Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[GoAwayPanarin]

Alex Tuch would give me harder wood than Jovo when the pizza is delivered or Tob when someone gets hurt.

 

[McRanger92]

The guy is a 3rd pair dman any other year than this one. Paying him this year that much will be Redden-esque at some point.

Redden-esque would be the equivalent of paying him upwards of 10mil in todays dollars lol crazy contract in hindsight.

I think with Zadorov there is a lot of hyperbolic statements about his play, however, its hard to argue the point that he is a nice player at 3.5 but and albatross at 6. Rangers are going to be looking at guys who have size and can skate though. The pool is limited.

Alex Tuch would give me harder wood than Jovo when the pizza is delivered or Tob when someone gets hurt.

Schneider & Perrault for Tuch is what I came up with in my head. Unless the Sabres would inexplicably take Trouba.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

FLA is proving there’s only one way to do it. Moneypuck your way into nearly an entire D core. Oh, and have a Barkov.

This is true but I think a few things are being glossed over when people talk about how they built their team.

Their 2 best forwards were drafted 2OA and traded for using a player they drafted 3OA. Many ignore that they were atrocious for ages and top picks were a huge part of their build.

They have a $10M goalie, but weren’t actually a contender until they built a defense in front of him and were consistently near the of the league at 5 on 5.

If there’s one lesson I wish one day the NYR would learn…is that trading high picks is fine if the players actually help you for more than 20 games ie not rentals. Reinhart, Bennett, Montour acquired w picks the NYR would have pissed away on Copp, Kane, etc. Now the Panthers did some rentals too (Giroux, Chiarot) but they quickly moved away from it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Redden-esque would be the equivalent of paying him upwards of 10mil in todays dollars lol crazy contract in hindsight.

I think with Zadorov there is a lot of hyperbolic statements about his play, however, its hard to argue the point that he is a nice player at 3.5 but and albatross at 6. Rangers are going to be looking at guys who have size and can skate though. The pool is limited.



Schneider & Perrault for Tuch is what I came up with in my head. Unless the Sabres would inexplicably take Trouba.

I have zero doubt that the Rangers checked in there last season and were automatically told no (Brooks floated the name and this isn't an obvious one so he heard something.) There really isn't any incentive for the Sabres to move him right now.

Maybe it becomes a thing at the deadline if/when they suck again but if they're buying out Skinner, they're clearing space to do something to try to make it work this season.

 

[Savant]

If Edmonton-Florida goes seven games, they couldn’t have bought PLD out at <25 rate.

NHL scheduling is done by morons

 

[McRanger92]

I have zero doubt that the Rangers checked in there last season and were automatically told no (Brooks floated the name and this isn't an obvious one so he heard something.) There really isn't any incentive for the Sabres to move him right now.

Maybe it becomes a thing at the deadline if/when they suck again but if they're buying out Skinner, they're clearing space to do something to try to make it work this season.

There'd have to be a contractual reason for them to deal him, which idk. Hes from Syracuse so it wont be a geography thing but im sure he wants to win. I dont really see the Sabres emerging as a contender anytime soon. They can probably get more for him now than they did for Eichel.

 

[GAGLine]

I like the idea of a bottom-6 of:

Othmann-Chytil-Vesey
Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe

I don't want Vesey on the 3rd line. Othmann can play RW.

Cuylle-Chytil-Othmann is a better option, assuming Chytil can stay healthy.

 

[LOFIN]

The guy is a 3rd pair dman any other year than this one. Paying him this year that much will be Redden-esque at some point.

Other than these playoffs. He was scratched at times during the RS for the Canucks, that's how shaky his play was at times.

 

[McRanger92]

I like the idea of a bottom-6 of:

Othmann-Chytil-Vesey
Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe

Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Edstrom-Brodzinski-Vesey
Rempe

You can pretty much pencil that in as next years bottom 6. I dont see the need to add a veteran presence pre-deadline, but you can on the cheap if Kakko gets dealt. That would open up competition for Berard and Othmann. Drury brought up that they had some young players knocking on the door to make the bottom 6 more physical, and Ill take his word for it. Dont spend cap or assets on bottom 6 players at this critical time in our window

 

[bernmeister]

Rangers need a top 6 wing badly, I think they cleared Goodrow to make room for a splash. There are obvious tiers I see.

Pipe Dream trade candidates
Brady Tkachuk - seemingly not available yet, Rangers dont have the means to be the best offer if he does
Alex Tuch - perfect fit and NYR were interested enough for it to come up at the deadline. Not sure why Sabres trade him for less than a massive overpay (Schneider++)

Mid-30s vets who can still play
Steven Stamkos - Can still score, looked like injuries were catching up to him but hes only missed 2 games the last 3 years. We'll see if Tampa lets him hit the market but I expect the Rangers to be very involved if he does.
Jonathan Marchessault - Fits the same mold as Stammer. Vegas needs to clear cap to keep him but I think thats a higher liklihood than Stammer staying in tampa

High-priced UFAs
Jake Guentzel - The path of least resistance. Obviously skilled ES scorer and playoff performer. NYR have had interest recently. I think his style fits seamlesslu with laff and trocheck, so Im not too concerned about a long term deal.
Sam Reinhart - Great player but kinda plays Kreider's role on special teams so not sure its a seamless fit. I would let it be Florida's problem paying a guy UFA money after a 57 goal season, but hes technically an option.

The Rest
Tyler Toffoli - Dime store version of Stammer/JAM. A guy who is more of a 30 goal player than 40, but has still won and performed in the playoffs throughout his career. He can't be the only move if he's the target imo, but hes not a terrible option.
Jake DeBrusk - Meh
Tyler Bertuzzi - Maple Leafs just tried it. Meh.

A fair assessment, but conclusion is STAY AWAY FROM ALL OF THEM

 

[bernmeister]

Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Edstrom-Brodzinski-Vesey
Rempe
....

Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
bingo, do not touch

Vesey-Edstrom- Rempe
Brodzinski is 13th

 

[Ruggs225]

NHL scheduling is done by morons

Yeah this years schedule is brutal. Especially the playoffs and Final

 

[Vitto79]

Any 1 year options a team wants to dump ?
Like a Cam Atkinson

I don’t see NYR Adding much salary to the next seasons books

 

[Ruggs225]

Here are some names who i wouldnt mind the rangers going after (obviously not all)

Forwards
Teravainen
Stephenson
Lindholm - really dependent on contract. Would then slide Chytil to RW.
Debrusk
Arvidson
Roslovic (only on a cheap contract)

Defense
Skjei
Roy


So of course i expect them to sign Kane and Mark Staal. Haha

 

[McRanger92]

Any 1 year options a team wants to dump ?
Like a Cam Atkinson

I don’t see NYR Adding much salary to the next seasons books

Drury would be foolish to be worried about next years cap situation. Theyll extend Laf and Igor no problem. If next season doesnt end in a Cup theres no chance Panarin and Trouba will be on the 2025-26 squad. Theyll both be easily moveable, or buyoutable in Trouba's case. Plus Drury's job security would be in question. Future cap is either the next guy's problem, or we have a championship to celebrate.

 

[Gardner McKay]

He’s Trouba. Stay away.

I was trying to be nice...

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Get me Chychrun and move out Lindgren.

Also don't sleep on Berard. I can see him getting a long look in camp this year.

 

[Peltz]

FLA is proving there’s only one way to do it. Moneypuck your way into nearly an entire D core. Oh, and have a Barkov.

Everyone who wins a cup shows that there is only "one way" to do it, until the next cup winner does it differently.

Vegas won a cup with a very different type of team than Colorado the year prior.

With that said, I don't think Rangers get anywhere by just adding speed/skill at this point.

 

[McRanger92]

If the Kings can trade PLDouche with 7 years left, the Rangers can trade Trouba with 2 years left.

 

[bbny]

The bottom 6 struggled to produce. Goodrow out is a good start, but I'd continue the remodel.

Vesey would probably net you a higher pick than you might think from a cap strapped contender. I'd move him and cash in that ticket. I like him, but we don't need him.

I like Cuylle, and I see he's popular to just pencil back into the 3rd line, but I don't think he should be. 5 points in his last 43 games played. He can grow into a larger role over time, but the Rangers should stop playing players above their current station. Look at what playing Lindgren above his station on the top pairing has done to public perception. Also, Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe could be an absolute banger of a 4th line.

 

[McRanger92]

The bottom 6 struggled to produce. Goodrow out is a good start, but I'd continue the remodel.

Vesey would probably net you a higher pick than you might think from a cap strapped contender. I'd move him and cash in that ticket. I like him, but we don't need him.

I like Cuylle, and I see he's popular to just pencil back into the 3rd line, but I don't think he should be. 5 points in his last 43 games played. He can grow into a larger role over time, but the Rangers should stop playing players above their current station. Look at what playing Lindgren above his station on the top pairing has done to public perception. Also, Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe could be an absolute banger of a 4th line.

Kakko out would be another step in the right direction from a production standpoint. One of Chytil/Trocheck will be on the 3rd line next year so that will help as well.

 

[bernmeister]

The bottom 6 struggled to produce. Goodrow out is a good start, but I'd continue the remodel.

Vesey would probably net you a higher pick than you might think from a cap strapped contender. I'd move him and cash in that ticket. I like him, but we don't need him.

I like Cuylle, and I see he's popular to just pencil back into the 3rd line, but I don't think he should be. 5 points in his last 43 games played. He can grow into a larger role over time, but the Rangers should stop playing players above their current station. Look at what playing Lindgren above his station on the top pairing has done to public perception. Also, Cuylle-Edstrom-Rempe could be an absolute banger of a 4th line.

bold = agree

3rd line pls Cuyl - Chyi - KK

Eds - Rem make 4th of a banger, regardless

 

[surlysailor]

Kakko out would be another step in the right direction from a production standpoint. One of Chytil/Trocheck will be on the 3rd line next year so that will help as well.

Kk had a horrible year offensively but he’s also just one year removed from a 40 pt season, with a vast majority of those point coming 5v5. He’s 100% not a fit kz because it forces z to try and be the playmaker instead of the shoot first c. If kk can get back to being a 40pt 3rw or even 30 points while having his defensive impact it’s gonna be hard to replace that for less than 2.4 mil. Also if chytil can stay healthy I wouldn’t be surprised if he can contribute more offensively compared to playing with brodz/wennberg.

Yes you would like more offense from a 2nd overall pick but in his worse season ppg. The closest cap hit and comp wise is probably Jesper Fast who had the same exact points in more games than KK.

 

[McRanger92]

Kk had a horrible year offensively but he’s also just one year removed from a 40 pt season, with a vast majority of those point coming 5v5. He’s 100% not a fit kz because it forces z to try and be the playmaker instead of the shoot first c. If kk can get back to being a 40pt 3rw or even 30 points while having his defensive impact it’s gonna be hard to replace that for less than 2.4 mil. Also if chytil can stay healthy I wouldn’t be surprised if he can contribute more offensively compared to playing with brodz/wennberg.

Vesebone puts up ~30 points with no PP time for the league minimum. Just saying. Blake Wheelchair outscored Kakko in 13 less games played.

Kakko isnt done as an NHL player once he's gone or anything but his contributions to the teams success are being vastly overinflanted.

 

[bbny]

bold = agree

3rd line pls Cuyl - Chyi - KK

Eds - Rem make 4th of a banger, regardless

Too many question marks for a 3rd line in my opinion. Can Cuylle produce? Can Chytil stay healthy? Can Kakko produce?

If I were betting, I do think it will be Chytil and Kakko on the line. Last time Kakko looked comfortable being a positive on ice was with Chytil. I think they need to find a good wing who can help elevate that line offensively. That's not Cuylle right now.