everyone to use (and people make too big a deal about this, the league reviews everything to ensure that teams aren't just stashing people on LTIR for the f*** of it.)

So what's preventing these players from asking even more money from non-tax state teams? Or maybe, these players are willing to sign there because the teams are usually good, and the weather is also nice.

Florida Panthers were mediocre/bad for over 20 years, and had a hard time getting free agents. No-one talked about their tax and weather advantage then. Now they are run by a competent GM, they are a good team, and people love to bring up the taxes and weather.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

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You can't tell me that and his playoff clutchness, swagger etc rubbing off on the team wouldn't have helped us

Yeah this is true.

He did a great job rubbing off on all those red wings and dragged them into the playo-

So what's preventing these players from asking even more money from non-tax state teams? Or maybe, these players are willing to sign there because the teams are usually good, and the weather is also nice.

Florida Panthers were mediocre/bad for over 20 years, and had a hard time getting free agents. No-one talked about their tax and weather advantage then. Now they are run by a competent GM, they are a good team, and people love to bring up the taxes and weather.

The teams being good is a thing, I won't deny that but that sort of feeds into what I'm saying.

It creates a competitive advantage for those teams when they're good. If they're ass awful then yeah it works against them.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah this is true.

He did a great job rubbing off on all those red wings and dragged them into the playo-

We literally went further without him LMAO

 

[LOFIN]

It creates a competitive advantage for those teams when they're good. If they're ass awful then yeah it works against them.

It really doesn't. If you think players sign for less cap hit because of the taxes, I don't know what to tell you. It's simply not true. It doesn't happen.

You know what might happen? People signing somewhere because they have nice weather. So what are we going to do for the cap to make up that difference?

 

[Atax]

We literally went further without him LMAO

Dude was clearly recovering from his surgery. Blame the GM for that.
Or are you happy we got Ros/Wennberg instead?
What options are really available this season? We need to fix the D first.
People are putting Skinner out as options. Id rather take Kane cheap and upgrade defense.

 

[EdJovanovski]

We literally went further without him LMAO

He was a broken man at the time, a shell of his former self; devoid of the sparkle in his eye. Remember how shrivelled up and old he looked? His skin wasn't even the same color, he had a green hue. He was an empty vessel

 

[rangers1314]

Nobody throws more shit on the wall than Frank. I pay him no mind

 

[LOFIN]

If Kane comes begging to play in New York again, fine. Not someone we should actually pursue. The last time we caved because of Dolan probably saw the dollar figures in selling 88 jerseys lol.

Nobody throws more shit on the wall than Frank. I pay him no mind

He has good sources and is a top insider no doubt. But his opinions are getting more and more cringe worthy and off base. Stick to breaking news, leave analysing the game to those who know how to do it Frank.

 

[nyrob13]

Hello again friends.

My waiver senses are tingling.

 

[EdJovanovski]

This was the Kane we got

This is Kane now

 

[rangers1314]

Sounds like Buffalo is going to buy out Skinner so you can have him for free if you want

Earlier in this segment, JM floats the idea of a Trouba buyout. EF refutes it saying that he hasn’t heard anything about that.

 

[JimmyG89]

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Our long national nightmare is over

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hello again friends.

My waiver senses are tingling.

People’s insider!!!!

 

[rangers1314]

So Goodrow got the McDonagh?

 

[nyrob13]

People’s insider!!!!

I think EF actually may have beaten me on this one. But we move

 

[LOFIN]

People’s insider!!!!

I just really need him to adopt "the word on the streets is" as a prelude, like that Ottawa insider with a nick name on twitter. Because everything sounds more credible if its coming from the streets.

 

[Daves a mess]

I'm getting these Jake Guentzel feels all overrrr